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    Who negged me? if you read it they talk about collecting social security numbers upon admittance. what evs

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    This seems like a solid conversation with several good points made....I like it...

    NO one denies the need to defend freedom, BUT how you do it is an issue that needs to be dealt with great care. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with everything that we do, although it seems more and more I find myself disagreeing with this administration and the way they handle both international and domestic affairs.

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    I think we have a good exchange here. Polar opinions BUT, respecting and understanding the other point of view is how one learns!

    DFM, that was supposed to be a pos rep...sorry buddy.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    I think we have a good exchange here. Polar opinions BUT, respecting and understanding the other point of view is how one learns!

    DFM, that was supposed to be a pos rep...sorry buddy.
    No worries

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    ok so who neg'd me lol

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    Maybe I am missing the point. What have these children who live in Pakistan done wrong? The US is not at war with Pakistan but rather the US sent a drone into a country it had no authority to do so, violating their sovereign airspace and killing people.. How is the US going to make up for the lives of those impacted by the shoot first and kill whoever we can policy.

    Tell me what would happen if another country sent a drone into the US and killed American citizens and said oops...collateral damage.

    Note this is an exchange of ideas so i don't know what the point is of giving someone a neg rep...it is just a conversation.
    ok but when 9/11 happened we were a reactive nation and people were in a uproar about how it was permitted to happen, now we are a proactive nation and people are complaining about what it takes to get there.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DFM Click here to enlarge
    Call me a crazy conspiracy theorist, but before you do be sure to research this:

    Army Field Manual 3-39.40: Internment and Resettlement Operations
    I looked this up but would you mind explaining it a bit?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I looked this up but would you mind explaining it a bit?
    In a nutshell it is a document that outlines the standard operating procedures for for internment camps in areas of combat and crisis. When i skimmed it it seemed that it would apply to something like katrina, or the japanese tsunami. A situation where a massive population would need to be relocated to prevent destabilization of the region. Some of the language is very cleverly worded so that it appears to not apply to american citizens, when in reality some of the outlined procedures do not have such limitations.

    "Combat operations and stability operations in the war on terrorism continue to result in the detention of criminals, combatants, and civilians as military forces seek to support emerging democracies, mitigate the threat from terrorists, and quell insurgencies. A common lesson is the requirement to prepare for and conduct detainee operations as an integral part of full spectrum operations. Modern military actions, whether in a contiguous or noncontiguous environment characteristic of the war on terrorism, result in the capture of many and varied detainees. The war-on-terrorism detainee differs significantly from traditional EPWs of past conflicts and presents a potentially different and greater type of security threat during processing, escorting, and handling."

    "Individual identification photographs are taken of all prisoners. The prisoner’s last name, first name, and middle initial are placed on the first line of a name board, and the prisoner’s social security number is placed on the second line."

    PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS OFFICER
    3-55.The PSYOP officer in charge of supporting I/R operations serves as the special staff officer responsible for PSYOP. The PSYOP officer advises the military police commander on the psychological impact of military police or MI actions to prevent misunderstandings and disturbances by detainees and DCs. The supporting I/R PSYOP team has two missions that reduce the need to divert military police assets to maintain security in the I/R facility. (See appendix J.) The team—

    • Assists the military police force in controlling detainees and DCs.
    • Introduces detainees or DCs to U.S. and multinational policy.


    3-56. The PSYOP team also supports the military police custodial mission in the I/R facility. The team—

    • Develops PSYOP products that are designed to pacify and acclimate detainees or DCs to accept U.S. I/R facility authority and regulations.
    • Gains the cooperation of detainees or DCs to reduce the number of guards needed.
    • Identifies malcontents, trained agitators, and political leaders within the facility who may try to organize resistance or create disturbances.
    • Develops and executes indoctrination programs to reduce or remove antagonistic attitudes.
    • Identifies political activists.
    • Provides loudspeaker support (such as administrative announcements and facility instructions when necessary).
    • Helps the military police commander control detainee and DC populations during emergencies.
    • Plans and executes a PSYOP program that produces an understanding and appreciation of U.S.policies and actions.




