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    • Drag and roll races between the Merecedes-AMG C190 AMG GT R and the Nissan GT-R

      For some reason Carwow keeps getting awesome cars to test despite doing some of the crappiest tests in the automotive world. Let's just focus on the cars here as there is some serious hardware present in the Mercedes-AMG GT R.


      Now, if you buy a GT R to drag race or straightline race with you completely missed the point. Not that the car can not do that well it just makes more sense to get a standard GT for less money and tune it. Why bother straightline racing a car built with extra downforce specifically for the roadcourse?

      The roadcourse is where the GT R shines and it is one of the best automotive buys in the world in that respect.

      The GT R on the other hand makes a lot of sense as a straightline platform but it can hold its own on the roadcourse despite its age. Just not against the lighter and more nimble AMG GT R.

      The way this race should go down is the Nissan gets a jump thanks to AWD and the GT R runs it down. That is what happens.

      Which means from a roll the GT R should pull fairly easily. Indeed, it does.

      Carwow, please figure out what a trap speed is.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: Drag and roll races between the Merecedes-AMG C190 AMG GT R and the Nissan GT-R started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        The Nissan is showing itís age, itís a car from 2009 thatís been factory upgraded a few times....itís due for a full replacement and hopefully Nissan makes the R36 absolutely nutty. Cheers to AMG they finally got the true GTR.
      1. Blown6's Avatar
        Blown6 -
        The real GTR still comes from Nissan.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
        The real GTR still comes from Nissan.
        The one that is better to drive, lighter, and with the better engine design comes from AMG though.
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        It's actually a complement to the R35 GTR that you are even comparing a car designed prior to 2009 to a car that was designed half a decade later....What was AMG designing in 2008? Nothing even close in competition to the GTR that's for damn sure.

        There are high expectations for the R36 GTR now that the competition has finally caught up.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        What was AMG designing in 2008? Nothing even close in competition to the GTR that's for damn sure.
        You sure about that?

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        And before that...

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      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        Yes i'm sure the SLR was crap performance wise, look at its nurburgring time 7:40.... the Nissan GTR is 7:08....
        http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife

        And the CLK GTR doesnt count man, come on Click here to enlarge Also i doubt it was faster than the Nissan GTR either...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        Yes i'm sure the SLR was crap performance wise, look at its nurburgring time 7:40.... the Nissan GTR is 7:08....
        http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife
        Nissan cheats on the 'Ring. Furthermore, you can't compare times the way you are. The Nurburgring was repaved and has experienced changes since the SLR ran. Not to mention tires alone have come a long way.

        Do you really think the McLaren SLR can't compete? Come on.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        And the CLK GTR doesnt count man, come on
        You said AMG had not done anything. I'm pointing out they did quite a bit and were doing some serious racing before the R35 GTR ever existed.
      1. Blown6's Avatar
        Blown6 -
        The GTR upped the ante, sent all competitors ie 911 turbo , z06, and supercars back to the drawing board. Mercedes wasn’t even in the game at the time, the top guns were the Gtr and 911 turbo. Forward 10 years later, the Aftermarket has lifted the GTR to another level, dominating street 60-130mph times, the Germans again aren’t even in the game. Many including myself have called the GTR the king of the streets, and rightly so. Respect
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
        The GTR upped the ante, sent all competitors ie 911 turbo , z06, and supercars back to the drawing board. Mercedes wasn’t even in the game at the time, the top guns were the Gtr and 911 turbo.
        I'm not disagreeing but you said AMG wasn't doing anything and that's not true. They had higher performance stuff racing in much higher performance racing classes.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
        orward 10 years later, the Aftermarket has lifted the GTR to another level, dominating street 60-130mph times, the Germans again aren’t even in the game. Many including myself have called the GTR the king of the streets, and rightly so. Respect
        I respect it of course. I don't think it has a soul but I respect it.
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Nissan cheats on the 'Ring. Furthermore, you can't compare times the way you are. The Nurburgring was repaved and has experienced changes since the SLR ran. Not to mention tires alone have come a long way.

        Do you really think the McLaren SLR can't compete? Come on.



        You said AMG had not done anything. I'm pointing out they did quite a bit and were doing some serious racing before the R35 GTR ever existed.
        2009 vs 2009, the R35 GTR out performs the McLaren SLR

        I get your point, but I exclude the CLK GTR as it was a a race car first that Mercedes only made into a road car so they could race it. It is completely opposite to the way the GTR and SLR were designed and created. Also the car was like $1M back in 199whatever so way out of the ballpark for the comparison.

