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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I can't discudd this right nkw a foursome is going down in my suite. And im ar karoeke var
    Have fun bro Click here to enlarge sunglasses and Advil ! Hopefully no herpes meds just Advil :p

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    Have fun bro Click here to enlarge sunglasses and Advil ! Hopefully no herpes meds just Advil :p
    I just poured water on myself.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I just poured water on myself.
    Lmfao now your just wet and nothing was solved !! Pics or it didn't happen ! Hahaha get out of here and enjoy brudda sounds like one for the books

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    Who says n54 owners are jealous ? Lol I sold my M3 once I got my hands on a n54 lol.

    Ok here is what should happen. Some find a FBO M3 stroker or none stroker $#@! it can even have a ess 525 supercharger kit on it I don't care, any FBO M3 that wants to run my N54 in Cali put up or shut up I will drive to you and put it on video! I am calling every M3 FBO or supercharged 525 kits to run my FBO n54. Who's it gonna be?

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    "For whatever reason 335 owners in particular seem to really want to attack the E92 M3 perhaps in justification of their own purchase.". I think it's the other way around Click here to enlarge

    I see the 335i catching up with the M3 and coming up in front...faster start of the M3 does not mean "pulling".

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cstavaru Click here to enlarge
    "For whatever reason 335 owners in particular seem to really want to attack the E92 M3 perhaps in justification of their own purchase.". I think it's the other way around Click here to enlarge

    I see the 335i catching up with the M3 and coming up in front...faster start of the M3 does not mean "pulling".
    This thread shows it's not the other way around.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    This thread shows it's not the other way around.
    The fact that this thread was posted on the first page of the web site shows that it is the other way around Click here to enlarge

    And the M3 did not even win Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cstavaru Click here to enlarge
    The fact that this thread was posted on the first page of the web site shows that it is the other way around Click here to enlarge

    And the M3 did not even win Click here to enlarge
    This thread shows everything goes.

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    Tq multiplication blah blah blah....everyone that is serious about modding a m3 gets a blower...why? Bc on the street, without a blower, the e9x m3 isn't a fast car. This is the argument LM makes, and this is what I thought when I test drove a m3. We aren't talking about track performance, I'm talking about driving on the street.

    I cant bring myself to spend more money on a slower car. When BMW gets the next gen m3 on the street,it will be a different story.

    I find it funny that every time a conversation comes up about the m3 having no tq, people start whipping out graphs, tq multiplication, blah blah. Comparing the s65 to a z06, really? Click here to enlarge

    The bottom line is, when you step out of a fbo 335, and turn the key on a e9x m3....it just feels dull
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    yeah i saw that post... i'm not sure what you're trying to point out?

    re: gearing... we're talking 250~ft-lb from the M3 at 3.65:1 6MT, 3.15:1 DCT with shorter bag ratios.... and 335i we're looking more like 475ft-lb peak, 250ft-lb from 3250rpm, 350ft-lb at redline, lets go 400-425 average from 3500-redline... sooooo... 1309ft-lb average (not counting gearbox) from the 6MT N54 to 962.5 on a 6MT M3

    now gear ratios taken into account for M3:

    DCT: 4.780, 2.933, 2.153, 3.15 final drive - 3764, 2312, 1695
    6MT: 4.055, 2.386, 1.582, 3.65 final drive - 3700, 2177, 1443

    now N54:

    6mt: 4.06, 2.4, 1.58, 3.08 Final Drive - 5314, 3141.6, 2068.22

    so on what planet does an E9x M3 put down more torque to the ground than a properly modified N54 powered car?
    I clearly said stock for stock. I admitted that a PROPERLY tuned 335i will put more torque down to the wheels?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    Tq multiplication blah blah blah....everyone that is serious about modding a m3 gets a blower...why? Bc on the street, without a blower, the e9x m3 isn't a fast car. This is the argument LM makes, and this is what I thought when I test drove a m3. We aren't talking about track performance, I'm talking about driving on the street.

    I cant bring myself to spend more money on a slower car. When BMW gets the next gen m3 on the street,it will be a different story.

    I find it funny that every time a conversation comes up about the m3 having no tq, people start whipping out graphs, tq multiplication, blah blah. Comparing the s65 to a z06, really? Click here to enlarge

    The bottom line is, when you step out of a fbo 335, and turn the key on a e9x m3....it just feels dull
    So, gearing doesn't matter? Torque multiplication is not real? Are you serious?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    I totally get the whole torque multiplication thru gearing but I'm on the less popular side like lost marine and believe its still no substitute for real engine torque .. Look at the c63 it uses a pretty tall 2.82 final drive with similar individual gear ratios to the m3 . I own a c63 fbo minus headers( for another week or so until installed) and have gotten seat time in a dct m3 even with the gearing and final drive advantage the feeling of torque and pull is no comparison the c63 pushes you back much harder. And the fact I ran against a stock m3 when I was tune/filters only and blew it out of the water multiple times. I even pulled on a s85 v10 powered m6 pretty good that is a big dog version of the s65 (check my history I posted a video of the m6 pull and my YouTube Channel has 3 vids of it to show no fluke) I was also tune/ filters only. Just basing off my experience I'm no expert
    It's because you are feeling what is called "Jerk" - which is the derivative of Acceleration. Acceleration being the derivative of velocity - not that it matters to explain this.

    Basically the human body is extremely "in tune" to feel jerk, not acceleration. Every power pulse of a large displacement engine is felt as "pulling you back in the seat" - whereas in a M3, having less jerk (each pulse of the cylinder isn't producing as much Jerk (think of it like immediate shock) - it doesn't feel like this. Same with a Corvette vs. M3 in the graph - it certainly doesn't feel like this - as @bobS said, it "feels" dull. Don't trust your body, trust numbers.

