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    Mercedes fights off BMW for the top US luxury automotive sales numbers of 2013 - Will BMW learn from this?

    Well how about that? It's funny how things work out sometimes when you achieve a goal that is a by-product of your focus on something else. In July of this year Mercedes stated they did not expect to win the 2013 luxury sales race and also stated they were fine with that implying that BMW fudges their sales numbers anyway. Mercedes instead decided to focus on quality and building the best cars in their respective segments they possibly could.

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    BMW on the other hand equates being number one in sales to being the best. BMW's philosophy amusingly seems to be, 'if you're not first, you're last.' Well BMW, you lost in 2013. This despite attempting to push out every variant possible to boost sales and possibly even manipulating the numbers.

    Mercedes came up with the number one spot without actively trying to capture it. The final tally in the US for 2013 was 312,534 new Mercedes sold or 3,254 more cars than BMW. It is by building better cars from the bottom to the top of the lineup that Mercedes got the sales crown they deserved. Hopefully this teaches BMW a lesson. It likely will not though. Expect BMW to fire back with more BMW badged Mini Coopers to boost numbers.

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    Guess the launch of the 4-series and new X5 didn't work out for BMW.

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    Still very early for each. Mercedes crushed them with the CLA.

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    BMW is dead, and has been a corpse for a while.
    The last good BMW was the V8 M5.

    Long live AMG.
    AMG needs to release lightweight sedans with V8 TT, AWD, and DCT and continue to dominate.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    BMW is dead, and has been a corpse for a while.
    I hardly think this is accurate as they are still the leader in worldwide sales.

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    The last good BMW was the V8 M5.
    I'd say the M3 GTS.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    AMG needs to release lightweight sedans with V8 TT, AWD, and DCT and continue to dominate.
    The new M3 is going to be lighter than the E46. That's impressive.

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    The only thing BMW has been getting right is DCT.
    Their cars are overweight, have no torque, and need AWD to compete with this performance leaders.

    You own a M3, so you're biased. I'm objective.
    At least you have a blower on your M3 that helps to make up for the pathetic lack of torque.Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    Their cars are overweight, have no torque, and need AWD to compete with this performance leaders.
    The M3/M4 are 3300 pounds, what are you talking about? Why would they need AWD?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    You own a M3, so you're biased. I'm objective.
    Um, no, I'm going by posted specs.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    At least you have a blower on your M3 that helps to make up for the pathetic lack of torque.
    You have fun with torque and spinning tires I guess. I'll have fun with real horsepower.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    -Why would they need AWD?
    -You have fun with torque and spinning tires I guess.
    -real horsepower.
    You asked and answered your own question in your post.

    BMW needs real power.
    If they ever make it, then they'll need AWD to get traction on the street with street tires.

    Horsepower sells cars.
    Torque and traction wins races.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    BMW needs real power.
    If they ever make it, then they'll need AWD to get traction on the street with street tires.
    That doesn't make any sense. Since when does torque down low equal horsepower?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    Torque and traction wins races.
    L O L

    Yeah, because M3's lose to everything with more torque... oh wait, no they don't. That's because horsepower wins races. Why aren't we racing all wheel drive diesels again?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    BMW needs real power.
    I'm not quite sure what part of power to weight you don't understand. 3300 pounds for the M3/M4. Who is lighter?

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    Sorry, Sticky.
    I don't have the interest or time to teach class today. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    Sorry, Sticky.
    I don't have the interest or time to teach class today. Click here to enlarge
    Do you have any interest in learning perhaps? http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...l-transmission

    What is lighter or available with a manual and DCT option? I can't think of anything. I'm just trying to make sense of your posts again.

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    After owning an M3 and an Mroadster, I QUICKLY jumped ships to MB. Although the TT M5 is intersesting, since AMG borught out their TT, game over IMHO.

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    The problem with mb is they haven't made the trans sporty enough IMO. They need to develop a dct, once they do that, they will be really making a dominating platform
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
    Although the TT M5 is intersesting, since AMG borught out their TT, game over IMHO.
    How is it game over? The M5 is the faster car stock for stock and it handles better. It's also lighter.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    The problem with mb is they haven't made the trans sporty enough IMO. They need to develop a dct, once they do that, they will be really making a dominating platform
    Yep. The platform still emphasizes the straightline.

