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    The main point is regardless of make(sl, cls, clk, and or c), I have yet to see any Evosport independent m156 dynos that create as much rear wheel horsepower as MHP mod for mod!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@MHP Click here to enlarge
    The main point is regardless of make(sl, cls, clk, and or c), I have yet to see any Evosport independent m156 dynos that create as much rear wheel horsepower as MHP mod for mod!
    This is true.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
    it's easier to screw up a M156 head than it is to improve it when porting.
    Ive seen techs ruin a good engine by putting too much sealant on the valve cover surface...blocks an oil port and bye bye head...doesnt take that much to do the job and it seems like I could group these evosport guys in with those tech LOL

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jrcart
    Are you going to attend the October MIR event (assuming there is one)? I will be there if you want to run an evosport tuned car but I'm affraid your 11.47 won't hold water even if I unplug the botttle. You had better be able to put down consistant 11.1s NA if you want to stand a chance in hell in beating me.
    Now Jim is in on the Evosport cover up despite talking to me on the phone yesterday and again telling me what parts were on the car and from what vendor. Headers, Catback, Pulley. The car is in no way shape or form tuned by Evosport/PC. Jim you know you're lying out your ass, your mods have already been documented, covering for Brad is making you look bad.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
    Now Jim is in on the Evosport cover up despite talking to me on the phone yesterday and again telling me what parts were on the car and from what vendor. Headers, Catback, Pulley. The car is in no way shape or form tuned by Evosport/PC. Jim you know you're lying out your ass, your mods have already been documented, covering for Brad is making you look bad.
    I don't understand, Jim has never posted an 11.1 NA, has he?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I don't understand, Jim has never posted an 11.1 NA, has he?
    No.

    He says he won't post any slips or vids until someone breaks his overall record. He's also committed to run with us at MIR this Nov.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge

    He says he won't post any slips or vids until someone breaks his overall record.
    Why? That makes no sense. Everyone knows what is done to the car, it isn't running 11.1 NA.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
    No.

    He says he won't post any slips or vids until someone breaks his overall record. He's also committed to run with us at MIR this Nov.

    I love the drama that this place has! I really do!

    BTW you have a NOV MIR rental? details plz!?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Why? That makes no sense. Everyone knows what is done to the car, it isn't running 11.1 NA.
    I'll leave that to Jim to publicly disclose it's his car, but everyone behind the scenes knows already as you stated, I just hope he doesn't try and say they are the H/C that came with the car...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    I love the drama that this place has! I really do!

    BTW you have a NOV MIR rental? details plz!?
    I know Ahmad is working on one in Oct and Nov, we're looking to do another in Nov (just to capitalize as much as possible on the weather) and get Keith's car up to MIR for once. I will post details as soon as we finalize a date--working with Ahmad so we don't schedule back to back weekends, etc.


    Thanks

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    save me a spot, i just wanna watch DADC63 run Click here to enlarge

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    Guys, wanted to just set a couple things straight in the desire to provide accurate information.

    Evosport does in fact have the in-house machines/tools to produce headers and other hardware pieces. In order to set the record straight, I have been invited to take photos of the hardware tools at the shop which should prove it. In the interest of providing the most accurate information possible to our users, I intend to do exactly that.

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    Hi all!

    Brad from evosport here. I refuse to engage in a "gutter war" with Andy as it will lower us to that level. However, anyone that wants the truth is free to visit or call anyone here at evosport anytime. We do in fact build the 63 headers in house COMPLETE. We do not outsource them - PERIOD. I have invited Sticky to visit and see the jigs, tools and process anytime.

    We do 90% of what we sell in house, the rest we outsource to the best in the business. Any tuner that says they do it all is lying or intentionally misleading his customers. As for engines, we have and do build the majority of the motors we sell in house. In fact, we have track record holding BMW race motors in cars across the country. We do outsource some of our motor builds and do not hide that fact to the customers when that is the case. There are times when you need a specialist (just like medicine or law or many other professions).

    We will be having an open house for our new 15,000 sq. ft. performance center in the next 30 days, we will make sure Sticky posts the info. Everyone is welcome to come and verify for themselves what we do and don't do! =)

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    If i was local i would stop by. hi 5 to not getting into the gutter war
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by brad @ evosport Click here to enlarge
    Hi all!

