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    • The 2018 Mercedes-AMG W213 E63 S goes Head 2 Head against the 2017 Cadillac CTS-V

      Before we even begin let's point out the Cadillac CTS-V deserves huge props. Why? Because it is offering something unique in an increasingly bland segment. Yes, yes, the new BMW M5, E63, Panamera Turbo, and Audi RS7 are all faster and more powerful than their predecessors.


      They all are also basically the same exact thing. Big, heavy, all wheel drive sedans with 4.0 - 4.4 liter top mount twin scroll turbocharged V8's.

      Cadillac offers the biggest V8 in the class at 6.2 liters and sticks to rear wheel drive. They supercharge their motor for a very different power delivery. It is also the lightest of the bunch at 4108 pounds:


      You could argue (successfully) the throttle response, balance, and configuration of the CTS-V make it more of an M5 than BMW's own new M5.

      Ok, so how do the CTS-V and E63 S compare around the figure 8? Both pull .88 g but the E63 pulls through quicker.

      What about straightline performance?

      0-60:
      E63 3.2
      CTS-V 3.8

      1/4 mile:
      E63 11.3 @ 124.2
      CTS-V 11.9 @ 122.0

      If you put a premium on the straightline aspect, the E63 wins. All wheel drive allows the torque to be put down much more easily. If stoplights are your thing, it is no contest. Do not forget the CTS-V can make much more power much more easily thanks to sharing the C7 Z06 aftermarket.

      So what about the subjective points? The CTS-V is said to feel much lighter obviously and very well composed. Traction off the line does not determine the better car to drive once moving. The CTS-V chassis is playful and easy to control.

      The E63 S is more of a brute. It just eats up tarmac. Not that it does not handle well because it certainly does. The main complaint is how the E63 brakes. The Mercedes-AMG pedal feel just is not as good.

      So which is quicker around the track? The CTS-V but it's oh so close:


      You can tell the CTS-V is better in the turns but the all wheel drive traction and outright muscle of the E63 S almost puts it ahead of the CTS-V as it ran it down on the final straight.

      Overall, the CTS-V is the driver's choice here. It also offers an incredible value when looking at the as tested prices. You can not go wrong with the E63 S but Cadillac deserves the win and praise for not just doing what everyone else is and producing a sedan that truly emphasizes sporty driving.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: The 2018 Mercedes-AMG W213 E63 S goes Head 2 Head against the 2017 Cadillac CTS-V started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 5 Comments
      1. SpeedLimit?'s Avatar
        SpeedLimit? -
        The best part is the lap at the end where they're so close you can see exactly where each one is stronger. The E63 needed maybe 100ft extra to pull ahead at the end.
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        $50,000 gap in as tested pricing? Loaded cts-v plus a $50,000 toy of your choosing next to it in the garage is the route I'd go.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        $50,000 gap in as tested pricing? Loaded cts-v plus a $50,000 toy of your choosing next to it in the garage is the route I'd go.
        It's hard to swallow buying either one new.

        AMG's tank hard...
      1. leveraged sellout's Avatar
        leveraged sellout -
        Just watched this a few hours ago, great to see Jethro working with MT, although he’s certainly a step above anyone else they’ve ever hired recently, one might say MT might constrain him.

        Since launch it’s been clear that at least in terms of engineering, the CTS-V is nearly perfect. I’ve never heard anything but praise for the way it drives, especially around a track. However, it’s quite far behind (as tends to be the case) in terms of luxury, tech, interior, etc. And that’s one of the primary differentiator for these cars vs. something smaller or cheaper, not just the performance. The new E Class is such a quantum leap for this segment, just like the S-Class was when it was launched in 2013, everything else is just sort of...inadequate. Even the new 5 series seems to be a bit behind, as the new 7 is vs. the S. MB is just on another level from everyone else, and it shows. And to boot, their cars are even reliable now. Their slogan is in full effect, it seems.

        This E63 has the Edition One package, you can tell by the stitching & the paint and a few other things. You can buy an almost fully-loaded car for about 135k or so, still a lot more than the CTS-V but closer than this particular example is for what it’s worth. The E63 and CTS-V will probably be worth about the same after 12 months & 24 months, but after that the CTS will probably continue to fall more sharply. In perctange terms the AMG will beat you up badly but if you can afford it...eff it. It’s defintely worth the extra money, I think. The CTS will be easy to get more power out of, but I think we’re already seeing the AMG is too. And, the gearbox in the AMG seems to be light years ahead. I was always laughing out loud when GM tried to claim that this particular implementation of the ZF 8 speed would be “better than PDK” - not a hope in hell. It’s not even close, it just physically cannot be. You can even hear that it’s slower in the new M5 vs. the old DCT...moving to a torque converter just forces you to give up that razor-sharp response.

        Overall, the V is the better deal, but I’ve heard from some who own them and “regular” CTSs (which have the same interior basically) that some trim is already showing its age and wearing heavily. That’s just unacceptable in a six-figure car, especially when it starts off barely keeping up with the rest of the segment. Sure, it’s cheaper. And the money is well spent on the drivetrain, chassis, brakes, and general level of engineering. But you don’t buy this car to hot-lap around Big Willow...you buy it to drive every day for 3-5 years, or more. And as always, the MB is just better at that. It’s an 8/10ths scale S63, and that’s about as good as anyone can ask for in regards to a car that you can buy for anything like “reasonable” money.
      1. RobNyc's Avatar
        RobNyc -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        $50,000 gap in as tested pricing? Loaded cts-v plus a $50,000 toy of your choosing next to it in the garage is the route I'd go.
        Same hurrr