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    Is the 2018 W213 Mercedes-AMG E63 S really much of an improvement versus the competition? Test numbers

    The new W213 generation E63 is a hell of a sedan, don't get BenzBoost wrong. The twin scroll M177 V8 offering over 600 horsepower out of the box makes for a potent powerplant. However, wasn't Audi already doing this?

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    The new E63 is the acceleration champ off the showroom floor (until the F90 M5 is tested):

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    However, notice the Audi RS7 Performance is right there with it. The Performance model is just the same RS7 that has existed since the previous generation E63 hit the streets with a tune and a warranty from Audi.

    Speaking of tunes, the RS7 is ahead of the W213 E63 AMG tune only. Tune only examples have run 10.4 @ 132 in the 1/4 mile. The new E63 has a best run of 10.6 @ 130 with a tune.

    If you look at it as Mercedes-AMG coming to market later with a similar top mount twin scroll 4.0 liter twin turbo V8 and trailing an Audi that was already on the market since the 2013 model year what exactly is the E63 bringing to the table that is new?

    Well, they threw in a drift mode so that is cool and the styling inside and out is spectacular. The handling of the E63 is indeed better at least as far as grip is concerned as is the braking:

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    In pure performance terms though? The E63 is just as heavy as the RS7, has very similar engine architecture, and is not as strong with a tune as an Audi that has been on the market since the W212 generation E63.

    The new E63 is a great car it just is a shame Mercedes-AMG is not differentiating it in a greater way from a five year old rival that offers more bang for the buck.

    This new generation of sport sedans is getting boring.

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    With such crazy performance gains over the last decade, the point of diminishing returns had to be reached eventually. Perhaps this is a sign of we've gotten there.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
    With such crazy performance gains over the last decade, the point of diminishing returns had to be reached eventually. Perhaps this is a sign of we've gotten there.
    I don't think so as Audi honestly offered more out of the box years ago.

    It's disappointing AMG didn't set out to top them stock and tuned.

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    The e63s lapped a 2:55 at C/D lightning lap vs the RS7's 3:03 that's a huge difference. The F90 should easily take the straight line crown especially tuned/top end. Its probably going to take e-motor assist to jump to the next level of performance for this segment.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    The e63s lapped a 2:55 at C/D lightning lap vs the RS7's 3:03 that's a huge difference. The F90 should easily take the straight line crown especially tuned/top end. Its probably going to take e-motor assist to jump to the next level of performance for this segment.
    Dropping 500 pounds would help more than anything else.

    The E63 is a better handler than the rs7 but the M5 will top it there too... Plus new Audi's are coming.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky2 Click here to enlarge
    Dropping 500 pounds would help more than anything else.

    The E63 is a better handler than the rs7 but the M5 will top it there too... Plus new Audi's are coming.
    Agreed 4500+ pounds is mid size suv territory but it seems to be handling it as well as possible for a boat. Iím curious to see what the F90 does handling wise the subjective reviews are saying the e63s feels sharper/on edge. That doesnít mean much for lap times just interesting to see how they have flipped scripts with the M5 being softer/better ride with the bigger motor and less responsive transmission.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    and less responsive transmission.
    I lost a lot of respect for BMW with that move not that I had much left to lose.

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    That 8 second lightning lap difference is an eternity, also, sit in an RS7...embarassing for the price, honestly. I always thought the A7 had a $#@!e interior, and it's a good thing it's getting replaced now because just like the S-Class, the E easily sets the standard in the segment.

    Finally had the chance to see the M5 up close last weekend, still unsure about the styling but overall I like it. Interior also looks great there. CTS-V can't even begin to enter into that discussion, sat in one of those right after, it's not bad but it was behind even the F10 and W212, so, it's got some catching up to do there.

    The old RS7 was quick but the handling was abysmal...numb, tons of understeer, lots of body roll, just a mess around a track. And...again...that interior. But I do think the last generation was when we were going to see all the insane straight-line speed gains...now things will be more incremental going forward once again, which is fine. The M5 might end up being the quickest, fastest and best-handling given its massive weight advantage over the others and the fact that BMW just naturally favors that balance, even now.

    The M5 gearbox is disappointing, although it's better than the CTS-V's, way better shift speeds and sharper. Audi uses the same gearbox, and I think this time around MB wins - 9 speeds, multiplate wet clutch that gives you the best of both worlds. Still can't believe someone else hasn't jumped on that, they must have it patented to hell and back.

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