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    Formula1 2014 thread

    The season is far from starting. We have another 5 1/2 weeks to go for that.
    But just to line up the cars, here is an over-site pic of all the team's efforts to comply with the 2014 regulations.
    They don't all look great IMO

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    I'm pretty excited about this season I don't know about you guys.

    A lot of big changes.

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    Would rep you for being an American that loves F1

    Go McLaren... who else
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
    Would rep you for being an American that loves F1

    Go McLaren... who else
    McLaren looked good in the first test in Jerez and their new controversial rear suspension has been approved. So it seems they are off to a much better start this year.

    Red Bull on the other hand, had a terrible 4 day test. They packed up and went home early amidst major overheating problems. They only completed 20 laps the entire 4 days.

    Mercedes and Ferrari both had a successful test. Mercedes turning 309 laps and Ferrari 251 laps.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
    McLaren looked good in the first test in Jerez and their new controversial rear suspension has been approved. So it seems they are off to a much better start this year.

    Red Bull on the other hand, had a terrible 4 day test. They packed up and went home early amidst major overheating problems. They only completed 20 laps the entire 4 days.

    Mercedes and Ferrari both had a successful test. Mercedes turning 309 laps and Ferrari 251 laps.

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    One of the smaller changes of 2014 is the new rule that it is allowed for the winner of the race this year to make donuts or stop shortly to pick up a flag to celebrate their victory.
    Restrictions are the podium ceremony may not be held up by this celebration and nobody must be put in any danger while performing the donuts.
    Last year Vettel was fined $25,000.- for doing a donut after celabrating his championship victory on the start/finish line.

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    Now this is awesome.
    A 360 degrees view on board the brand new Mercedes Formula1 car over the Silverstone circuit.

    Strap in and enjoy the ride

    Nice touch, the #KeepfightingMichael on the side there.
    Bit silly to have the driver wear a sponsored watch, but there you go.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    Ha! I was just about to post this. That steering wheel is so complicated that it makes me not even want to drive a formula car...soooo much information. No wonder Maldonado keeps crashing into $#@!.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by singletrack Click here to enlarge
    No wonder Maldonado keeps crashing into $#@!
    20 others are coping just fine. Only Grosjean has the same overload problems sometimes...
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    Here are some articles that explain the main differences in the Mercedes F1 powerplant and the Renault version.
    Herin lies part of Mercedes's succes formula for 2014.

    This also explains why these different build methods cannot be easily copied.


    From the Formula1 website:

    Mercedes and Renault F1 engines compared

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    If we compare the component installations on Mercedes' and Renault's power units, it is easy to see how different their concepts are.
    One of the fundamental requirements of a turbocharged engine is to reduce the temperature of the charge air (the blue part of the turbo) - the cooler this charge air is, the more power the engine will produce. Unlike Renault, Mercedes have separated the hot side of the turbo (in red) from the cold side (in blue) and have the MGU-H mounted in the 'V' of the engine between the two parts of the turbo.

    This has two main advantages: firstly, the heat transfer between the two parts of the turbo is minimised, so less cooling is required to keep the charge air temperature down (or if the same cooling capacity is used, the charge air temperature will be lower, giving more power to the rear wheels). Secondly, having the MGU-H mounted between the two sides of the turbo could allow Mercedes to have either or both sides working through one-way clutches, making the complete unit more efficient.

    Basically the exhaust gases coming out of the engine on the hot side of the turbo only ever have to drive the cold side of the turbo and or the MGU-H, creating electrical power from this component and feeding it directly to the MGU-K. The MGU-H only ever has to drive the cold side of the turbo, increasing the charge air pressure, thus reducing turbo lag and increasing power. The potential advantages of the Mercedes concept could be significant over the course of the season, especially as retro fitting a similar solution will be very difficult for the other power unit manufacturers.


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    If we compare the component installations on Renault's and Mercedes' power units, it is easy to see how different their concepts are.
    One of the fundamental requirements of a turbocharged engine is to reduce the temperature of the charge air (the blue part of the turbo) - the cooler this charge air is, the more power the engine will produce. Unlike Mercedes, Renault have the hot side of the turbo (shown in red) bolted directly to the cold side (in blue).

    There is heat insulation between them, but there will inevitably still be a lot of heat transfer between the two parts, meaning that a larger intercooler and more airflow will have to be used to reduce the charge air temperature. Mounted to the cold side of the turbo is the MGU-H, which will drive or be driven by the turbo through a central shaft. With this packaging both turbo elements will be driven simultaneously (whereas Mercedes' solution offers the possibility of driving the two elements independently).

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    Another 'secret weapon' that the all-conquering 2014 Mercedes appears to have is an intercooler inserted into the top area of the chassis, circled here in yellow.
    This intercooler cools the turbocharged airflow that is going into the engine. As illustrated by the blue arrows, airflow from underneath the car's main air intake is passed across the intercooler, reducing the internal air temperature. The cooler this airflow is the more horsepower the engine will generate.

