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    Question I want to build up an M156 E63 AMG - Who are the experts?

    I have a 2010 E63 AMG with 28k on the odometer and RENNtech R4 package (ECU upgrade, stainless steel headers, performance sound pipe, 82mm throttle bodies and carbon fiber airbox upgrade. 575 HP @ 6800 RPM; 525 LB-FT @ 5200 RPM).

    I'd like to move to a stage 2 Weistec supercharger for 672 horsepower, 662 ft-lb of torque. I know I'm going to need to beef up the motor and transmission, amongst other things... If anyone can give me input - or point me in the direction of someone else who's already gone through these motions - I'd greatly appreciate it.

    I'm not looking for a 9 second drag strip monster that needs slicks for traction. However, I'd LIKE to think I could have an 11.0 second E63 AMG as I'm seeing this possible with the new twin turbo models on good street tires.

    Any input, thoughts and/or constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated...

    Thank you...
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    Well even though you have been registered for a while you don't have many posts so your rep is too low to post links.

    Regarding building up your M156, that depends how far you want to go with it.

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    That's the thing... I didn't actually post any links! I think the system has a bug. No big deal. I'm sure I'll have enough reputation to get the post through soon. I'll edit my first post and we can delete all of this later. :p

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    There is no bug. If you tried to post an @ symbol it probably thought you were posting an e-mail address.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    I'd like to move to a stage 2 Weistec supercharger for 672 horsepower, 662 ft-lb of torque. I know I'm going to need to beef up the motor and transmission, amongst other things... If anyone can give me input - or point me in the direction of someone else who's already gone through these motions - I'd greatly appreciate it.
    Honestly, there is a ton of stuff on the forum about these upgrades. If you are going to beef up the motor and transmission might as well go straight to the 3.0 liter blower.

    This should tell you a bit: http://www.benzboost.com/content.php...th-price-drops

    And this: http://www.benzboost.com/content.php...and-head-studs

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    Thank you. That "stage 3" sounds like a no brainer considering "stock internals" is mentioned. I just wonder how that "head bolt" issue I'm reading about will rear it's ugly head as a result of that much added power. Transmission as well... I AM prepared to build these things up - but I wonder how much the stock components can take. But that's what I'm here for. To learn about my new project...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    Thank you. That "stage 3" sounds like a no brainer considering "stock internals" is mentioned. I just wonder how that "head bolt" issue I'm reading about will rear it's ugly head as a result of that much added power. Transmission as well... I AM prepared to build these things up - but I wonder how much the stock components can take. But that's what I'm here for. To learn about my new project...
    You can start with the Stage III and go from there as you feel the need. It can grow with you.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    Thank you. That "stage 3" sounds like a no brainer considering "stock internals" is mentioned. I just wonder how that "head bolt" issue I'm reading about will rear it's ugly head as a result of that much added power. Transmission as well... I AM prepared to build these things up - but I wonder how much the stock components can take. But that's what I'm here for. To learn about my new project...
    Sal-welcome

    You can get the head studs from Weistec which should take care of your concerns.
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    Yes, I'll definitely be going in that direction. I just wonder how much time I have with the current setup before things start going wrong.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    Yes, I'll definitely be going in that direction. I just wonder how much time I have with the current setup before things start going wrong.
    You will be fine, don't worry. The head studs will put any concerns you have at ease though. It may be a good peace of mind idea to get them.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You will be fine, don't worry. The head studs will put any concerns you have at ease though. It may be a good peace of mind idea to get them.
    Thank you... I'm probably buying a Meisterschaft axle back exhaust and wonder if I should remove the secondary cats at the same time as installation. Will I run into any issues? I'm guessing I could get a check engine light.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    Thank you... I'm probably buying a Meisterschaft axle back exhaust and wonder if I should remove the secondary cats at the same time as installation. Will I run into any issues? I'm guessing I could get a check engine light.
    If you ditch the cats a CEL will likely pop up eventually but any decent tuner can disable it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    Thank you... I'm probably buying a Meisterschaft axle back exhaust and wonder if I should remove the secondary cats at the same time as installation. Will I run into any issues? I'm guessing I could get a check engine light.

    Wesitec is truly the only way to go if you want big and reliable HP.


    Don't waste your money on the axle back and mufflers. The stock AMG mufflers make the most HP, anyone that tells you otherwise is selling snake oil. Instead buy some longtube headers and mids. These motors resond very well to primary cat delete but I know that is not alwasy an option for people these days with emissions testing and stuff.

    As for headbolts, just have them swapped out when you do your blower install, the headbolt issue is of some concern but in reality only a small percentage of cars have seen the problem arise.