    While the vast majority of this document seems harmless, there are sections where the language concerns me. Take it for what you will.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    muslim brotherhood=AQ; syrian rebels=AQ, drone strikes against American citizens= murder; the list is looooong
    Correct. ecampbell can't handle the truth. I tried to positive rep you, but it says I need to spread the wealth. Like Obama. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    Correct. ecampbell can't handle the truth. I tried to positive rep you, but it says I need to spread the wealth. Like Obama. Click here to enlarge
    my comments started about the irish $#@! and she is a $#@!. if you don't understand that you are the one who can not handle the truth...actually perhaps that just means you can't read.
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    we are not at war with anyone in pakistan, or any other country right now, its a "war on terrorism" the only legal place war is happening is Afghan right now, killing anyone else anywhere else especially, that does not meet the ROE is murder. by drone or ground soldier.. ESPECIALLY AN AMERICAN CITIZEN WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. funneling money to those that are extremists and part of AQ is treason..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    we are not at war with anyone in pakistan, or any other country right now, its a "war on terrorism" the only legal place war is happening is Afghan right now, killing anyone else anywhere else especially, that does not meet the ROE is murder. by drone or ground soldier.. ESPECIALLY AN AMERICAN CITIZEN WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. funneling money to those that are extremists and part of AQ is treason..
    Agreed - the comment I would add is that it does not matter if it is a US/Canadian/UK/Pakistan as we are all equal and there can be no excuse.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    Agreed - the comment I would add is that it does not matter if it is a US/Canadian/UK/Pakistan as we are all equal and there can be no excuse.
    i would agree, and the world would agree, but singling out the fact that one was american is guaranteed murder and no way around that- unless the guy had a switch in his hand finger on the trigger ect. but that wasnt the case

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    my comments started about the irish $#@! and she is a $#@!. if you don't understand that you are the one who can not handle the truth...actually perhaps that just means you can't read.
    THe fact of the matter is that she is 100% correct in her statements. You don't like her, and I don't give a turd. Our government is out of control, and what LM mentioned is correct about the killing of American Citizens without due process
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    THe fact of the matter is that she is 100% correct in her statements. You don't like her, and I don't give a turd. Our government is out of control, and what LM mentioned is correct about the killing of American Citizens without due process
    Correct. $#@! or not, what she said is correct and I admire the courage she showed in standing up and stating it all. Too bad nobody in our own Congress has the balls to match and do the same thing. Ron Paul was the only one that has come close, and he was a lone wolf.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    THe fact of the matter is that she is 100% correct in her statements. You don't like her, and I don't give a turd. Our government is out of control, and what LM mentioned is correct about the killing of American Citizens without due process
    Killing anyone (not just americans) without due process is wrong.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    we are not at war with anyone in pakistan, or any other country right now, its a "war on terrorism" the only legal place war is happening is Afghan right now, killing anyone else anywhere else especially, that does not meet the ROE is murder. by drone or ground soldier.. ESPECIALLY AN AMERICAN CITIZEN WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. funneling money to those that are extremists and part of AQ is treason..
    Just so everyone in this thread is clear, if we did things the way you are suggesting we would not have killed or captured Osama Bin laden. He was in Packistan so by your theory we should have not been there. So I ask you all does that make the world a better place or a worse place? OR do you all think its ok to kill him without due process?? Based on the comments you have all made there is 0 justification for this kill....

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    Correct. ecampbell can't handle the truth. I tried to positive rep you, but it says I need to spread the wealth. Like Obama. Click here to enlarge
    But unlike Obama you get what you put in. A millionaire paying huge amounts in taxes and a bum have the exact same voting power.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    But unlike Obama you get what you put in. A millionaire paying huge amounts in taxes and a bum have the exact same voting power.
    you think the rich should get a higher weighted vote??

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
    you think the rich should get a higher weighted vote??
    Absolutely. They have to pay more in taxes don't they? Everyone pay the same % and have the same vote then.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    Killing anyone (not just americans) without due process is wrong.
    Correct. Evil is evil in the eyes of those awake, but today Evil is good while good is evil in the eyes of the sheeple.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
    Correct. $#@! or not, what she said is correct and I admire the courage she showed in standing up and stating it all. Too bad nobody in our own Congress has the balls to match and do the same thing. Ron Paul was the only one that has come close, and he was a lone wolf.

    Yea he was the voice of the people, but the media silenced him.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    Yea he was the voice of the people, but the media silenced him.
    Just when I think you are a jerk you say something i agree with. Ron Paul is one of the few American politicians who understands how to balance domestic and foreign policy without being abrasive to the rest of the world.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    Just when I think you are a jerk you say something i agree with. Ron Paul is one of the few American politicians who understands how to balance domestic and foreign policy without being abrasive to the rest of the world.
    It's a discussion. Yes Ron Paul seems to be this countries last hope before Agenda 21 is complete.
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