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    Powerchip, For the Loss, Again...

    Wayne, you want to talk TCU tuning, come on over...That's right, you can't because you're banned (for a legit reason): Posting libel and defamatory statements against other tuners, because you can't tune anything to save your life and your former tuner left you like a dump on the sidewalk.

    Next time you call someone out, try it on a forum in which they can answer you. Click here to enlarge

    You can chew on this in the meantime:

    Keith Brantley’s Stage 3 C63, 11.24@124.32mph in the mile, and 180.73mph in the standing mile; for sake of comparison a Porsche Carrera GT went 178mph and two 2010 ZR1s went 179mph at the same Top Gun Run. World’s Quickest and Fastest C63 AMG 1/8th mile, mile, Standing Mile, 60-130 (8.46 seconds), 0-60 (3.35 seconds), 0-100 (7.75 seconds):

    http://tintprotector.com/blog/worlds...ord-run-video/

    Keith’s car burning out before the 11.24@124.32 run:



    Keith’s car taking the Win on PINKS ALL OUT:



    At the Mile:

    http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/KeithC63MiamiMile.jpg

    At Sebring International Raceway 8/14/10, laying down a 2:37 lap on his first trip to the track:









    Gulf Customer with S2 C63 and a straight road, they will go 207MPH in S2
    (Filters, Tuning, Headers, T-stat) trim:

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    Mike Conforti’s Stage 2 C63, the Second Quickest/Fastest C63 AMG in the World 11.47@123.18 with our headers/tuning/DRs/Filters:

    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...d-11.47-123.18

    Hagi Djencic’s Stage 2 C63, the Third Quickest/Fastest C63 AMG in the World 11.56@121.38 again with our headers/tuning/DRs/Filters—and the rest of our clients:

    http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...ag-Racing.html

    The only tune (v3 CDT)/DR only C63 to ever run 11s in the 1/4, also the world's fastest tune only C63 in the standing mile 172.1mph, Jim Barnhill:



    A v3 CDT/Filter only C63 in China taking the win on the Guandong Circuit, 9 seconds per lap ahead of the 2nd place E90 M3:

    http://www.modi-auto.com.cn/html/Rac...176/index1.htm

    Jeff Bertch’s MHP Stage 2 (with cats) C63 on the dyno for Turn 10, soon to appear as an add on car in Forza 3 for Xbox 360:

    http://jalopnik.com/5478591/inside-f...yline=true&s=i

    “The stock C63 is not a quiet car, but this one was absolutely insane — it was thick, crackly, and mean, as if the entire state of Alabama had been crossbred with a DTM car and an angry bull moose. Earplugs with a 20-decibel cut were not enough. Small children were sterilized. A week later, my ears still hurt. Caviezel called it "one of the best engine recordings I've ever heard."

    MHP is the only tuner in the world to have not 1, but 4 tune and DR only C63 AMGs running 11 second mile ETs:

    1) MHP’s own 2009 C63 AMG

    2) Jim Barnhill, c63beastdriver on MBW

    3) Mike Conforti, dodger63 on MBW

    4) Matthew Zapantis, malooamg on MBW

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    Heh, damn, did I miss something?

    Were some shots volleyed at you on mbworld?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Heh, damn, did I miss something?

    Were some shots volleyed at you on mbworld?
    Yes Wayne took 2 pot shots at MHP one in Keiths' 622 HP thread, and in another he started spawned off that thread is questioning our ability to tune TCU parameters.

    Basically the same attack Evo/PC used to get us banned from MBW, even though MKB, FD, and even PC themselves have claimed TCU tuning for 7Gs.

    Also, CDT/Complete Driveline Tuning is trademarked...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
    and in another he started spawned off that thread is questioning our ability to tune TCU parameters.
    He has told me that he feels this is just marketing by you.
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    Hey Andy,
    Hate to correct you but as of this am the latest 60-130 is 7.29!! hehehehehehehehe
    Current:
    2011 R8 V10 NA - PRS/APR tune and many weight saving mods. Click here to enlarge
    1/4 mile: 10.945 @ 131.77mph on a 1.77 60' - Bradenton Motorsports 1/18/2014.

    GONE:
    2009 C63 - Complete MHP Package and a few other mods.
    N/A: 1/4 mile - 10.80@ 129.06mph (OSW 3/5/2012)
    Nitrous 200 shot 1/4 mile - 10.133 @ 139.77mph (Bradenton - 3/22/2012)
    N/A: One Mile TopGunRun in Miami March 14th 2010 - 180.73mph (V-Box verified)
    Nitrous 200 shot: 60-130mph - 5.98 (V-Box verified)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    He has told me that he feels this is just marketing by you.
    See post #1 for marketing Click here to enlarge That's all we need, objective customer results, and it also happens to be something they have none of other than 12 second slips.

    Anyone that's ever driven a v3 CDT tuned car will tell you the difference in shift quality at both part and WOT; including many former powerchip customers. I guess if you're still looking for a DAMOS file for an engine that was first out in 2006 you're probably in trouble at this point?

    We've had a standing offer to race anyone anytime with comparable cars. Offer still stands Wayne, run your car, not your mouth (stole that line from Ahmad Click here to enlarge).

