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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    So would I. But that doesn't change the fact this motor can run with bigger boys.
    No.
    It won't.
    Why do you keep keep arguing this when everyone here who actually has any experience building cars knows it's true?
    I don't know why you are being so stubborn about this subject.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    No.
    It won't.
    Why do you keep keep arguing this when everyone here who actually has any experience building cars knows it's true?
    I don't know why you are being so stubborn about this subject.
    You're implication being I don't have experience building cars? Or with tuning?

    Why do you keep prattling on about the M157? It's not getting it. Move on. The M177 may be better for all we know and I'm certainly not disappointed with the info so far.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    I don't know why you are being so stubborn about this subject.
    Probably because I actually have experience with the tuning scene, motors, and with a highly tuned 'tiny' V8 engine?

    The fact this 2.0 liter runs with a 6.2 liter LS3 says more than enough.

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    I'm done.
    You make my points for me.
    I don't even need to respond.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Yes but on paper a four cylinder can put out more than enough power with a big enough turbo right? So this thing is hardly maxed.
    LOL bro i don't understand why this isn't coming to you. The turbo is already maxed out the way it sits. The only thing you'll get more is by upping the octane rating and adding a downpipe. It will barely move the graph to left minimizing spool time and barely adjusting peak hp. Just wait n see. @TT C6 and I both understand and know what were talking about...
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    Stop partying amigo hahahahaha

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    I believe this car has more power stored, when RENNtech dynoed my 02 MCS back in 2003 with their flash and we dynoed 175 whp out of a 1.6 Pentagon Engine , HARTMUT the owner of RENNtech was impressed with the numbers. That said I managed a couple of years later with better pulley at 15% from Mini-madness and a Light Crank pulley from M7tuning to finally crank out 197 whp and believe it or not I never changed the OEM IC imagine if I would installed a better IC I strongly believe I would of cranked somewhere around 210 whp.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    LOL bro i don't understand why this isn't coming to you. The turbo is already maxed out the way it sits. The only thing you'll get more is by upping the octane rating and adding a downpipe. It will barely move the graph to left minimizing spool time and barely adjusting peak hp. Just wait n see. @TT C6 and I both understand and know what were talking about...
    This turbo clearly isn't maxed as a piggy is making more power.

    Is there huge leeway? No. But also what I'm saying is you can put a bigger turbo on so what's the problem exactly?

    I don't know what I'm talking about? This car is already over 400 hp with just a basic tune and you guys we're telling me it was maxed. I wouldn't say it's both of you that know what you were talking about.

    People also told me the M3 was maxed from the factory. I'm sitting at well over double their HP.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d Click here to enlarge
    I believe this car has more power stored, when RENNtech dynoed my 02 MCS back in 2003 with their flash and we dynoed 175 whp out of a 1.6 Pentagon Engine , HARTMUT the owner of RENNtech was impressed with the numbers. That said I managed a couple of years later with better pulley at 15% from Mini-madness and a Light Crank pulley from M7tuning to finally crank out 197 whp and believe it or not I never changed the OEM IC imagine if I would installed a better IC I strongly believe I would of cranked somewhere around 210 whp.
    Of course it has more power in it Renntech already demonstrated that so hate for this awesome motor is unwarranted.

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize a motor like the M157 has more power potential. But smaller turbo and direct injected motors are the future and so is tuning them. And this motor will be tunable...

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    STICKY knowing HARMUT from RENNtech they are playing safe, when you order a FLASH from them you need to specify from MILD to WILD that said, as you stated this car has not touch the tip of the ICEBERG yet this is a prelude to more things to come. So people stop hating the car, it HAS potential but adversely FWD will not give it justice unless they come out with a 4matic version, THEN this car will trully be something to recon with!!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d Click here to enlarge
    STICKY knowing HARMUT from RENNtech they are playing safe, when you order a FLASH from them you need to specify from MILD to WILD that said, as you stated this car has not touch the tip of the ICEBERG yet this is a prelude to more things to come. So people stop hating the car, it HAS potential but adversely FWD will not give it justice unless they come out with a 4matic version, THEN this car will trully be something to recon with!!
    Exactly, this is just the beginning.

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    Haters? Potential?
    It's simple science that the engine is limited by displacement and maxed out from the factory.


    You guys are delusional.
    Ignorance is Bliss. Enjoy!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    It's simple science that the engine is limited by displacement and maxed out from the factory.
    If they already are over 400 hp how is it maxed out?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    You guys are delusional.
    Ignorance is Bliss. Enjoy!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    This turbo clearly isn't maxed as a piggy is making more power.

    Is there huge leeway? No. But also what I'm saying is you can put a bigger turbo on so what's the problem exactly?

    I don't know what I'm talking about? This car is already over 400 hp with just a basic tune and you guys we're telling me it was maxed. I wouldn't say it's both of you that know what you were talking about.

    People also told me the M3 was maxed from the factory. I'm sitting at well over double their HP.
    I give up
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    I give up
    You should these motors are going to be tuned A TON.

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    IC, exhaust, intake, etc... Maybe it hits low 400whp.