        Maybe I needed to specify a car less than $200K or 3X the GTR's cost in 2009....

        GTR upped the game period and that's good, but give credit where credit is due.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        I get your point, but I exclude the CLK GTR as it was a a race car first that Mercedes only made into a road car so they could race it.
        Yes and they did this well before the GTR came to market. More impressive IMO to design something like that.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        GTR upped the game period and that's good, but give credit where credit is due.
        You're not wrong. But AMG can wipe the floor with them and the AMG GT R is the better sports car for sure.
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Yes and they did this well before the GTR came to market. More impressive IMO to design something like that.



        You're not wrong. But AMG can wipe the floor with them and the AMG GT R is the better sports car for sure.
        wipe the floor? get real man the GTR Nismo which is nearly the same price as the AMG is still quicker on the Nurburgring. And before you say Nissan Cheats again you need to qualify your claims, I could say the same about AMG, it doesn't make it true.

        AMG is competitive now, yes I will admit, with a 6 year old Nissan platform, what a great job!

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      1. Blown6's Avatar
        Blown6 -
        The GTR platform is 10 years old and has set records around the ring and dominates all street 60-130mph as well as impressive stock-body 1/4mile times. Call it what you want, bit it is damn impressive
      1. Blown6's Avatar
        Blown6 -
        60-130 MPH Times


        60-130 MPH ET
        ET
        1/4 Mile
        ET
        1/4 Mile
        MPH
        1/8 Mile
        ET
        1/8 Mile
        MPH
        0-60 Foot
        ET
        Car Year Driver
        2.280 * 7.806 182.450 5.126 146.640 1.280 Nissan GT-R ETS Little Hero Super 99 2009 Extreme Turbo Systems
        2.506 * 7.438 185.000 4.850 156.000 1.160 Nissan Skyline R32 GTR 1987 Andrey Kravchenko
        2.590 * 7.818 183.150 5.145 146.500 1.268 Nissan GT-R ETS Little Hero Super 99 2010 ETS
        2.670 * 7.984 186.140 5.296 148.580 1.361 Nissan GT-R AMS ALPHA OMEGA 2009 Ivan Phipps
        2.860 * 8.116 173.210 5.316 142.240 1.410 Suzuki Hayabusa Supercharged Real Street 2004 Tom Federici




        Read more: http://dragtimes.com/vbox-60-130-tim...#ixzz5ESftO6i2
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        wipe the floor? get real man the GTR Nismo which is nearly the same price as the AMG is still quicker on the Nurburgring.
        Yes. Wipe. The. Floor.

        Who is F1 champ again?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        And before you say Nissan Cheats again you need to qualify your claims, I could say the same about AMG, it doesn't make it true.
        Nissan turned the boost up for Nurburgring runs back with the R33. Where have you been?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        AMG is competitive now, yes I will admit, with a 6 year old Nissan platform, what a great job!
        AMG doesn't build value cas and have a whole portfolio of vehicles Nissan can't compete with.

        Yes, the GTR is great. For a fat car with no soul it's awesome.

        The AMG GT R is on another level. BTW: https://www.boostaddict.com/content....Was-AMG-robbed
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        get real man the GTR Nismo which is nearly the same price as the AMG is still quicker on the Nurburgring.
        Not quicker when tested on the same day at the same time with the same driver: https://www.boostaddict.com/content....san-GT-R-Nismo

        And the Nismo is MORE money.

        So more money for an older, heavier, and slower platform? Wow awesome job Nissan.
      1. Blown6's Avatar
        Blown6 -
        It depends on the track . The Nismo is faster around Nuerburgring. The Nismo is heavier , has less grippy and narrower tyres, yet still manages a better time than the AMG. I actually think the Nissan GTR is from Outer Space, itís certainly on another playing level tuneability-wise, which is a big chunk about what is posted on these ĎBOOSTí forums.

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      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        Exactly, since when was this forum about stock cars?

        Pretty clear 99% of forum members modify their car and in the modified game, the AMG is not even mentioned, compared to the REAL GTR.

        The R36 cannot come soon enough...everyone gunning for the GTR. It's the ultimate comparison performance vehicle.

        They don't compare the AMG to as many cars as they compare to the GTR for a reason; It's just not a performance benchmark like the GTR is.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
        It depends on the track . The Nismo is faster around Nuerburgring.
        Only in Nissan's hands...

        I don't know why you don't get comparing Nurburgring times from manufacturers to independently tested times is vastly different.

        In every head to head comparison the Nismo loses. As it should.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        Exactly, since when was this forum about stock cars?
        It's about automotive performance. You don't have to tune to participate.