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      Nth Moto is regarded highly as they have some absolutely epic Viper builds. From insane naturally aspirated to twin turbo Gen V Vipers they can build you an epic ride. They also tend to be along the lines of, if you have to ask, you can't afford it.


      All does not appear as it seems as Anthony Taylor has a hell of an Nth Moto horror story:

      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Taylor
      As some of you know it's been nothing, but a nightmare with my Lamborghini the last two years. I really didn't want it to come to this point, but Nth Moto has left me no choice. Here's my story of THE worst experience of my life. **AVOID NTH MOTO!!!**

      Brief Overview:
      Nth Moto orchestrated and middle-manned the sale of the TT Lamborghini Superleggera to me, which I later found out that it was because the prior owner had threatened to sue them due to the car/build not performing as promised. This was not disclosed to me! If I had known I would never have bought someone else's headache.
      I've paid over $300k now and wasted 2 plus years of racing time. I've been to 4 events and 3 of them the car was broken off the trailer!
      I was told the car is,"Race Ready, 230-240 Capable, Needs Nothing, Perfect Condition", All of which were flat out LIES!
      I've paid over $300k for a car that doesn't perform at all and I can't sell!

      During ownership of my Porsche I was pointed in the direction of the shop Nth Moto by a friend who had some serious cars. I was impressed and wow'ed by the fabrication work at first glance. I flew out to visit the Nth Moto shop in the fall of 2015 for a weekend trip. I was there to discuss building a Gen V. When I returned home we continued talks on pricing for the Gen V build I wanted to do. I told Nth Moto that I wasn't comfortable moving forward on another build until I put my Porsche up for sale and it sold. I then posted the Porsche for sale. During this time Nth Moto offered the Lamborghini for sale to two of my friends for the price of 300k. One of them agreed to move forward then changed their mind as they had second thoughts on getting back into the big power car world. I then was approached by Aaron Miller of Nth Moto about purchasing the car for 250k. I thought to myself, “well I always loved certain aspects of how this car looked, but It never performed or ran a successful event". Nth Moto quickly put my concerns at rest by telling me "the car is 230-240 Capable, Race Ready, Perfect Condition, Needs Nothing", all of which were a flat out LIE! I didn't question anything that he said as I trusted these guys. Aaron said the owner of the Lambo would require a deposit with a commitment of 30 days to follow through with the purchase. I told him I wasn't comfortable putting up a 20k non-refundable deposit in case my car doesn't sell. He said Nth Moto as a shop would put it up as they were confident they could sell my Porsche within 30 days. As the 30 day deadline was looming closer I felt horrible that these guys would lose their deposit. I scraped the $250k together for the purchase of the car without my Porsche selling. I gave Aaron the money and paid for him and the other co-owner Devin to fly out to the seller and inspect the car. The instructions were to only hand over the funds if the car was in perfect condition. They handed over the funds and informed me it was perfect.

      When the car got back to Nth Moto I flew up again to check out the car. Aaron suggested we do a compressor wheel upgrade to the car. I said sure no problem and paid for the change. The first event was in 3 months at the Pikes Peak half mile event in Colorado Springs. I decided to leave the car with Nth Moto until then.

      Now at the Pikes Peak Half-Mile event I had my first pass in the car. The turbos wouldn't spool up until a good half way down the track. Towards the end of the run the car made a horrible noise that we had no idea where it was coming from. The car was also super hard to push and move around the pit area. After a few 180-190mph passes we Called it a day as there was something obviously wrong with the car. What a waste of a weekend, Between my flight, my fiancé's, friends, transport, hotel, rental car, time away from work and I also paid for Aarons flight, hotel, and food for the event a ton of money was wasted. Definitely a let down for a car that was sold to me as perfect, race ready, and capable. I couldn't believe how a shop could let a car sit there for 3 months and allow it to come to an event broken.