    With so many different systems on the cars now requiring cooling, this is a real packaging benefit for Mercedes, and one which will be difficult for other teams to copy.
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    It is only a matter of time before teams copy Mercedes though.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    20 others are coping just fine. Only Grosjean has the same overload problems sometimes...
    Yah I was joking - he seems like a mental case. That crash with Gutierrez was terrifying.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It is only a matter of time before teams copy Mercedes though.
    Not this year though. regulations state the designs of the engines used must be deposited before the season starts and no mayor changes can de made to that design during the season.
    Besides that, the whole car is designed around the engine package.
    It simply would not fit in a car not designed for this.

    Probably next year Ferrari and Renault will adopt this setup.
    I think it's pretty damn genius to split the cold and hot sections of the turbo like that, with a clutch in-between with the MGU-H there, driving only the cold compressor when needed.
    This is why I love Formula 1. Out of the box thinking and designing epic innovations.
    Absolutely brilliant.
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    Mercedes-Benz renames their F1 engine to W05 Hybrid.

    By Joe Saward

    Formula 1′s brilliant technical revolution in 2014 has been largely overlooked by the blinkered folk in the F1 Paddock but finally Mercedes-Benz has made the obvious connection that has previously been left unsaid. The Stuttgart firm has recognized that the new powertrain is far more than simply an Internal Combustion Engine. The engine is a hybrid. The team has decided to rename the F1 W05 racing car the F1 W05 Hybrid and will carry the Hybrid branding featured on series production Mercedes-Benz cars prominently on the engine cover.

    “Mercedes-Benz has been at the forefront of automotive innovation since the invention of the first automobile by Gottlieb Daimler,” said Toto Wolff. “This pedigree includes over a century of motorsport involvement, which has provided a testing ground for some of the brand’s most significant breakthroughs. What we are seeing in Formula 1 today is the next generation of innovations that will eventually find their way from the race track to the road. Mercedes-Benz is leading the way in promoting the positive new direction the sport has taken.

    During the early development phases of KERS in 2007, the system weighed in at over 100 kg and worked at a thermal efficiency level of 39 percent. By the end of the 2012 season the units weighed just 24 kg and were capable of 80 percent thermal efficiency levels. In other words, Formula 1 development enabled a twelve-fold increase in power density from KERS systems: the impact of which has filtered down into Hybrid systems used by the everyday motorist.

    The perfect example lies in the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Coupé Electric Drive: with lessons learned during development of the high-power-density F1 KERS Hybrid flowing directly into the technology at the heart of this ground-breaking vehicle. The battery solution for the all-electric supercar was developed with Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains (HPP) in Brixworth, delivered 740 hp, an incredible 1,000 Nm of torque and set a new benchmark for energy density. All of which added up to a 7:56 record lap of the Nürburgring Nordschleife!

    This rate of development has historically come as something of a by-product to the ultimate goal of faster lap time. For 2014, however, this has fundamentally changed.
    “Formula 1 is the pinnacle of automotive innovation. As such, it has a responsibility to push the boundaries of technology,” explains Toto. “The new regulations not only encourage this innovation but also align the sport with the direction in which the automotive industry is heading. As a works manufacturer team, we are perfectly placed to reap the rewards of aligning our racing activities with the future technology path for series production. Formula One always has been about pure racing – and it still is today. At the same time, we’re now back at the cutting edge of technology and pioneering new solutions. That’s a huge positive step for the sport.”
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    Not this year though. regulations state the designs of the engines used must be deposited before the season starts and no mayor changes can de made to that design during the season.
    I like this regulation. A lot.

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    They still need caps on spending though or the small teams will never be able to compete. Maybe once Ecclestone is gone this can happen, but the politics in F1 are outrageous.

    I don't find NASCAR interesting as a motorsport, but I highly respect what they've done to attempt to level the playing field. This makes it a great spectator sport and incredibly popular.

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    Why should small teams be able to compete though?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Why should small teams be able to compete though?
    Because racing fans don't want to see one team dominate and maybe 1-2 others be competitive with the rest of the field seconds behind per lap. Having more teams in the mix equals more excitement and more expansion beyond fans simply loyal to one make, team, or F1. I'm not saying implement a cap that prevents progress, but it is literally unlimited right now.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by singletrack Click here to enlarge
    Because racing fans don't want to see one team dominate and maybe 1-2 others be competitive with the rest of the field seconds behind per lap. Having more teams in the mix equals more excitement and more expansion beyond fans simply loyal to one make, team, or F1. I'm not saying implement a cap that prevents progress, but it is literally unlimited right now.
    I mean I kind of like seeing the big boys show what they can do. You get progress that way.

    WRC is stagnant because VW had to back off to give small teams a chance to compete.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I mean I kind of like seeing the big boys show what they can do. You get progress that way.

    WRC is stagnant because VW had to back off to give small teams a chance to compete.
    Yah - it is not a nobrainer for sure, and it must be done properly. But you have a lot of comments from classic F1 teams with massive followings like Lotus saying they have budget issues. Even Ferrari has gone on record (not sure if I believe them) saying they don't have the budget of a Mercedes. Who knows though - so much politics in F1; hard to believe anything.

    Interesting point. Personally I lost interest in WRC when everyone went o "5 doors" that I had no actual interest in driving. Also gets lousy coverage in the states which sucks.

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