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dads C63 Click here to enlarge
    Hey Andy,
    Hate to correct you but as of this am the latest 60-130 is 7.29!! hehehehehehehehe
    Keith,

    I'm waiting for a 100% nitrous result, though running 7.29 on 50% air 50% nitrous is still pretty damn impressive! Click here to enlarge

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    I'm working on it. Gotta pick the right times. hehehehehehe
    Current:
    2011 R8 V10 NA - PRS/APR tune and many weight saving mods. Click here to enlarge
    1/4 mile: 10.945 @ 131.77mph on a 1.77 60' - Bradenton Motorsports 1/18/2014.

    GONE:
    2009 C63 - Complete MHP Package and a few other mods.
    N/A: 1/4 mile - 10.80@ 129.06mph (OSW 3/5/2012)
    Nitrous 200 shot 1/4 mile - 10.133 @ 139.77mph (Bradenton - 3/22/2012)
    N/A: One Mile TopGunRun in Miami March 14th 2010 - 180.73mph (V-Box verified)
    Nitrous 200 shot: 60-130mph - 5.98 (V-Box verified)

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    I'll just go ahead and leave this here.

    http://autospeed.com.au/cms/title_Au...2/article.html

    http://autospeed.com/cms/title_AutoS...8/article.html

    This is my favorite part:

    AutoSpeed: What's one of those sorts of cars for which it is impossible to get power from and which you don't offer a chip?

    Wayne Besanko:(7 second pause) There's probably a handful of cars that are very difficult to obtain power from, but still small gains are possible. In particular, on part throttle, the most difficult cars to get power from are Porsche 993 RSCS, BMW M3 3 litre and probably Range Rover 3.9.

    AutoSpeed: Do you offer chips for those vehicles?

    Wayne Besanko: Yeah we do, for the benefits that we receive from them. So if we look at a BMW M3 3 litre, our Powerchip offers a twelve kilowatt increase in power. As a percentage of the overall car which is 210 kilowatts, that's roughly say five percent. What we say is, if the benefit to the customer is worthwhile then they should consider purchasing our product. If the customer wants twelve kilowatts from us from our chip, that's one point, but it also has other benefits as well. We raise the rev limit to the level that the customer specifies, we smooth out the transition between part throttle and full throttle, we remove an inherent problem of backfiring on cold start - on trailing throttle which causes a misfire or a backfire, we remove the speed limit if necessary, we change the VANOS camshaft timing to give more power down low, and if all of those benefits to the customer (makes) them perceive that it is worthwhile purchasing our product - then they do. So a chip is more than just kilowatts at the flywheel or at the wheels.

    AutoSpeed: But isn't this the car that you nominated that in fact you didn't sell a chip for because it didn't give an effective power gain?

    Wayne Besanko: No it's not. The cars that I mentioned are ones that a minimal power gain can be had from.

    AutoSpeed: So back to my original question, what is a car for which you believe you can get no power gain, and therefore you do not offer a chip for?

    Wayne Besanko: It would probably be a McLaren F1. The car pings on normal premium unleaded which means that.. well even then it's possible to get some benefits from that (chip) because it would stop pinging. It depends on what the customer wants. That's a car that would be very difficult to get (more) power on full throttle from.

    AutoSpeed: So there is no car that you believe will not benefit from a chip? .since you haven't been able to name one.

    Wayne Besanko: No, none come to mind at the moment.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fstop7 Click here to enlarge
    I'll just go ahead and leave this here.
    Very nice find, interesting stuff.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by WayneBesanko
    Can it really be that hard to determine if you car has the torque limit raised.

    Consumers hear a lot about CDT and ECU/TCU, and the torque limit I have mentioned is contained in the code for the engine control unit.

    I can confirm that Powerchip knows where the torque limit is, and that it can be raised on request.
    This is absolutely hilarious. Wayne, if you're going to try and call me out, first stop using my federal trademark (CDT), then go back and fire whoever told you there was ONE/SINGLE torque limiter in the ECU. Please for the love of everyone, at least have a basic grasp of the concept of whatever it is you're trying to "discuss" with me by yourself (we call that a monologue in the U.S.)

    Standing offer is still on the table, we'll race you anywhere anytime with a similarly equipped vehicle. You pick the car, we'll drag you down the track. You can probably feel the difference in shifting through the tow cable...

    Thanks

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    One follow up question, that is IF I may have a second of your time, where are all the 11 second PC tuned cars???

    A: There aren't any.

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    I can't believe my eyes...In another new thread on MBW 204 Powerchip is now asking for a P31 test car to read out the factory tune to replicate. Some would call that IP theft, like 99.9% of software engineers out there.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Powerchip
    Powerchip is looking for a boardmember that would like to assist us in obtaining a reading of the stock P31 engine ECU.

    Our aim is to offer a new option for C63 customers that are looking for a calibration that has factory ignition and fuel mapping, but includes just the changes Mercedes makes to the throttle opening (and other as yet unknown changes to what is changed on the P31 calibration).

    Our facility is in Costa Messa, if anyone is within driving distance, it would really help us being able to read the car.