      The car went back to Nth Moto to get repaired and prepped for the Indiana Half-Mile event. Nth Moto informed me that a CV boot was damaged hence why the car was hard to move around. The noise was supposedly from a bearing in the oil pan area. He replaced it with a new bearing. He also told me that we should move to smaller turbine housings so the car will spool up better. I said ok move forward with the upgrade so its done prior to the Indiana event. Two days before the car was supposed to leave for the half mile he calls me and says we just noticed the driveshaft is broke and we need to build a custom bracket to support the AWD upgrade on the car. I give him the green light and tell him to get It done. He overnights the drive shaft to DSS on my dime. DSS was amazing and overnighted it back to us with delivery one day prior to the event. Aaron put it in trackside while we had the track to ourselves that day. After the drive shaft went in we went to drive up and down the airstrip to see if the noise was gone. Unfortunately the noise was still there and I was ready to lose it. Two events in a row now the car has come to an event broken. I was told I was buying a race ready car that needed nothing. I tried to not let it bother me as I was already there and tried to make the best of the weekend. He gave my fiancé a ride on low boost for a few gears and we called it a day. The next day we went to the track for race day and on the first pass the car had a shift issue in the ECU from poor shift cut timing. During the pass I heard metal grinding during the shift and let out. I came back to the pits and told Aaron, so he made his adjustments and sent me back out. The next pass the car felt solid until the top of 4th gear, it fell flat on its face. I stayed in the last gear just so I could show a decent time for the nightmare I've endured so far. When I get back to the pits we noticed coolant under the car. I asked Aaron what happened, he said he forgot to put fuel in the car. I couldn't believe it!! I have him here for trackside support and cover his costs and he forgets to put fuel in the car, so thats a wrap for the weekend. I didn't know how to read the fuel gauge on the race dash as the car doesn't have an OEM dash.

      The car goes back to Nth Moto and gets diagnosed. They tell me the noise is now from a damaged ring and pinion from day 1, the trans needs $3,500 in repair work as well , and the top end needs a rebuild. The only good news is that they said they did a leak down, compression test, and scoped the bottom end and everything looks great. I tell them to move forward with the repair. They didn't offer to cover the fix, which they should of because it was there fault. I get the bill and pay it without a fight.

      The car then went to SEMA and back to Nth Moto for the 2017 race season prep. Nth Moto suggested we get the car on the dyno to dial in the current setup. They billed me $1,370 all in for the dyno session. I agreed and told them to move forward. First run on the dyno the mechanical pump cable snapped and the dyno session was over with.

      I reached a deal with American Ethanol as a brand ambassador for the 2017 race season. We decided to go to the Texas Invitational as the first event for 2017. Nth Moto informed me that they would no longer support me if I didn't pay them to add an intercooler to my car so it runs strictly ethanol. We would also need a redesign of the turbo system (Smaller Turbos). It ran Ethanol in one tank and Methanol in the other for cooling prior to this. Nth Moto told me they wanted $25,700 and I have to provide the turbos as well, I was shocked and outraged by the pricing. They told me this is a race team price and I should be happy to get a deal like this. I told him I don't want to pay that price and he said you have to be at TI per your contract so you have no choice. I regretfully said ok do it and I paid the bill once again.

      The car arrived at Texas Invitational in October. I had a few low boost test passes prior to race day to get acquainted with the new set up. The following day we ran a 187mph pass off the trailer. When I went up for the 2nd pass the steering wheel was shaking and I noticed the car felt odd. I chose to make another pass anyway and the brakes locked bad on the pass and almost made me crash. Turns out when I got back to the pit area a wheel bearing supposedly failed and the axle broke as well. The weekend was over and back to Nth Moto the car went.

      I received an 18 hour bill to repair the wheel bearing/axle/and race prep for the next event for next month. I also got a bill for $2,085 for track side support LOL. I paid them both.

      We arrived at the next event Wannagofast Half-Mile in Dallas, TX. I'm to the point now where I actually hate racing. It's probably been the worst possible 2 years it could have ever been. The car comes off the trailer and I hop in to make a shakedown pass. The car never made it out of first gear on that pass. The ECU cut power and I slowly made my way back to the pit. Aaron looked at the log and informed me the cable had snapped again. This was the final straw. He tells me I should have bought a spare. I tell him its not the cable it's a design flaw, this is the second cable within a few passes that failed. After a few hours I leave the track. I was so disgusted on day 2 that I didn't even go back to the track. Over $8,000 wasted this weekend with Zero passes to show for it. $1,385 of which was billed for trackside support again LOL...

      The car gets back to Nth Moto and Aaron is now telling me maybe we should look at redesign costs and ideas for the mechanical setup. I've had It at this point and send him a 5 paragraph email about how horrible this has been. I told him I'm selling the car and I'm done. I tell him to fix the pump design so it works well for the new owner as well as a new cable.

