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    Sticky you should buy an AMG from my dealer lol

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Itsbrokeagain Click here to enlarge
    Sticky you should buy an AMG from my dealer lol
    I'm going to buy a new car at some point but right now I just want to research and understand this motor as I find it interesting.

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    Sticky, remember the SLS motor is a dry sump, there are some big advantages to a dry sump over a traditional oiling system. The dry sump alone is worth 10% in hp not to mention cooler operating temps. I am pretty sure that comes into play when you are talking about engine revs, rpm =heat
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
    Sticky, remember the SLS motor is a dry sump, there are some big advantages to a dry sump over a traditional oiling system. The dry sump alone is worth 10% in hp not to mention cooler operating temps. I am pretty sure that comes into play when you are talking about engine revs, rpm =heat
    Not to mention the SLS has two huge oil coolers on each side of the fender.

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    I would just stick to my 212 Bluetec Diesel...no funds to buy any AMG anyways LOL

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Itsbrokeagain Click here to enlarge
    Not to mention the SLS has two huge oil coolers on each side of the fender.
    A C 63 BS has about the same surface size oil coolers as the SLS if I am not mistaken.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
    Sticky, remember the SLS motor is a dry sump, there are some big advantages to a dry sump over a traditional oiling system. The dry sump alone is worth 10% in hp not to mention cooler operating temps. I am pretty sure that comes into play when you are talking about engine revs, rpm =heat
    It's a factor definitely but more of an issue under hard cornering. Still, yes, dry sump does offer a power benefit as well.

    But I think the power gain in the SLS Black Series comes from the cams, valvetrain, and new redline. So all I'm saying is can these parts go on the standard M159 to mimic the Black Series power output?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's a factor definitely but more of an issue under hard cornering. Still, yes, dry sump does offer a power benefit as well.

    But I think the power gain in the SLS Black Series comes from the cams, valvetrain, and new redline. So all I'm saying is can these parts go on the standard M159 to mimic the Black Series power output?
    My point was not really the power gains it is the cooling factor, reving a car an extra 800-1000 rpm is going to build some additional heat, the dry sump helps a little. My point is that you are asking about bolting up a M159 top end and I am sure the dry sump is part of the reason they can safely rev the motor to that rpm.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
    My point was not really the power gains it is the cooling factor, reving a car an extra 800-1000 rpm is going to build some additional heat, the dry sump helps a little
    Ok, they are both dry sump. I'm talking about the power gains...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
    My point is that you are asking about bolting up a M159 top end and I am sure the dry sump is part of the reason they can safely rev the motor to that rpm.
    The dry sump is necessary for the track abilities under hard cornering but the standard M159 is dry sump and doesn't rev as high. It's mostly the valvetrain and cams.

    Regardless, I'm not sure why we are getting OT here I'm just curious if Black Series parts will be more easily retrofitted with the M159.

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    Wish more info would come out of this ! MHP/Andy was a douche but one thing he did bring was real tech talk things like head flow/cam spec/primary size. Their is alot about the m156 that we dont know but if you go on mbworld 3/4 of the page is about bull$#@! carbon fiber pieces that have 20 page threads. I posted about my black series cooler retrofit and got 10 responses lol go figure.

    Sucks that their isnt any options out there for more N/A power like the domestics do. Something like Cams/Intake Manifold/Ported heads(at a decent price not 5K)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge

    Sucks that their isnt any options out there for more N/A power like the domestics do. Something like Cams/Intake Manifold/Ported heads(at a decent price not 5K)
    What more do you want?

    There's:
    - Headers
    - Race Exhust
    - Airbox modification
    - Power Pullies
    - Sport filters
    - ECU tuning
    - TCU tuning
    - Race Ported Heads
    - upgraded Cams
    - LSD diffrential


    You can get a NA M156 hitting 530-550rwhp in conjuction with race gas. Anything more than that and you have to supercharge it.

    So what could you possibly ask more in a NA setup?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    I think the issue with the cams is tuning for them. I think only Weistec did it successfully.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    What more do you want?

    There's:
    - Headers
    - Race Exhust
    - Airbox modification
    - Power Pullies
    - Sport filters
    - ECU tuning
    - TCU tuning
    - Race Ported Heads
    - upgraded Cams
    - LSD diffrential


    You can get a NA M156 hitting 530-550rwhp in conjuction with race gas. Anything more than that and you have to supercharge it.