    Brad from evosport here. I refuse to engage in a "gutter war" with Andy as it will lower us to that level. However, anyone that wants the truth is free to visit or call anyone here at evosport anytime. We do in fact build the 63 headers in house COMPLETE. We do not outsource them - PERIOD. I have invited Sticky to visit and see the jigs, tools and process anytime.

    We do 90% of what we sell in house, the rest we outsource to the best in the business. Any tuner that says they do it all is lying or intentionally misleading his customers. As for engines, we have and do build the majority of the motors we sell in house. In fact, we have track record holding BMW race motors in cars across the country. We do outsource some of our motor builds and do not hide that fact to the customers when that is the case. There are times when you need a specialist (just like medicine or law or many other professions).

    We will be having an open house for our new 15,000 sq. ft. performance center in the next 30 days, we will make sure Sticky posts the info.
    Brad
    This sounds perfectly reasonable.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
    Now Jim is in on the Evosport cover up despite talking to me on the phone yesterday and again telling me what parts were on the car and from what vendor. Headers, Catback, Pulley. The car is in no way shape or form tuned by Evosport/PC. Jim you know you're lying out your ass, your mods have already been documented, covering for Brad is making you look bad.
    Isn't jrcart the guy who was a huge MHP cheerleader, saying how much he liked the product, until one day he went to a track day in California (he's from Chicago, right?) and suddenly he posted about how much he hates MHP? And then it came out that his car was in the hands of Evosport? And if I understand correctly, evosport actually controls (formerly owned, until Internet Brands came along) MBW? That's a $#@!ing joke if it's true, how can anyone believe anything that gets posted on that forum if it's owned by a shop? That would be like if ESS owned the moderators Bimmerpost. Oh, wait...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fstop7 Click here to enlarge
    And if I understand correctly, evosport actually owns MBW? That's a $#@!ing joke if it's true, how can anyone believe anything that gets posted on that forum if it's owned by a shop? That would be like if ESS owned the moderators Bimmerpost. Oh, wait...
    I really like the last part of your post Click here to enlarge

    Regarding the status of MBW, Evosport started MBW. The site was sold to Internet Brands who is the current owner. A variety of shops are on MBW but MHP is not allowed on there.

    Andy states it is due to conflict over the same potential customers with Evosport so he believes he was "forced out" in a sense.

    I do agree that a shop owning a forum does create a conflict that but that is also the appealing marketing aspect of it. Forums are powerful, and once they get as large as MBworld they can make or break someone's business. So you can understand the frustration of MHP but also Evosport is no longer in full control of the forum itself. Is there still an influence? It is undeniable but if that influence is responsible for the current situation we leave up to you to decide for yourself.

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    I guess my question would be - is Brad @ evosport an admin on MBW? If so that's a huge conflict of interest and based on that I would discard anything that was posted on that forum as being unreliable information.

    I'm sure evosport builds its own headers or whatever. But I couldn't trust anything that gets posted on MBW because there is no way for a regular user to tell how the things I read are or are not being manipulated by those with admin rights.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fstop7 Click here to enlarge
    I guess my question would be - is Brad @ evosport an admin on MBW?
    Yes.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fstop7 Click here to enlarge
    I'm sure evosport builds its own headers or whatever. But I couldn't trust anything that gets posted on MBW because there is no way for a regular user to tell how the things I read are or are not being manipulated by those with admin rights.
    There are those that express the same concern.

    I will say that Brad has treated me fairly in all my business dealings with him.

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    Just wanted to add that I am personally not above bribery and I will gladly sing the praises of Evosport across all forums in exchange for a set of S85 headers, gratis.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fstop7 Click here to enlarge
    Just wanted to add that I am personally not above bribery and I will gladly sing the praises of Evosport across all forums in exchange for a set of S85 headers, gratis.
    Hahahah, you learn the tuning business quickly.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fstop7 Click here to enlarge
    Just wanted to add that I am personally not above bribery and I will gladly sing the praises of Evosport across all forums in exchange for a set of S85 headers, gratis.
    Thanks for the smile - nice way to end Friday! lol

    To clarify, Simon Atik and myself (both founders of evosport) started MBWorld BEFORE we started evosport. They were and always have been separate entities. People can believe what they want, I cannot and will not try to prove a fact (a fact is a fact regardless of perception). I am an Admin on the site since the sale, but I do not make key decisions (by choice and design of Internet Brands). Of course we have a preferential arrangement as a sponsor due to our dedication to the site after building it for 10+ years. However, there are many other competitors of evosport on MBW, and all live happily together. MHP was banned from ALL the Internet Brands sites, FYI, not just MBW, and it was a decision made from the top of the food chain at that public company. Realize, this is not a bunch of kids in their garage, IB is a huge multi-national public corporation. If anyone understands that, it means they cannot play games.

