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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wannbm5 Click here to enlarge
    Well you can talk all you want. FBO M3's put down 400 whp which isn't the point since stock m3's beat a fbo 335 without methanol or e85 or upgraded turboes. The guy that does not usually argue does not comment on the video I posted or any other video that shows the same thing. So how do you explain the video I posted to keep it simple? THey both started in a good gear (I can see 3rd in the M3) and the 335 had a nice start, they were even with nobody jumping out and the m3 walks aawy until really high speeds where the 335 claws back for an instant.

    How people argue with video is absolutely amazing to me. I have walked many and most fbo 335's and only when they have meth or e85 do they take the lead. Whatever you 335 guys want to believe is fine. I though some evidence may get through to people but clearly its of no use. Turbo powah!!!!
    Whats your location? Plenty of 335 owners on this board that would love to educate you on the ass whooping a proper 335 would give you. ..and please say NE Florida, haven't had anyone to race in ages.
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    If in the DC/MD/NOVA area, I am down for some friendly comparo races.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by zeel Click here to enlarge
    If in the DC/MD/NOVA area, I am down for some friendly comparo races.
    +1 to that.
    Hell, OP if you're willing to run i'll give you the hit and a couple cars.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 135idct Click here to enlarge
    my car is 135i jb4 map2 without fmic raced many m3s all races from 50mph rpm at 5 full boost 14.5 psi
    pulled 2 to 2.5 car on fbo m3, the stock m3 i pulled 4 to 5 cars length.


    m3 is nothing without SC
    On 91 or 93 octane?

    I will give @Wannbm5 one thing, pump gas 335 to pump gas M3 the ass whooping the 335 gives isn't quite as much, but if the 335 is FBO and tuned properly it can make more than enough power to dispatch an M3. I vaguely remember a 91 octane, no meth, FBO car doing high 11s, will have to dig and see who it was.

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    If OP is in South Florida, ill be more than happy to play and spot a fbo m3 a couple of cars. Click here to enlarge

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    I'm gonna say 335i was in the wrong gear. With all the instant torque our 335's have the 335i should have jumped atleast a car or two off the start. You can clearly see the 335i has more power than the m3 by how it pulls it near the end. When have you heard of a stock turbo 335i pull hard up top, especially against the high revving m3 (if power is equal)? My 335i feels like it falls on its face top end so that m3 is slow to get pulled up top.

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    Anyone who knows me knows I am a freak about M3s... I will be the first to admit that a true/proper FBO 335i will run down a stock M3 with DCT; however, it's not as bad as anyone here is making it out.

    Looking at @LostMarine 60-130 MPH time of 10.76s (stock - however, has BMC air filters and exhaust cutouts) vs. this list: Click here to enlarge

    Here is his post on the runs: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...Personal-Best-)

    IT CAN be close, and the M3 CAN win - however, in most cases, I would say not.

    Point is, I think what we saw in the above video CAN happen - just usually doesn't.
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    Ohh it most definitely CAN happen. The M3 is great on the high end, and the DCT shifts super fast. But there's just so much else to account for... was the 335i on ACN 91? How much boost? I've raced my buddies SRT8 and camaro on maps 0, 1, 2, and 5 with all different kinds of fuel just for the sake of comparison and I'll tell you right now some combinations were losing, some were close, some would smoke him with nothing but the tune. What is incorrect is the OP's generalizations.

    Thus, he is a troll. So best to stop feeding the troll.

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    I have a confession… I repped him last night on my phone eagerly attempting a neg. I felt so bad and kept quiet until now as I could not take the guilt. Oh, I see someone else may have made a mistake also... don't let it eat you up inside.

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    I can find hundreds of videos of FBO 135i walking all day on m3's. Might be a different story on a track but in a straight line race FBO will beat a m3.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
    It was an April fools joke from 2009 or so.
    i saw a fresh article this year as far as i remember :/

    the M3 ute is real though, never going to be sold and such though.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by amclint Click here to enlarge
    On 91 or 93 octane?

    I will give @Wannbm5 one thing, pump gas 335 to pump gas M3 the ass whooping the 335 gives isn't quite as much, but if the 335 is FBO and tuned properly it can make more than enough power to dispatch an M3. I vaguely remember a 91 octane, no meth, FBO car doing high 11s, will have to dig and see who it was.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wannbm5 Click here to enlarge
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHzpPz56qN8

    This is a perfect representation of real world race between two well driven cars. A stock dct m3 will slowly walk a fbo 335 until really high speeds where they even out.

    A FBO m3 will put a buslenth or 2 more.

    I am not sure why 335 guys continue to say a stock 335 is as fast and a tuned is out of this world faster. Reality is not true. Unless you go RB's or run meth plus/minus e85, then your looking at an even race or the 335 winning
    Okay, well in the video I just watched (which is obviously different than the one you were watching), the M3 got the hit and still fell behind the 335.

    Also, I have have been reading up on the N54 for over 4 years and I have yet to ever see someone state that a STOCK 335i is as fast as a DCT M3. You would have to be legally retarded to say that.