      I post the car for sale and get zero interested buyers. I'm not surprised, even though I've fixed everything that has broken. Majority of the people out there know how much of a nightmare I've had with Nth Moto. I call Aaron up and ask him if he has found any potential buyers for me, I even offered him a commission of $10,000+. He told me nobody is interested on his end because the car never did anything and that he won't help sell it because it doesn't make the power I posted (He told me it made 2200whp) and says the motor needs a refresh. I ask him why as we only have less than a handful of passes at events and only 1 of them 200mph plus. He says well that was our plan all along a year ago. I told him yeah we thought we would have made 20+ passes at 230mph plus. He told me he bandaided the motor to get me through the two following events after Indiana. I was shocked because of two things. 1) He said the motor was fine per his email saying he compression and scope test. 2) How could he send a customer to events with a bad motor? What if it blew up and I crashed? I was in shock. I couldn't sell a car like this. I would never screw someone over like Nth Moto did to me. It doesn't matter how much I lose, I wasn't raised like that.

      I called another Lamborghini shop and explained everything that happened. They were very understanding and were willing to help out. They have been a class act to deal with thus far! I had the car picked up and shipped to the other Lamborghni shop as fast as I could. When the car got there they took some quick pics of the work underneath the car. I couldn't believe the poor (Understatement) work that Nth Moto had performed. Now it all made sense why the car never ran one pass without breaking. I called Aaron to speak with him about this and asked him to make it right. Our talks never got anywhere as it was clear he didn't want to help. He told me the cars goes A to B and that's that. I stressed to him that he sold me on a car that doesn't run/perform anywhere close to what I was promised. I have one 200mph pass in 2 years! Not only have I wasted two years of racing with this shop, but over $300k+ for a car that has issue after issue! I asked him to buy it back at a reasonable price, which has me eating $75k or pay UGR to make it run how it was supposed to from day 1. He declined both of those and also told me be careful if I post as I supposedly signed a Non-Disclosure.

      I also got in-touch with the prior owner and they said they were going to sue Nth Moto if they didn't sell the car within 30 days. It makes sense why Nth Moto didn't involve me with the car purchase now. Nth had 30 days to move it and they found me to dump it on. I also found out recently from another Nth Moto customer that the morning at Wannagofast Dallas that my car had a hard time starting that morning and smelled of oil very very bad. Aaron replied to him yeah we are hoping to make it through today. Why wasn't I informed of this before the race? Maybe the cable snapping pre race saved me that day??

      I hope that nobody ever has to go through what I went through. I've wasted over $300,000 with this horrible shop. I treated them like family, paid for there company tent, provided a race trailer, chairs, coolers, ramps, generators, food, rental cars, hotel, list goes on! I've given them countless chances to make it right. Whatever you do AVOID Nth Moto before you end up in the same position that I'm in. If you speak to other Nth Moto customers they will tell you there horrible experience as well. Why do you think multiple other Nth Moto cars are for sale? If you want a good running car that works as promised go to another performance shop!! These guys are the biggest crooks and liars in the industry.

      Full Tear Down with Pictures to Come...Stay Tuned!!!! PLEASE SHARE
      Basically he was told about an Nth Moto built twin turbo Lambo for sale but the car was not what they portrayed it as.

      He has problems with it and it just doesn't do what it is supposed to do. There is issue after issue. He keeps having to pay out of pocket to fix it but things just keep getting worse.

      Eventually he tries to sell it but nobody is interested. Nth Moto then tells him he needs an engine rebuild.

      Nth Moto apparently pushed the car to sell because the previous buyer told them either they sell it or he sues.

      Now Anthony is stuck with it and Nth Moto.

      Nth Moto dumped the problem car and now is trying to wash their hands of it. This type of situation shows the true character of a tuner.

      Hopefully this gets resolved amicably but we have seen enough of these situations that we know usually it is the buyer who ends up screwed and the tuner just keeps right on going.


































      This article was originally published in forum thread: Nth Moto Lamborghini Superleggera twin turbo build horror story started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 18 Comments
      1. 0-60Motorsports's Avatar
        0-60Motorsports -
        Wow what a horrible story. I hope he sues them and gets his money back.
      1. 93siro's Avatar
        93siro -
        Interested to hear the other side of this sad situation.
      1. BLKROKT's Avatar
        BLKROKT -
        What a comedy of errors. You shouldn’t be playing in the “high hp car world” if you know dick about cars. Looking under the car or popping the rear hatch once or twice would have told him everything he needed to know. Instead a repetitive pattern of “they screwed up bad so I’m going to send them more money” was the best answer he could come up with? Just another case of more money than brains, nothing to see here.
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        i didn't read this yet but i can't fathom why someone with the coin for one of these builds wouldn't go to
        1)ugr
        2)heffner
        3)dallas performance

        they all have these cars well sorted at this point, why experiment???
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        i didn't read this yet but i can't fathom why someone with the coin for one of these builds wouldn't go to
        1)ugr
        2)heffner
        3)dallas performance