    If you choose to "ignore" everything posted on that site, then you are being naive and missing a lot of good information. But that is certainly your right, and I respect that while I don't agree.

    As Sticky posted, we have and do treat people fairly. He was an early dev customer for us with his M3. He will clearly agree that we always were honest, upfront, ethical, professional and timely with him. Simply put, we did what we agreed to do everytime. I even loaned him drag wheels on multiple occasions without thinking about asking for any money. Get to know us, and you will see the type of people we are. We don't have to be overly aggressive on the sites or pound or chests all the time, we just prefer to continue to build our business and treat people the right way!

    Thanks again for the smile! =)

    thanks
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by brad @ evosport Click here to enlarge
    Hi all!

    Brad from evosport here. I refuse to engage in a "gutter war" with Andy as it will lower us to that level. However, anyone that wants the truth is free to visit or call anyone here at evosport anytime. We do in fact build the 63 headers in house COMPLETE. We do not outsource them - PERIOD. I have invited Sticky to visit and see the jigs, tools and process anytime.

    We do 90% of what we sell in house, the rest we outsource to the best in the business. Any tuner that says they do it all is lying or intentionally misleading his customers. As for engines, we have and do build the majority of the motors we sell in house. In fact, we have track record holding BMW race motors in cars across the country. We do outsource some of our motor builds and do not hide that fact to the customers when that is the case. There are times when you need a specialist (just like medicine or law or many other professions).

    We will be having an open house for our new 15,000 sq. ft. performance center in the next 30 days, we will make sure Sticky posts the info. Everyone is welcome to come and verify for themselves what we do and don't do! =)

    thanks
    Brad
    Brad MBW is the gutter it is because of you and the way the site is run, you are the master of spin, deletion, censorship, and flat out BS. You have ZERO track results for your performance parts and fall back on ridiculous excuses such as: "our customers road race", "only 5% of MB/AMG owners drag race" (that may be true but why don't you have ANY results posted?) MIR October 22nd, we'll have 6-7 63 AMGs there with mods ranging from a simple tune to Keith's car, I won't hold my breath for an Evosport anything to show up.

    I'm still waiting on pics of the bender, end former, swedger, etc that you have in house. jigs and fixtures are NOT machinery you need to design and fabricate a complete set of headers or an exhaust in-house.

    You don't outsource to the best in the business because we don't invoice you. We hold multiple world records ranging from NHRA and IHRA to SCCA. Motors of all different types from blown alcohol funny car motors to 8700rpm Ford 5.4/4Vs, 233HP/L N/A 1.5L bike motors, to the most powerful and quickest/fastest M156s in the world--but you knew that last bit already. What you outsource we do ourselves, and our abilities are simply not comparable, end of story.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fstop7 Click here to enlarge
    Isn't jrcart the guy who was a huge MHP cheerleader, saying how much he liked the product, until one day he went to a track day in California (he's from Chicago, right?) and suddenly he posted about how much he hates MHP? And then it came out that his car was in the hands of Evosport? And if I understand correctly, evosport actually controls (formerly owned, until Internet Brands came along) MBW? That's a $#@!ing joke if it's true, how can anyone believe anything that gets posted on that forum if it's owned by a shop? That would be like if ESS owned the moderators Bimmerpost. Oh, wait...
    Yes. He ran both is N/A and nitrous records with Dave's tuning (my old tuner) and is now running anything but a PC tune. I die laughing when Brad claims to have tuned his car (middling seats and wheels doesn't cut it) when it only has their headers/modified OEM catback, and pulley on it.

    The rest of what you posted is 100% true. The way the site is run is in a single word: Pathetic.