    I beleive you E come with forged internals from the factory, but even if it doesnt you can run the Wesitec Stage 3. I run the Wesitec Stage 3 on high boost on both my SLS BS and C BS and they both have the stock forged internals. I ran the Weistec Stage 2 on my CLK with stock non-forged internals and beat the snot out of it and it never casued me any issues. I eventually wanted more power(super high boost on a stage 3) so I ended up going with the Wesitec forged rods and pistons. My CLK is now making close to 1300hp with a Wesitec blower and built motor with the stock black and crank. As for the Check Engine Light concern, don't be concerned a good tuner such as Wesitec can turn of the sensors in the tune. I do not run primary cats on any of my AMG's and do not have any CEL's
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    Thank you. I'm in Florida where we don't have emissions tests...

    I have these headers:
    http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/193

    Here are my two options with Renntech:

    Long Tube Headers with Downpipes and 200 Cell Sport Catalytic Converters
    http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/739

    Long Tube Headers with Downpipes and Catalytic Bypass
    http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/1290

    $8k seems like a lot of money considering the Weistec supercharger kit is $15k... Horsepower to dollar ratio. Click here to enlarge :p

    When tuning with Weistec - you need to send out your ECU. Correct? About how long does that process take?

    How are your transmissions doing? I'm considering an upgrade there as well:
    http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/524

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
    Wesitec is truly the only way to go if you want big and reliable HP.


    Don't waste your money on the axle back and mufflers. The stock AMG mufflers make the most HP, anyone that tells you otherwise is selling snake oil. Instead buy some longtube headers and mids. These motors resond very well to primary cat delete but I know that is not alwasy an option for people these days with emissions testing and stuff.

    As for headbolts, just have them swapped out when you do your blower install, the headbolt issue is of some concern but in reality only a small percentage of cars have seen the problem arise.

    I beleive you E come with forged internals from the factory, but even if it doesnt you can run the Wesitec Stage 3. I run the Wesitec Stage 3 on high boost on both my SLS BS and C BS and they both have the stock forged internals. I ran the Weistec Stage 2 on my CLK with stock non-forged internals and beat the snot out of it and it never casued me any issues. I eventually wanted more power(super high boost on a stage 3) so I ended up going with the Wesitec forged rods and pistons. My CLK is now making close to 1300hp with a Wesitec blower and built motor with the stock black and crank. As for the Check Engine Light concern, don't be concerned a good tuner such as Wesitec can turn of the sensors in the tune. I do not run primary cats on any of my AMG's and do not have any CEL's
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    Thank you. I'm in Florida where we don't have emissions tests...

    I have these headers:
    http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/193

    Here are my two options with Renntech:

    Long Tube Headers with Downpipes and 200 Cell Sport Catalytic Converters
    http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/739

    Long Tube Headers with Downpipes and Catalytic Bypass
    http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/1290

    $8k seems like a lot of money considering the Weistec supercharger kit is $15k... Horsepower to dollar ratio. Click here to enlarge :p

    When tuning with Weistec - you need to send out your ECU. Correct? About how long does that process take?

    How are your transmissions doing? I'm considering an upgrade there as well:
    http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/524
    Renntech has always been overpriced for what they deliver IMO.

    Actually Weistec(and I) will be in Daytona Beach, FL racing and tuning on Friday Saturday and Sunday. They will be doing on the spot tunes, they will remove the ECU, tune it and re-install it in about 30 minutes, you don't even need to get your hands dirty. They are offering a special price for on the spot tunes and the best part about Weistec tunes are if you decide to do a tune now and then a supercharger a year from now they credit you what you paid for the tune towards the price of the supercharger. They truly are the best.

    Not sure what part of Florida you are from, I know it's a big state but it might be worth your time to come to the event and meet them and discuss all your questions and concerns and get a killer tune, they are always more than happy to talk to customers and potential customers.

    I am racing my C63 BS and SLS BS in the Optima USCA races at Daytona that is the reason for their visit.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    Thank you. I'm in Florida where we don't have emissions tests...

    I have these headers:
    http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/193

    Here are my two options with Renntech:

    Long Tube Headers with Downpipes and 200 Cell Sport Catalytic Converters
    http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/739

    Long Tube Headers with Downpipes and Catalytic Bypass
    http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/1290

    $8k seems like a lot of money considering the Weistec supercharger kit is $15k... Horsepower to dollar ratio. Click here to enlarge :p

    When tuning with Weistec - you need to send out your ECU. Correct? About how long does that process take?

    How are your transmissions doing? I'm considering an upgrade there as well:
    http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/524
    Proper headers aren't cheap but they will only help you. That goes for if you are boosted or naturally aspirated.

    Going catless is cheaper and you will make more power.

    If you are looking for a dramatic improvement obviously headers won't match a supercharger. It sounds like you will wind up with both though.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
    Renntech has always been overpriced for what they deliver IMO.

    Actually Weistec(and I) will be in Daytona Beach, FL racing and tuning on Friday Saturday and Sunday. They will be doing on the spot tunes, they will remove the ECU, tune it and re-install it in about 30 minutes, you don't even need to get your hands dirty. They are offering a special price for on the spot tunes and the best part about Weistec tunes are if you decide to do a tune now and then a supercharger a year from now they credit you what you paid for the tune towards the price of the supercharger. They truly are the best.