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    Here is a video of me racing a supercharged E90 M3 when I had stock turbos... Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Here is a video of me racing a supercharged E90 M3 when I had stock turbos...
    I was trying to post this video and the stock video of the m3 and 135 drag race. Did that M3 miss a gear or something because that is a beating he took.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by josh135 Click here to enlarge
    I was trying to post this video and the stock video of the m3 and 135 drag race. Did that M3 miss a gear or something because that is a beating he took.
    Think that vid is bull$#@!... But a tuned 335/135 will absolutely take a m3. Look at the 1m, that car has a milder tune than a basic stg1 jb4 and it's the same speed as a stock m. The op needs to drive a fbo properly tuned 335, then he can see what all the fuss is about
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    Think that vid is bull$#@!... But a tuned 335/135 will absolutely take a m3. Look at the 1m, that car has a milder tune than a basic stg1 jb4 and it's the same speed as a stock m. The op needs to drive a fbo properly tuned 335, then he can see what all the fuss is about
    Whoa... A stock M3's 0-160 km/h time is over 1.5 seconds (~8-10 car lengths?) quicker than a 1M. The M3 has almost 100 horsepower on the 1M. An M3 with or without DCT is a sub 10s car to 160km/h (100 MPH) - the 1M is a 10.5s-10.8s car. That's a huge difference - and a true testament to how quick a car is. Straight line = 0-100 MPH, and they aren't close... Sorry, but they aren't.

    I am the first to admit (see above) that a proper FBO 335i is faster than a stock M3, but this isn't right - the 1M is not as fast as an M3 stock for stock - unless I am misunderstanding something.

    Are you talking tuned 1M vs stock M3?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    Whoa... A stock M3's 0-160 km/h time is over 1.5 seconds (~8-10 car lengths?) quicker than a 1M. The M3 has almost 100 horsepower on the 1M. An M3 with or without DCT is a sub 10s car to 160km/h (100 MPH) - the 1M is a 10.5s-10.8s car. That's a huge difference - and a true testament to how quick a car is. Straight line = 0-100 MPH, and they aren't close... Sorry, but they aren't.

    I am the first to admit (see above) that a proper FBO 335i is faster than a stock M3, but this isn't right - the 1M is not as fast as an M3 stock for stock - unless I am misunderstanding something.

    Are you talking tuned 1M vs stock M3?
    I don't think a M3 has 100hp more, maybe if you look at a brochure. Weren't stock 1M's dynoing around 320-330whp? And stock M3s dynoing 350whp? And when is the M3 actually making more power? After 6000rpm? Don't forget the big weight advantage (isn't it around 400lbs). I could be wrong, but that math adds up that what he is saying is plausible.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    Whoa... A stock M3's 0-160 km/h time is over 1.5 seconds (~8-10 car lengths?) quicker than a 1M. The M3 has almost 100 horsepower on the 1M. An M3 with or without DCT is a sub 10s car to 160km/h (100 MPH) - the 1M is a 10.5s-10.8s car. That's a huge difference - and a true testament to how quick a car is. Straight line = 0-100 MPH, and they aren't close... Sorry, but they aren't.

    I am the first to admit (see above) that a proper FBO 335i is faster than a stock M3, but this isn't right - the 1M is not as fast as an M3 stock for stock - unless I am misunderstanding something.

    Are you talking tuned 1M vs stock M3?
    I agree that stock for stock a M3 is faster than an 1M, since I was reading around I figured I'd post some info I found:

    MT Comparo of 1M vs M3, 9.8 to 10.5 on the 0-100mph time. But 1/4 mile trap is ~4mph higher for the M3, so it's clearly walking away after ~70mph.

    Car lengths are a factor of time to distance, the M3 and the 1M in the comparo aren't all that far off in terms of 1/4 mile ET (.2 seconds would be a few car lengths). I see the two cars being nearly even in the 1/8th mile with the M3 moving out from the 1/8th to the 1/4 and obviously beyond that.

    Also should be noted that I found a few stock 1M cars that have personal vbox times just under 10 seconds as well as a few euro mags that claim 9.8s 0-160kph but the MT comparo was both cars run at the same place/time/temp/etc.

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335Coupe Click here to enlarge
    I don't think a M3 has 100hp more, maybe if you look at a brochure. Weren't stock 1M's dynoing around 320-330whp? And stock M3s dynoing 350whp? And when is the M3 actually making more power? After 6000rpm? Don't forget the big weight advantage (isn't it around 400lbs). I could be wrong, but that math adds up that what he is saying is plausible.
    ~200lbs but you're right on the 1M dyno, funny it's rated for 335 crank hp and it makes almost that much WHP. Conditions might make a difference on the 1M though, if the race is in 110 F heat how much does the 1M slow down compared to an M3 in the same heat? I know my 335 is a good bit slower in the heat, not sure the M3 would suffer the same way.

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    Ok, maybe the 1m isn't the same speed but as noted above, it isn't far off. Stock.... I thought it was the same from what I read. I'm still pissed the 1m was so limited in production, if that car had a normal production run, BMW would have made a boatload
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    Oops accidentally posi-repped the OPs video. My bad lol

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by josh135 Click here to enlarge
    I was trying to post this video and the stock video of the m3 and 135 drag race. Did that M3 miss a gear or something because that is a beating he took.
    He touched his rev limiter on one shift I think but the brute force of the N54 is undeniable... Click here to enlarge

    Anyway, on pump gas, bolt ons, the M3 vs. N54 is going to be close with the M3 having a small advantage. Once you start talking E85, race gas, or meth, it's game over bolt on M3. And sometimes game over supercharged M3. Bolt on N54s are running 120-125mph in the 1/4 stock turbo with E85 and/or meth. While bolt on M3s max out at what 119mph?
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