    So what could you possibly ask more in a NA setup?
    I have

    MBH Headers w/ midpipes w/ catless x pipe
    Agency Power Valved Exhaust
    Carbonio CF Intake
    Evosport UD Pulley
    BMC Filters
    Eurocharge Software
    Quaife LSD

    No Heads/Cams though :-/ Who makes cams/heads for the m156 besides MHP/Andy?? Thats what im looking for

    Dont get me wrong the car is a beast i dynoed over 470whp before i did headers on the car so im guessing ill be around 500whp now which is great N/A but as you know its never enough Click here to enlarge

    Do the renntech throttle bodies provide any good gains? Can grab a used set for a low price might be worth it with ported heads

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    I have

    MBH Headers w/ midpipes w/ catless x pipe
    Agency Power Valved Exhaust
    Carbonio CF Intake
    Evosport UD Pulley
    BMC Filters
    Eurocharge Software
    Quaife LSD

    No Heads/Cams though :-/ Who makes cams/heads for the m156 besides MHP/Andy?? Thats what im looking for

    Dont get me wrong the car is a beast i dynoed over 470whp before i did headers on the car so im guessing ill be around 500whp now which is great N/A but as you know its never enough Click here to enlarge

    Do the renntech throttle bodies provide any good gains? Can grab a used set for a low price might be worth it with ported heads
    I think you could get the cams and heads from Weistec. They would hook you up on this I assume

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I think the issue with the cams is tuning for them. I think only Weistec did it successfully.

    didnt Eurocharged do this as well?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    I think you could get the cams and heads from Weistec. They would hook you up on this I assume
    I wasnt aware of weistec offering cams i dont see anything on their website. they do offer ported heads tho the price is pretty steep i might as well throw a blower on it. Just love me some N/A power through the rear wheels

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    I wasnt aware of weistec offering cams i dont see anything on their website. they do offer ported heads tho the price is pretty steep i might as well throw a blower on it. Just love me some N/A power through the rear wheels
    It doesnt also say on the website that they offer Cam tuning, but they do. Just call them.

    Heads are expensive even with MHP, but at least with weistec you get quality customer support

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    It doesnt also say on the website that they offer Cam tuning, but they do. Just call them.

    Heads are expensive even with MHP, but at least with weistec you get quality customer support
    Thanks for the help Click here to enlarge they already got back to me

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
    didnt Eurocharged do this as well?
    I don't know, @Jake@Eurocharged.com
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    I wasnt aware of weistec offering cams i dont see anything on their website. they do offer ported heads tho the price is pretty steep i might as well throw a blower on it. Just love me some N/A power through the rear wheels
    They don't offer cams but they have tuned them.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    They don't offer cams but they have tuned them.
    Heres a response i got from them

    Thank you for your email and thank you for your interest in our products. We have designed and manufactured a few sets of camshafts for the M156 but our research has shown that the costs outweigh the performance gains. At this point we don't offer a cam solution for M156. Our CNC ported heads do however work very well, especially when the car is specifically tuned for these modifications

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    @Sticky what i think is messing things up is the variable intake of the m156. Aggressive cams and the variable intake is probably causing big torque losses down low/ mid range.

    As we know the SLS has a different non variable intake manifold and also individual "trumpet" style runners that can better take advantage of the aggressive cams uptop.

    I know the easy answer for power is a 3.0Liter blower but knowing this is the last great N/A engine from AMG that was awarded performance engine of the year 2 times makes me want to preserve the N/A aspect of it. Prob will pick up another boost monster that i can have my high hp thrills in and keep this thing at what its great at

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    I have

    MBH Headers w/ midpipes w/ catless x pipe
    Agency Power Valved Exhaust
    Carbonio CF Intake
    Evosport UD Pulley
    BMC Filters
    Eurocharge Software
    Quaife LSD

    No Heads/Cams though :-/ Who makes cams/heads for the m156 besides MHP/Andy?? Thats what im looking for

    Dont get me wrong the car is a beast i dynoed over 470whp before i did headers on the car so im guessing ill be around 500whp now which is great N/A but as you know its never enough Click here to enlarge

    Do the renntech throttle bodies provide any good gains? Can grab a used set for a low price might be worth it with ported heads
    How did you dyno at 470whp before headers?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlownC63 Click here to enlarge
    How did you dyno at 470whp before headers?
    Eurocharged tune
    93/100 octane mix
    evosport under drive pulley
    secondary cat delete
    Charcoal delete
    BMC filters
    ROW airboxes
    Girodisc 2 piece rotors (40 pounds less rotational mass means more wheel horsepower)

    This was a dynojet and im located in NY where we are at sea level and it was a 50 degree days with low humidity basically awesome condition i believe the DA that day was almost 0.

    I posted up my dyno sheets on mbworld check em out

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