    I think we're not going to see too much more on this motor without getting really hardcore with mods. There is lots of experience with tuning a 2.0 in the Subaru community. Here's what I found with a quick google search.

    well we had 480 out of mine, but a customer is running 520bhp on a completely unopened sti 8. Closed deck ej20's are especially strong and 600bhp would prob not be impossible

    However, and here is the crunch, 2L is simply too small for that power level. the lag is epic. EJ257 makes sense up to 500bhp, beyond that the EJ22T block is the way to go

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    Not entirely true. RCM (Roger Clark Motorsport) have an Impreza GC8 know a the Gobstopper. The engine is an EJ20 using Closed Deck Blocks, internals are all supplied by RCM themselves and runs a standard Subaru radiator they run 800+BHP using Motec Management. They have never had engine failure using this, lag can be compensated for depending how far you want to go and choice of turbos.


    All the above comes at a cost of course, but that wasn't the original question.


    I agree with the EJ257 statement though, but again depends which block you use as there are two available. There are also a number of stroker kits available for EJ20 and EJ22, also there is some news of one available for the EJ257 but I haven't seen it yet.


    Have a look on the RCM website for info regarding the Gobstopper, food for thought maybe??


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    ^^ correction, mid-400whp
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
    Definitely will have to open up the wallet to get into the 5, 6, 700hp and higher range, but it is feasible even with 2 liters.
    Yep.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    I give up
    I totally agree with you, I'm not that impressed with the 25whp gain, better performance, great, but how reliable pushing a little turbo like that? Most reviews already point out you can feel the inconsistent power delivery from the factory, so no surprise tuning can smooth that out for some minimal gains, but I just don't see this car competing with anything significant...ever...except maybe a few independent throw a bunch of money at it cause I want to projects....only time will tell but this car just won't compete with the Ford ST.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    I totally agree with you, I'm not that impressed with the 25whp gain
    Wut? 25 whp from the world's most powerful factory four-cylinder which is a 2.0 liter? What do you want? 75 whp?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    ut I just don't see this car competing with anything significant...ever...
    It can compete with a ton of cars out of the box. You guys have ridiculous expectations and aren't taking it into account in the context of what it is.

    12's stock from a 2.0 liter turbo four. This was unheard of not too long ago.

    This car is faster stock than a damn E46 M3.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Wut? 25 whp from the world's most powerful factory four-cylinder which is a 2.0 liter? What do you want? 75 whp?



    It can compete with a ton of cars out of the box. You guys have ridiculous expectations and aren't taking it into account in the context of what it is.

    12's stock from a 2.0 liter turbo four. This was unheard of not too long ago.

    This car is faster stock than a damn E46 M3.
    Your point? It's quicker than a lot of older cars...the Kia Optima is also quicker than the first Mustang that came out....WOW!

    For someone who preaches patience you sure are quick to jump on small success and magically see the stars...we won't know what this car can do until a turbo upgrade. And yeah, anything less than 75whp without a turbo upgrade will be weak....and I don't see bolt-ons and fuel adding another 50rw
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    And yeah, anything less than 75whp without a turbo upgrade will be weak....and I don't see bolt-ons and fuel adding another 50rw
    I gave up brotha, you should too.

    Ive been in this 2.0 turbo gang for a long time, I know what has to be done and what the limits are. 26 psi stock form, so tuned lets say 28 psi with timing changed. Added 25 whp, not bad. Then what? The turbo is clearly out of it's efficiency range, at this point all you can do is add octane. Then that's another 20 whp at most with all bolt ons in play. 40whp is what I say as I said is what this car will do with FBO racegas.

    Adding a different turbo is a different story. cause that's not regular modding, that's a heart transplant.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    Your point? It's quicker than a lot of older cars...the Kia Optima is also quicker than the first Mustang that came out....WOW!
    So 12's are slow now? You realize this is faster than a stock 335 right? The current one?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    For someone who preaches patience you sure are quick to jump on small success and magically see the stars...we won't know what this car can do until a turbo upgrade. And yeah, anything less than 75whp without a turbo upgrade will be weak....and I don't see bolt-ons and fuel adding another 50rw
    Um not saying this car is going to be the most powerful thing in the world. I'm saying it's awesome for what it is. It IS awesome. I have no idea why a couple of you are hating on it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    I gave up brotha, you should too.

    Ive been in this 2.0 turbo gang for a long time, I know what has to be done and what the limits are. 26 psi stock form, so tuned lets say 28 psi with timing changed. Added 25 whp, not bad. Then what? The turbo is clearly out of it's efficiency range, at this point all you can do is add octane. Then that's another 20 whp at most with all bolt ons in play. 40whp is what I say as I said is what this car will do with FBO racegas.

    Adding a different turbo is a different story. cause that's not regular modding, that's a heart transplant.
    Changing turbos on turbo motors in the performance game is something that happens pretty frequently.

    This car with bolt ons could get into the 11's on the stock turbo. That's awesome.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Changing turbos on turbo motors in the performance game is something that happens pretty frequently.

    This car with bolt ons could get into the 11's on the stock turbo. That's awesome.
    I agree with you 100%, but in terms of stock unmolested cars lol. Just regular Bolt ons and tune. Half the people don't do turbo upgrades anyways.
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