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    2013 R231 SL65 AMG with updated M279 V12 tested - Pointless?

    The SL65 AMG served a purpose with the R230 SL generation as it offered a performance boost over the SL55 and SL63 AMG variants. With the R231 generation however the SL63 AMG received the twin turbo M157 motor making the M279 V12 somewhat redundant despite its 621 horsepower and 738 pound-feet of torque. The M157 powered SL63 AMG by contrast has an output 530 horsepower and 590 pound-feet of torque. This output rises to 550 horsepower and 663 pound-feet of torque with the optional Performance Package.

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    Yes, the updated M279 V12 in the SL65 AMG has more power and torque but the car also weighs about 230 pounds more with the majority of that weight coming on the nose. Is the weight penalty worth it? According to the handling and acceleration data from Car and Driver, no. The 1/4 mile comes by 11.8 seconds at 124 miles per hour. In other words, basically a wash with the Performance Package SL63 AMG which is lighter and $60k cheaper. Ouch.

    AMG updated the V12 but it's still a relatively ancient design. Low revving, SOHC, and just a stump puller versus the lighter, higher revving, and better breathing M157. BenzBoost hates to say it, but, the SL65 AMG just does not make sense any longer. Grab an SL63 AMG and save the pocketed change for some upgraded turbos. You'll have a more powerful and more fun car to drive.

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    @Sticky, Yes sure at the 1/4 mile both cars will be the same somewhat. However, if you really want to see the diffrence between an R231 SL65 and SL63 (both stock) have them both race from 60Km/hr roll on. I have seen it in my own eyes, the SL65 trashes the SL63 badly bro, no comparison.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
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    @Sticky , Yes sure at the 1/4 mile both cars will be the same somewhat. However, if you really want to see the diffrence between an R231 SL65 and SL63 (both stock) have them both race from 60Km/hr roll on. I have seen it in my own eyes, the SL65 trashes the SL63 badly bro, no comparison.
    According to the test numbers the SL63 is actually faster at those speeds. That is what Car and Driver states.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    According to the test numbers the SL63 is actually faster at those speeds. That is what Car and Driver states.

    Dont know what to say about that really. I have seen the opposite. I was also driving the SL65. On one run, the SL63 took the inital jump, but the SL65 still overtook it and pulled away. Its really a high end speed beast. Especially when you shift to fifth gear, its bye bye SL63Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
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    Dont know what to say about that really. I have seen the opposite. I was also driving the SL65. On one run, the SL63 took the inital jump, but the SL65 still overtook it and pulled away. Its really a high end speed beast. Especially when you shift to fifth gear, its bye bye SL63Click here to enlarge
    I don't know what to say either but the 1/4 mile times for both are pretty even:

    Thing is, in our testing the SL65 is not any quicker or faster than the Performance-package-equipped 557-hp SL63 AMG that costs roughly $60,000 less. Not to 60 mph (at 3.7 seconds, the SL65 is a tenth slower), not through the quarter (equal at 11.8 seconds at 124 mph), and not in top speed. Both cars are governed to 186 mph. In passing maneuvers, the SL65 is actually four-tenths slower than the SL63 from 30 to 50 and a half-second slower from 50 to 70 mph.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
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    Dont know what to say about that really. I have seen the opposite. I was also driving the SL65. On one run, the SL63 took the inital jump, but the SL65 still overtook it and pulled away. Its really a high end speed beast. Especially when you shift to fifth gear, its bye bye SL63Click here to enlarge
    The ones we saw racing...weren't they tuned?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
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    The ones we saw racing...weren't they tuned?
    That would definitely explain it.

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    That would definitely explain it.
    I just saw the SL65 owner a couple of hours. He only has 700 kilometers on his car and it's stock. I drove it and there was no fule cut-off. Not sure about the SL63, but it should be stock.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
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    I just saw the SL65 owner a couple of hours. He only has 700 kilometers on his car and it's stock. I drove it and there was no fule cut-off. Not sure about the SL63, but it should be stock.
    I see. According to the numbers the cars should be dead even and the M157 should have the better top end but both motors and cars are beasts. I just don't think the SL65 is worth the money over the SL63 stock, modded, etc.

    The V12 doesn't even really have more potential it has a fairly old design.

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    Yes indeed the SL65 was stock. I dont know about the SL63, but Im going to assume its stock also since the 65 completely destroyed it.


    Oh BTW, I slashed both of them with my SLSClick here to enlarge

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    How in the world does a stock SL65 destroy a stock SL63 with the performance package?