    There is no obligation to purchase an upgrade for the car, we just want to read the car.

    We would provide a free dyno run on a dynojet dyno that car be shared with boardmembers.

    UMMMM, here's the kicker.

    If you have REAL remapping/tuning for non P31 cars, YOU DON'T NEED A P31 to read out and steal the factory MB/AMG tune from.

    Congratulations to Powerchip for publicly admitting they don't have control of even the most basic maps, Again...Click here to enlargeClick here to enlargeClick here to enlarge

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    I should add that I was a PC customer and was satisfied with my tune, in all fairness to Powerchip. My concern has been more with what has transpired behind the scenes.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fstop7 Click here to enlarge
    I should add that I was a PC customer and was satisfied with my tune, in all fairness to Powerchip. My concern has been more with what has transpired behind the scenes.
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    All I had to read was the interview with Wayne to know the guy is a complete scoundrel and that you can not trust a word from his mouth.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fstop7 Click here to enlarge
    I should add that I was a PC customer and was satisfied with my tune, in all fairness to Powerchip. My concern has been more with what has transpired behind the scenes.
    Alot of us were happy with tunes when a certain person was working there. Now the quality of work, or lack of competent tuners has reered it's ugly head.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
    Alot of us were happy with tunes when a certain person was working there. Now the quality of work, or lack of competent tuners has reered it's ugly head.
    I think we all agree that's probably the underlying reason Wayne is lashing out so much lately. He's just pissed off at the world because he was too lazy to run his business properly.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
    .That's right, you can't because you're banned (for a legit reason): Posting libel and defamatory statements against other tuners
    Just wanted to say, Wayne isn't banned, he is reading this right now. Powerchip has been stripped of vendor status partially due to what you mentioned.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSpiredM3 Click here to enlarge
    All I had to read was the interview with Wayne to know the guy is a complete scoundrel and that you can not trust a word from his mouth.
    Seemed the interviewer was grilling him and there was something behind the scenes that went on that we don't know about. He didn't come off as a scoundrel to me.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Just wanted to say, Wayne isn't banned, he is reading this right now. Powerchip has been stripped of vendor status partially due to what you mentioned.
    Thanks for the correction Sticky. Nice to know he's afraid to reply on a level playing field.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
    I can't believe my eyes...In another new thread on MBW 204 Powerchip is now asking for a P31 test car to read out the factory tune to replicate. Some would call that IP theft, like 99.9% of software engineers out there.
    I'm no software engineer, nor a lawyer, but my first thought was along that same line. At the very least, it just seems immoral/unethical - or just plain lazy. My second thought was: if PC just reads/writes P31 code for non-P31 cars... well, frankly, any tuner could offer that to customers if they wanted to. So, if PC has some success and sells a couple "P31 replica" tunes - it'll just be a race to the bottom (price-wise) when some others jump into that market. How much do you really think it could be sold for? Maybe $500 initially, and then quickly drop off to around 200 bucks? I guess it's almost pure profit since nothing had to be developed (AMG took care of that), but it still seems weird to me.

    You may note, though, that my opinion of that on MBW 204 AMG was a minority one - a few C63 owners thought it was a brilliant idea... go figure.

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    Andy, OT - but how's the black vehicle treating you? I'm not talking about the truck...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
    I'm no software engineer, nor a lawyer, but my first thought was along that same line. At the very least, it just seems immoral/unethical - or just plain lazy. My second thought was: if PC just reads/writes P31 code for non-P31 cars... well, frankly, any tuner could offer that to customers if they wanted to. So, if PC has some success and sells a couple "P31 replica" tunes - it'll just be a race to the bottom (price-wise) when some others jump into that market. How much do you really think it could be sold for? Maybe $500 initially, and then quickly drop off to around 200 bucks? I guess it's almost pure profit since nothing had to be developed (AMG took care of that), but it still seems weird to me.

    You may note, though, that my opinion of that on MBW 204 AMG was a minority one - a few C63 owners thought it was a brilliant idea... go figure.
    Per usual, nail on head.

    It was extremely bold of them to just come on and say we want to read out a factory tune to replicate and sell. Blew my mind lol.

    You are also right about them simply crafting their own P31 tune from a regular tuned C63 file, if they had real working remapping that delivered they would be able to do so no question. I think this shows quite clearly the level PC is at with the 63s. The throttle body limitations are the first thing anyone changes when "tuning" a C63, actually we don't even call that tuning, it's eliminating the detune.

    Thanks for reading Wayne, please feel free to chime in whenever for a direct and mature discussion.

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    I was just re-reading the "What parameters..." thread on MBW, and sifting through all the posts, one excellent post stood out and seems intriguing.

    From harrower:

    Here is what i do know. All ECU tuning will be dead in 2013 when the new ECUs come online as they are completely encrypted. RSA encrypted ECUs with CPU lockout. No way to break these babies. None. This came from AMG themselves here in Europe when I met them last week.

    I've noticed that harrower seems very knowledgeable and forthright - any thoughts on this? Will people only have piggyback solutions available for "tuning," or perhaps even those wouldn't work?

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