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    I truly love all cars. Even alot of junk. As much as I like the mb line up, when it comes to overall quality and handling BMW takes the cake. We can all agree that both manufacturers flop in certain areas. Whether its who they sub to on electronics or releasing new tech too early. A benz drives like grandpappies caddy. All the turbos in the world wont change it and BMW will continue to progress in the motorsports division far ahead of mb.
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    I probably run as much boost as you do fuel pressure

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    How is it game over? The M5 is the faster car stock for stock and it handles better. It's also lighter.
    Just my HO my friend. After owning 2 BMW's, I would be very hard pressed to go back. The MB's just win in everything day to day, again MHO.

    PS: Has ANYONE ever received the gas mileage that BMW claims, LOL

    My M roadster struggled to get double digits. Heck, I had to stop 6 times for gas driving from Myrtle beach back to Pittsburgh.

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    Almost forgot, I test drove a 2010 535xi, and that numb steering wheel you can keep all to yourself.

    The salesman asked what I liked, and I told him "The heated steering wheel was nice"

    The rest he could keep, LOLClick here to enlarge

    I settled for my Audi and was a very happy camperClick here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    Sorry, Sticky.
    I don't have the interest or time to teach class today.

    You are soooo dumb reading your posts causes to me lose brain cells at a staggering rate! I swear reading you post always lead too the same conclusion.


    We get it! If it's not a million Liters engine driven by all 10 wheels then the car is crap!
    Bmw is $#@! and don't know how to make cars....Mercedes is too cause they are putting a tiny 4.0tt in their new C63.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nguyener Click here to enlarge
    You are soooo dumb reading your posts causes to me lose brain cells at a staggering rate!.
    If that's the case, you better stop reading because you obviously don't have any brain cells to spare.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    If that's the case, you better stop reading because you obviously don't have any brain cells to spare.
    I hear you my friend. BOTH are nice rides, just different strokes for different folks. God did I just say tha, I guess I am old, LOL

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    Neg rep for my opinion, just another BMW style point, LOL

    Look above as I have already said they are BOTH nice ridesClick here to enlarge

    To whom negged me, Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
    Just my HO my friend. After owning 2 BMW's, I would be very hard pressed to go back. The MB's just win in everything day to day, again MHO.

    PS: Has ANYONE ever received the gas mileage that BMW claims, LOL

    My M roadster struggled to get double digits. Heck, I had to stop 6 times for gas driving from Myrtle beach back to Pittsburgh.

    I like Mercedes as well and it's perfectly fine to have your preference but I just don't understand the game over comment.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I like Mercedes as well and it's perfectly fine to have your preference but I just don't understand the game over comment.
    Okay, I will concede that it was a little too strong.Click here to enlarge But simply put, I am a strong MB owner after my personal incounters. I still have a soft spot for BMW's as they were my first German car that hooked me, but I will not own one until they really buck up, IMHO.

    Besides, MB's fall fasteer in price so I can afford themClick here to enlarge

    Still both are nice rides, but MB fits me better.

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    I agree with BMW not making a better quality car in service and parts and let me explain myself before i get TRASHED here, I own a 2011 335d yes DIESEL the car has been SUPERB except the emissions parts i.e. NOX sensors going out EGR failing at 23k and UREA tank demolished or better said destroyed by the YES the UREA itself and yes I have pics to prove it, here i am AGAIN at the shop for the same GOD DAMN emissions problems UREA tank leaking and some othe BS issues and may I say the BASTARDS have not changed my air filter and Im at 38k why I found out was i bought the JB cowl Filter and my cars AC was not working like it was supposed to be, the factory HVAC sucks and when i made the replacement I noticed the HVAC was blacker than ususal, then I decided to check the AIR filter and to my surprise I had the original ONE!! OK before i get bashed here,the 335d Air intake filter has a layer of cotton material below the air filter and its GLUED to the filter I decided to remove it lets say some 20k before and when I looked into it guess what i found the same God DAMN filter w/o the layer of cotton. so that my experience with BMW fck my 02 Mini was at the dealer I think 3 times at the dealer in 9 yrs WTF!!

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