    Not sure what part of Florida you are from, I know it's a big state but it might be worth your time to come to the event and meet them and discuss all your questions and concerns and get a killer tune, they are always more than happy to talk to customers and potential customers.

    I am racing my C63 BS and SLS BS in the Optima USCA races at Daytona that is the reason for their visit.
    I'm in South Florida. I do wish I could get out there this weekend but I'm so limited with time these days - it's ridiculous. But I've read enough here to be very confident going with Weistec for my supercharger and final tune.

    How are your transmissions doing with so much power? I should probably get mine built up, right?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Proper headers aren't cheap but they will only help you. That goes for if you are boosted or naturally aspirated.

    Going catless is cheaper and you will make more power.

    If you are looking for a dramatic improvement obviously headers won't match a supercharger. It sounds like you will wind up with both though.
    What would you do if you were me? I already have the short headers. If I plan on going without cats - should I just leave the short headers as is and get a straight pipe to replace the cats? And do people normally replace both first and second sets?

    Are there any concerns with reducing back pressure TOO much? I don't want to lose a lot of torque.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    What would you do if you were me?
    3.0 liter blower and never look back except to see how far ahead you are of any car that challenges you.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    If I plan on going without cats - should I just leave the short headers as is and get a straight pipe to replace the cats? And do people normally replace both first and second sets?
    Yes, leave the shorty headers as the 3.0 liter will make more than enough power anyway and just straight pipe it. I replaced both on my car. It's up to you and how comfortable you are with emissions.

    If it is a street car I'd think about it a bit. My car sees little use on the street so I don't feel guilty about being catless.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    Are there any concerns with reducing back pressure TOO much? I don't want to lose a lot of torque.
    That backpressure stuff is basically bunk and when boosted it won't matter. You will only see big gains from opening the pipes up. If you want to verify get a baseline on the dyno.
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    Thank you very much. I have a straight-piped 600hp 3100lb twin turbo Audi S4. I'm okay with it. :p Saves me some massive money as well. $8k. It looks like I'll just do the 3.0 Weistec supercharger, head bolt upgrade and transmission upgrade...

    ...about that transmission upgrade... Probably a good idea?

    Oh, will straight pipes with stock exhaust sound really obnoxious?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    I have a straight-piped 600hp 3100lb twin turbo Audi S4
    B5 I take it?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    It looks like I'll just do the 3.0 Weistec supercharger, head bolt upgrade and transmission upgrade...
    Smart choice.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    ...about that transmission upgrade... Probably a good idea?
    Is it necessary to run the 3.0 liter? No. Is it necessary if you intend to push the 3.0 liter? Yes. It isn't going to hurt you.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    Oh, will straight pipes with stock exhaust sound really obnoxious?
    Oh yeah. But you can get a valved system if you aren't one of those people who enjoys setting off car alarms when you turn the ignition.
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    Yes, B5 S4.

    Okay, let me dig a little deeper - if you don't mind... When you say "push the 3.0 liter" - do you mean aiming for that 1000hp? I don't intend on going past the 769 Horsepower, 677 ft-lb of Torque mark that they mention on their page. I'm wondering if when you say "push" - you mean building up the motor and going higher than that... I really have no idea how much this stock transmission can take and figure somebody out there, perhaps you, have first hand knowledge of what can typically fly - and what cannot...

    Okay. Straight pipes with a valved system. So basically I can keep it quiet until I decide to race. Is this something that needs to be rigged together and purchased separately or do you know of a good vendor who sells a package or something? Click here to enlarge I know. Newbie questions... Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    Okay, let me dig a little deeper - if you don't mind... When you say "push the 3.0 liter" - do you mean aiming for that 1000hp? I don't intend on going past the 769 Horsepower, 677 ft-lb of Torque mark that they mention on their page. I'm wondering if when you say "push" - you mean building up the motor and going higher than that... I really have no idea how much this stock transmission can take and figure somebody out there, perhaps you, have first hand knowledge of what can typically fly - and what cannot...
    Yes obviously the blower is capable of much more than what your stock internals and transmission will handle. If you decide you start wanting more you will find your next weak link which is probably going to be the transmission.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    Okay. Straight pipes with a valved system. So basically I can keep it quiet until I decide to race.
    Exactly.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano Click here to enlarge
    Is this something that needs to be rigged together and purchased separately or do you know of a good vendor who sells a package or something?
    Let me see who has one. I'm going to check with our supporting vendors before I direct potential business anywhere else.
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    I can already see there are not many valved exhaust systems out there for the E63... ugh.
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    Okay. No worries. I imagine if I'm putting in straight pipes in place of my cats but still keeping the stock mufflers, it won't sound TOO ridiculous... Or so I believe...
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    Oh and I bet that 11.0 1/4 mile will be possible with 700hp. I doubt I'll even need to go as high as 769...
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