    A good way to think about this - on earth you are ALWAYS subjected to feeling 1g of it's gravity... Do you ever notice it? No - until you fall down. You only noticed the immediate change in acceleration (falling down/jumping from plane) - this is Jerk.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    Basically the human body is extremely "in tune" to feel jerk, not acceleration. Every power pulse of a large displacement engine is felt as "pulling you back in the seat" - whereas in a M3, having less jerk (each pulse of the cylinder isn't producing as much Jerk (think of it like immediate shock) - it doesn't feel like this. Same with a Corvette vs. M3 in the graph - it certainly doesn't feel like this - as @bobS said, it "feels" dull. Don't trust your body, trust numbers.
    Absolutely, hence why a properly tuned FBO N54 will always trap significantly higher than a FBO S65. There is no arguing this.

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    LOL - yep, one way to look at that.

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    I think this is getting all over the place. The point of the argument/debate was that this video is possible. We showed LM's car running (basically stock) a 60-130 time (M3) of 10.76s - and then compared it against some 335i cars (Click here to enlarge) - some (most?) that would win - some (less?) that would lose.

    No one here is saying a 500-10000HP 335i is going to lose against a stock or FBO M3 - no one is saying this. The AVERAGE 335i - stock or FBO on pump gas - the one you run into 95% of the time on the road? That's a different story. That's all I am trying to say.

    Instead we are tossing around the fact that gearing doesn't matter (that is a C5 z06 with 405 HP in the graph btw), creating torque at the wheel numbers without factoring in RPM, etc... It's all over the place.

    Again, no one is saying the M3 is unbeatable here - I don't understand the fuss. Looking at roll on power, you can see that they CAN be pretty close - IF the 335i isn't tuned to "rape mode"... Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    So, gearing doesn't matter? Torque multiplication is not real? Are you serious?
    Of course gearing matters, and I fully understand how gearing affects acceleration. What matters TO ME is, unless my m3 has a suprecharger, I'm slower than a lot of performance cars on the market today and I paid more money. Again, that's what matters to me. If I wanted a car for the track, it's hard to beat a e92 m, but I want a car for the street and I want that rush of acceleration.
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    wow STICKY you have opened the PANDORA'S box AGAIN on this issue!! LOL!!!!!

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    Here's my favorite video on the M3/335i debate:



    It's an old but good one and so true in many ways!!!

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    Where do you live @Wannbm5 ? I didn't watch the video sorry if it states that in there..
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    It's cool for 335 owners to say "My car's faster than a M3."

    Whereas, "My M3 is faster than a 335" doesn't have the same appeal.

    However, "My M3 was beat by a 335" is a lot worse than "My 335 was beat by a M3."

    How $#@!ty would 335 and M3 owners feel if the 325 was faster?

    It's like the Game of Thrones. M3s are the Baratheons and 335s are the Lannisters. The Baratheons are supposed to be the King, but we all know who's really in charge Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    It's cool for 335 owners to say "My car's faster than a M3."

    Whereas, "My M3 is faster than a 335" doesn't have the same appeal.

    However, "My M3 was beat by a 335" is a lot worse than "My 335 was beat by a M3."

    How $#@!ty would 335 and M3 owners feel if the 325 was faster?

    It's like the Game of Thrones. M3s are the Baratheons and 335s are the Lannisters. The Baratheons are supposed to be the King, but we all know who's really in charge Click here to enlarge
    LOL repped.

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    I like how he has made it seem like the N54 owners are the ones making the attacks when this wannabem5 clown is the one putting up an incorrectly titled post and making a blanket statement that ALL stock M3's are faster than ALL FBO 335s... So dumb.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    I think this is getting all over the place. The point of the argument/debate was that this video is possible. We showed LM's car running (basically stock) a 60-130 time (M3) of 10.76s - and then compared it against some 335i cars (Click here to enlarge) - some (most?) that would win - some (less?) that would lose.

    No one here is saying a 500-10000HP 335i is going to lose against a stock or FBO M3 - no one is saying this. The AVERAGE 335i - stock or FBO on pump gas - the one you run into 95% of the time on the road? That's a different story. That's all I am trying to say.

    Instead we are tossing around the fact that gearing doesn't matter (that is a C5 z06 with 405 HP in the graph btw), creating torque at the wheel numbers without factoring in RPM, etc... It's all over the place.

    Again, no one is saying the M3 is unbeatable here - I don't understand the fuss. Looking at roll on power, you can see that they CAN be pretty close - IF the 335i isn't tuned to "rape mode"... Click here to enlarge
    Thats not what this original post was about. He's OUTRIGHT stating that stock m3's wipe the floor with stock turbo FBO 335's. Don't change this into something that its not.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by zeel Click here to enlarge
    trollololol
    I like how nobody in here has acknowledged us when we have some of the fastest n54 cars with stock turbos and typical bolt ons. Maybe that n54 car in the vid wasnt healthy? The n54 is pretty finicky sometimes.

    I respect the m3 tremendously, but in a straight line a fbo 335i is faster than a stock m3. 6mt, dct, xyz, lmnop, whatever. I've raced 5+ local e9x m3's from stock to bolt ons, all with the same result. Zeel and I would be happy to do it again in mexico if you find us an e9x m3 driver local to the DMV.

    would i still rather have the m3? yes i would. nothing about justifying my purchase lol. its the better overall car, no doubt, especially when it comes to handling. But straightline speed is just not its forte, unless you dump 10+ grand on a blower kit.

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