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    Pagani C9 to get unique AMG V12 powerplant - 6.0 liter NA 700 hp

    Thought this was interesting, from an official Pagani statement:

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    The engine of the Pagani C9 is not a derivative of the AMG V-12 engine developed for the SL65 Black Series, nor is the AMG V-12 engine in the SL65 Black Series derived from the engine AMG is currently developing for the Pagani C9.

    The cars are very different in their character and conception and the engine will reflect this in its technical characteristics and behavior.

    The engine in the Pagani C9 has been developed specifically for that application by Mercedes-AMG GmbH.
    Specs are 6.0 liters and around 700 hp at the moment.

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    pics or ban?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    pics or ban?
    Well the motor isn't done yet and neither is the car, but how about this shot of the Zonda F motor?

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    ZONDA is in a league of their own. I used to doubt them and didnt like that they didnt make their own engine but after visiting italy and the car manufacturers, I have no doubt in my mind they are unique, a niche car. Their separate themselves from the other supercar makers.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
    ZONDA is in a league of their own. I used to doubt them and didnt like that they didnt make their own engine but after visiting italy and the car manufacturers, I have no doubt in my mind they are unique, a niche car. Their separate themselves from the other supercar makers.
    It is understandable they don't build their own engine but it is not like you can get their engine in any other car.

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    great power figure for such a light car. and n/a i assume? the 65's engine is twin turbo, so no wonder they say vastly different. imagine this thing with boost Click here to enlarge
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    i heard the torque is 1000NM , so it won't be NA.

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    oh, interesting, but they still say the engine is way different, maybe stronger internals but same TT platform? the title sticky posts is NA. hmm.. doubt it's s/c. is it awd?
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    it's RWD for sure , but i still they don't think they can make 700Hp from 6.0 litre
    when was the last time AMG made an engine with that much Hp/litre (except Zonda R which is race car)? i don't remeber Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oddjob2021 Click here to enlarge
    yeah man, i read that in the OP, but are there any more details? that statement is very vague, when you think about it, the only fact is that it is not derived from the 65, and the new engine was designed specifically for the c9.
    yes , you are right .the engine which was used in Zonda was a whole new engine?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by HeroSina Click here to enlarge
    it's RWD for sure , but i still they don't think they can make 700Hp from 6.0 litre
    when was the last time AMG made an engine with that much Hp/litre (except Zonda R which is race car)? i don't remeber Click here to enlarge
    It's entirely possible N/A, whether they will do it or not is another question. I don't have to tell anyone what organs I would give to land one of those V12s to play with.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by HeroSina Click here to enlarge
    i heard the torque is 1000NM , so it won't be NA.
    1000 NM? Maybe it will be turbo but if so it would have a lot in common with the other V12's.

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    The Zonda uses, and has used, derivatives of MB's M120 engine... reworked and further refined by AMG to meet the specifications and performance characteristics desired by Pagani.

    The quote from Pagani in the first post is somewhat confusing - it sounds like they're saying "this engine is completely different than the SL65BS engine, neither is derived from the other." However, it's been reported that the C9 will use a variant of the M275 AMG engine - which is the same engine that the SL65BS uses. IMHO, a more specific question could be asked - "is the C9's engine based on the M275 AMG engine architecture, or is it a fresh, totally new clean-sheet build from AMG for the C9?" My guess is the former...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
    The Zonda uses, and has used, derivatives of MB's M120 engine
    Yep, which is not available in any production Mercedes and has not been for some time. And Pagani's version is quite a bit different but it is that basic architecture.

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    Yeah - the earliest production MB's to use the M120 engine were early 1990's model years. With the evolutionary changes in engine tech and design in the last two decades, it's amazing it's still being used by anyone. It would be like Pagani spec'ing the S70 from BMW originally, and still using a modified version of it in 2010.

    If the C9 uses the M275 AMG (which is what every biturbo 65 AMG uses at present), albeit a Pagani-customized version, it would make sense given the reported specs (6.0L, 700+ HP), but not the "NA" one. Did they claim anywhere that it would be a naturally aspirated powerplant, or was that someone's speculation along the way?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
    If the C9 uses the M275 AMG (which is what every biturbo 65 AMG uses at present), albeit a Pagani-customized version, it would make sense given the reported specs (6.0L, 700+ HP), but not the "NA" one. Did they claim anywhere that it would be a naturally aspirated powerplant, or was that someone's speculation along the way?
    It was just speculation regarding NA based on Pagani's own statements stating their motor is not derived from the SL65 Black Series TT V12. Since all the V12's with TT's as you stated are basically the same thing, their statements are kind of odd then if it is going to be TT.

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    I for one hope it stay N/A. A 700hp V12 N/A would be perfection and that car is very very light. Would smash!
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    Here is the official teaser vid and no, I'm not $#@!ting you:


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    to me it's a VW teaser , not Pagani

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by HeroSina Click here to enlarge
    to me it's a VW teaser , not Pagani
    I thought maybe Pagani was starting to sell coffee.

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    Here is the second teaser, better than the first but that isn't saying much:


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    The new Lambo Aventador is getting 700HP as well.
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    I believe it was confirmed this powerplant is turbo'd.

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    Really? V12 TT Pagani?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    Really? V12 TT Pagani?
    Seems like it.

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