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    Such a depressing read, the V12 is a great engine but its too damn heavy, really doesn't have too impressive of a specific output anymore, and is just a little too lazy. There's been talk of a new quad cam V12 being in development for a while now, I think it's about time we see that. Can you imagine the 5.5 with four extra cylinders? My god. It would be a beast, probably appreciably more fuel efficient, and weigh less. And if it responded to mods like the V8...watch out.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leveraged sellout Click here to enlarge
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    Such a depressing read, the V12 is a great engine but its too damn heavy, really doesn't have too impressive of a specific output anymore, and is just a little too lazy. There's been talk of a new quad cam V12 being in development for a while now, I think it's about time we see that. Can you imagine the 5.5 with four extra cylinders? My god. It would be a beast, probably appreciably more fuel efficient, and weigh less. And if it responded to mods like the V8...watch out.
    It's heavy but it's also basically an old design. The M157 is just more modern and doesn't give me up much while offering more revs and less weight.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leveraged sellout Click here to enlarge
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    Such a depressing read, the V12 is a great engine but its too damn heavy, really doesn't have too impressive of a specific output anymore, and is just a little too lazy. There's been talk of a new quad cam V12 being in development for a while now, I think it's about time we see that. Can you imagine the 5.5 with four extra cylinders? My god. It would be a beast, probably appreciably more fuel efficient, and weigh less. And if it responded to mods like the V8...watch out.
    Where is this new motor talk?

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    Where is this new motor talk?
    Oh man...it died out a while ago. A bunch of guys on MBWorld were talking about it back in the day...there was talk of the 69 badge coming back, and maybe even the 73 badge. A few guys who had inside contacts at AMG said there were prototypes running around with quad cam V12s in these capacities. That kind of died out though. However, I do occasionally see references to a new quad cam V12 being developed. And at this rate, they absolutely must if they want to make a V12 that actually matters from the factory.

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    Oh man...it died out a while ago. A bunch of guys on MBWorld were talking about it back in the day...there was talk of the 69 badge coming back, and maybe even the 73 badge. A few guys who had inside contacts at AMG said there were prototypes running around with quad cam V12s in these capacities. That kind of died out though. However, I do occasionally see references to a new quad cam V12 being developed. And at this rate, they absolutely must if they want to make a V12 that actually matters from the factory.
    I honestly haven't seen anything about a new V12. The M279 is the latest V12 from Mercedes no news of anything else. I think Mercedes is planning to go smaller there were even rumors of them killing the V12 off entirely.

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    I honestly haven't seen anything about a new V12. The M279 is the latest V12 from Mercedes no news of anything else. I think Mercedes is planning to go smaller there were even rumors of them killing the V12 off entirely.
    Yeah it's been a while since I've heard anything about a new one. I hope they don't get rid of it but given the performance of the 5.5 it really isn't needed anymore. Hopefully they have some surprises coming.

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    Any one know if the upgrades they did to the new SL are form the SL65 blk?

    or have they taken it a step further?

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    Any one know if the upgrades they did to the new SL are form the SL65 blk?

    or have they taken it a step further?
    Step further: http://www.benzboost.com/content.php...us-M275&page=5

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    But how do you know if these were not carried over from the Black?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by zod Click here to enlarge
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    But how do you know if these were not carried over from the Black?
    Because the Black is M275 based.

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    From my research the new SL65 uses the M275-BS-Turbos and manifolds. Also different intercooler pump from Pierburg.

    At least at higher speeds on the Autobahn the new SL65 (stock) should be faster than SL63 (stock). Normally AMG sets the HP-figures in each model very carefully, not to disappoint the customers of the Top-Model.

    In my opinion the super-smooth and powerful V12 is a complete different car from the engine and also from the interiour and even don't need a launch control like the SL63. I don't think you will miss it in this car.

    On the other hand : Whats the worth of 0,1 or 0,2 sec. from 0-60 in real world driving? Don't think it is so important...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 65AMG Click here to enlarge
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    From my research the new SL65 uses the M275-BS-Turbos and manifolds. Also different intercooler pump from Pierburg.

    At least at higher speeds on the Autobahn the new SL65 (stock) should be faster than SL63 (stock). Normally AMG sets the HP-figures in each model very carefully, not to disappoint the customers of the Top-Model.

    In my opinion the super-smooth and powerful V12 is a complete different car from the engine and also from the interiour and even don't need a launch control like the SL63. I don't think you will miss it in this car.

    On the other hand : Whats the worth of 0,1 or 0,2 sec. from 0-60 in real world driving? Don't think it is so important...
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    According to Modding-Potential the M275/M279 is not that bad in my opinion. Only depends on money and find a good tuner who spend knowledge and love in these V12-Engines. It can be done. Maybe the market for BIG-Power is not big enough for these cars...


    Of course M157 guys have it easier, since many companies are developing on the Garrett based Engines now...

    Thanks for the welcome sticky...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 65AMG Click here to enlarge
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    According to Modding-Potential the M275/M279 is not that bad in my opinion. Only depends on money and find a good tuner who spend knowledge and love in these V12-Engines. It can be done. Maybe the market for BIG-Power is not big enough for these cars...


    Of course M157 guys have it easier, since many companies are developing on the Garrett based Engines now...

    Thanks for the welcome sticky...
    The V12 of course has capability but with the more modern design of the M157... well, it makes more sense especially considering how much lighter it is and how it revs higher.

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