    I guess you have to do what you have to do when you can't compete fairly.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by brad @ evosport Click here to enlarge
    As Sticky posted, we have and do treat people fairly. He was an early dev customer for us with his M3. He will clearly agree that we always were honest, upfront, ethical, professional and timely with him. Simply put, we did what we agreed to do everytime. I even loaned him drag wheels on multiple occasions without thinking about asking for any money. Get to know us, and you will see the type of people we are. We don't have to be overly aggressive on the sites or pound or chests all the time, we just prefer to continue to build our business and treat people the right way!
    This is all true. Very friendly, helpful, and you guys did great work. Never had to hold your hands, what I wanted done was done when it was supposed to be done. I want to make sure I make it clear I appreciate all the effort Evosport put in and the group of guys working there are courteous and excellent at what they do. I would not hesitate to recommend the shop, and, as you very well know, I have. I also continue to do so, even here, as I feel I can stand by your work.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by brad @ evosport Click here to enlarge
    To clarify, Simon Atik and myself (both founders of evosport) started MBWorld BEFORE we started evosport.
    My numbers may be off, but this is my understanding. Evosport was started in 1999 I believe. Mbworld has existed since 2001 unless I am mistaken. Wouldn't that make it the other way around?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by brad @ evosport Click here to enlarge
    If you choose to "ignore" everything posted on that site, then you are being naive and missing a lot of good information. But that is certainly your right, and I respect that while I don't agree.
    There is a lot of good information there in the same way bimmerpost has a lot of good information. MBworld is actually better but what plauges it is the same issue that plagues bimmerpost which is censorship and backroom vendor deals. I have experienced the censorship myself but this is not your fault. I was a member for 8 years so I assure you I am not just speaking based on what Andy has said. You can't be held accountable for the actions of all the moderators and there are a couple who should not be in that position. A guy named Phil (nlpamg) would be just one I am specifically referring to. My belief is that mods should be rotated and not get too comfortable as they are working for the users, not the other way around. That is a bit off topic though Click here to enlarge

    I commend you and Simon on MBworld as it is the largest, most successful Mercedes forum out there and that is thanks to your effort. However, I think many of the criticisms are valid. Since it has gotten so large and no longer is your "baby" so to speak, it has become a large, almost soulless entity geared toward capitalism over community. This last sentence would be where the effect on MHP is most felt and what has pushed them into their current situation.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by brad @ evosport Click here to enlarge
    Thanks for the smile - nice way to end Friday! lol

    To clarify, Simon Atik and myself (both founders of evosport) started MBWorld BEFORE we started evosport. They were and always have been separate entities. People can believe what they want, I cannot and will not try to prove a fact (a fact is a fact regardless of perception). I am an Admin on the site since the sale, but I do not make key decisions (by choice and design of Internet Brands). Of course we have a preferential arrangement as a sponsor due to our dedication to the site after building it for 10+ years. However, there are many other competitors of evosport on MBW, and all live happily together. MHP was banned from ALL the Internet Brands sites, FYI, not just MBW, and it was a decision made from the top of the food chain at that public company. Realize, this is not a bunch of kids in their garage, IB is a huge multi-national public corporation. If anyone understands that, it means they cannot play games.

    If you choose to "ignore" everything posted on that site, then you are being naive and missing a lot of good information. But that is certainly your right, and I respect that while I don't agree.

    As Sticky posted, we have and do treat people fairly. He was an early dev customer for us with his M3. He will clearly agree that we always were honest, upfront, ethical, professional and timely with him. Simply put, we did what we agreed to do everytime. I even loaned him drag wheels on multiple occasions without thinking about asking for any money. Get to know us, and you will see the type of people we are. We don't have to be overly aggressive on the sites or pound or chests all the time, we just prefer to continue to build our business and treat people the right way!

    Thanks again for the smile! =)

    thanks
    Brad

    The false notion that IB runs Brad is simply that, another lie. Brad does what he wants, as does Simon and the rest of the staff. IB doesn't care because it's the largest MB/AMG site and there is presently no competition.

    There are some knowledgeable members on MBW, however the vast majority can't change their own oil. Brad falls into this category as well. Loves to brag about his MBA/JD but couldn't degree an OHC to save his life. Brad, pick up a thesaurus and find a synonym for aggressive you've absolutely burned it out.

    If I ran MBW I wouldn't have to be aggressive either, as I've learned by watching you post/thread deletion and censorship along incessantly plugging your own mediocre to poorly performing products while simultaneously knocking clearly superior products from a competitor is CLASSY!!!

    I look forward to seeing you over here more often. Might want to do some wrist rolls as you'll be doing a lot more spinning when members aren't worried about being banned for posting their experiences with you.

    We'll keep setting records and building world class hardware to pair with our world class software, you keep trying to discredit us. You think it's working? LOL...

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