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    Official - The 2018 Mercedes-AMG E63 / S with 603 horsepower M177 V8 and 4Matic all wheel drive

    Well, Mercedes-AMG finally revealed the real thing ahead of the LA Auto Show. Everything is as expected with a tweaked M177 4.0 liter V8 providing 603 horsepower and 627 lb-ft of torque in E63 S trim. This is the most powerful iteration of the M177/M178 4.0 liter V8 architecture.

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    It is even more power and torque than the AMG GT R sees. Why? Because the competition is over 600 horsepower from 4.0 liters of displacement and the new E63 is going to be very heavy with standard all wheel drive. It likely also means greater gains with an ECU tune. Yes, manufacturers pay attention to this and know in the turbo era this matters.

    Will it be any lighter than the current generation W212 E63 AMG S 4Matic which weighs just over 4500 pounds? We will see. It's hard to trust weight claim figures from any German manufacturer as they continue to exaggerate weight loss figures.

    The bottom line is the next generation mid-size luxury performance sedan battle will be the most boring of all time. Everyone will have all drive and everyone will have a twin turbo direct injected V8 in the same displacement range with the same turbo layout. Only Cadillac might provide a significant alternative that breaks from this recipe.

    How will this play out? BMW will likely win if they offer all wheel drive and a dual clutch transmission with a 4.4 liter S63TU V8 on the next generation M5. Audi and Mercedes-AMG are not offering dual clutch transmissions with their top offerings. That means BMW is poised to build a German four-door GTR. Porsche is the wildcard with the new Panamera.

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    So much want. And pretty unique that you can completely disable AWD. Not sure if you will be able to drive around in 'drift mode' or only good for the occasional burn out. Will be interesting to see what the new M5 brings to the table.

    Really curious about the upgraded turbo chargers. An extra 100 HP from bolt ons would bring this car damn close to 3 secs on the 0-60 sprint. Madness.

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    Some live action:

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KEMA Click here to enlarge
    They definitely get that tail to hang out. Doesn't look to be some understeering pig.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    They definitely get that tail to hang out. Doesn't look to be some understeering pig.
    It's a function of the 4Matic+ system, they have a drift mode that can send 100% of power to the rear.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AMGAffalterbach Click here to enlarge
    It's a function of the 4Matic+ system, they have a drift mode that can send 100% of power to the rear.
    Drift mode is kind of a trendy thing now after the Focus RS but if you can indeed send 100% to the rear wheels that will have a few uses such as in roll races as well a in dyno'ing to the rear wheels.
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    yes confirmed in race mode u can send 100% to rear for all runs. It is also twin scroll!Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Drift mode is kind of a trendy thing now after the Focus RS but if you can indeed send 100% to the rear wheels that will have a few uses such as in roll races as well a in dyno'ing to the rear wheels.
    Once drift mode is activated by pulling both paddles, the car stays full rear-wheel-drive until driver turns off drift mode. It is 100% rear biased in drift mode.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
    Once drift mode is activated by pulling both paddles, the car stays full rear-wheel-drive until driver turns off drift mode. It is 100% rear biased in drift mode.
    That's awesome.
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    Now this is exciting.

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    Hopefully they will be bringing the wagon version here soon.

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    Nice, but I still wish it had the 5.5L twin turbo engine. As far as mod and power potential goes, you're going to make more power with the bigger motor. In stock form power-wise, there is not that much of a difference. When you start modding, 4L TT vs 5.5L TT is a big difference.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Batman Click here to enlarge
    Nice, but I still wish it had the 5.5L twin turbo engine.
    Why?

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    As far as mod and power potential goes, you're going to make more power with the bigger motor.
    Flawed/outdated thinking.

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    When you start modding, 4L TT vs 5.5L TT is a big difference.
    Incorrect.
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