        they all have these cars well sorted at this point, why experiment???
        Nth Moto has some spectacular Viper builds...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        What a comedy of errors. You shouldn’t be playing in the “high hp car world” if you know dick about cars. Looking under the car or popping the rear hatch once or twice would have told him everything he needed to know. Instead a repetitive pattern of “they screwed up bad so I’m going to send them more money” was the best answer he could come up with? Just another case of more money than brains, nothing to see here.
        They strung him along... he was fed BS.
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        i agree and they are well known for being top notch at that and I'm sure they are more than capable of bolting in a premade turbo kit to any car in the world, but in this case they had to fabricate and test as they go, not worth it imo
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        This hasn't really been a secret, as he never got to race the Nth Moto Lambo since he picked it up, but confusingly kept hyping up their shop and the build as it progressed. Then out of the blue he put on IG that he was sending a car off to UGR.

        I'm also very interested in Nth Moto's side of the story, particularly because Anthony has unintentionally built up a relationship of a guy who builds and flips cars, but never really comments on whether he enjoyed them. Same thing with his EVOMS 997, just kept building it until he listed it for sale. Then it was the Nth Moto Lambo, and more recently he grabbed a 997 GT2 that now BBi is working on.

        Unfortunate, but you can't really trust anybody.
      1. BLKROKT's Avatar
        BLKROKT -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        They strung him along... he was fed BS.
        No. Wrong. Someone who was pressured to build, then offered a car at a discount that the shop had been trying to offload on anyone who would listen, then had to “scrape together” $250k because they felt bad that the shop was on the hook for a rather immaterial sum, then took that shops word that the car was totally perfect sight unseen without getting some sort of independent verification/inspection or doing even the slightest due diligence by speaking to the owner, then continued to send money without looking under the hood or having someone who knows anything about cars take a look, etc etc etc. Are you kidding me? This guy practically set himself up to get scammed, if in fact he did. None of it even remotely adds up or makes any sense to people who actually value their time and money or are into this hobby. Zero common sense at a minimum.
      1. ///M3THOD's Avatar
        ///M3THOD -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        No. Wrong. Someone who was pressured to build, then offered a car at a discount that the shop had been trying to offload on anyone who would listen, then had to “scrape together” $250k because they felt bad that the shop was on the hook for a rather immaterial sum, then took that shops word that the car was totally perfect sight unseen without getting some sort of independent verification/inspection or doing even the slightest due diligence by speaking to the owner, then continued to send money without looking under the hood or having someone who knows anything about cars take a look, etc etc etc. Are you kidding me? This guy practically set himself up to get scammed, if in fact he did. None of it even remotely adds up or makes any sense to people who actually value their time and money or are into this hobby. Zero common sense at a minimum.
        Regardless of his stupidity or lack of common sense, the way the shop took advantage of him is what I think the intended take away is here.

        I don't understand how shops can do stuff like this and get away with it.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ///M3THOD Click here to enlarge
        I don't understand how shops can do stuff like this and get away with it.
        Happens all the time.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        No. Wrong.
        How is it wrong? If they up front about why the car was being moved and what the previous owner said he would never have bought it.

        Would you buy a car the owner threatens to sue over if not sold? The owner wanted out and they passed the problem on instead of fixing it to begin with.

        You're blaming him but he was sold something that was portrayed completely different as to the reality of the situation.
      1. nait's Avatar
        nait -
        Really sad story. It would have been a good idea to get a proper inspection of the vehicle before the purchase especially for that kind of money.
      1. Yumaverick's Avatar
        Yumaverick -
        Hey Guys,

        Nth Moto and I resolved our issues. Can you please remove the story.

        As many of you have noticed, I’ve taken down my recent posts I made about Nth Moto.


        I wanted to take a minute to say that Nth Moto and I have come to a satisfactory agreement to resolve the issues regarding the Lamborghini and am happy with Nth Moto’s professionalism in resolving this matter. Aaron and I both wish things would have been handled differently.



        Thank you,
        Anthony Taylor
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yumaverick Click here to enlarge
        Can you please remove the story.
        Absolutely not.
      1. 93siro's Avatar
        93siro -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Absolutely not.
        Way to go.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 93siro Click here to enlarge
        Way to go.
        These guys write up their horror stories and then try to get every blog in the world to host it and when we do and it helps them get resolution they then want us to take it down for them as well.

        $#@! that. This should serve as a warning.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        +1 Agree. It's incredibly misleading when people post things are great and headache free, but then out of the blue some horror story about how its been frustrating the past months/years and they've wished getting in bed with shop "x" from day 1.