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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by justohigh Click here to enlarge
    The guy above said he was interested in knowing so I linked it. This is also a "car" forum first and formost. If you think that way then you are really going to hate when sticky adds Americanboost for the guys here with American cars.
    1) my bad I didn't read the rest of his post I feel stupid
    2) i dont care about him adding Americanboost, hondaboost, or whatever boost lol why would I that doesn't make sense?
    3) you implied the n54 was the first/only one to do it
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    1) my bad I didn't read the rest of his post I feel stupid
    2) i dont care about him adding Americanboost, hondaboost, or whatever boost lol why would I that doesn't make sense?
    Because you wrote this is BimmerBoost. I mean, we are all enthusiasts of cars first and foremost so it doesn't matter to me and it shouldn't to others if other cars and tuning platforms are referenced for context.

    I'm pretty excited about hondaboost.com personally.

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    I honestly like both the s65 and n54. They each have their strong points, but some of you guys make it like the s65 is gods gift to earth and is better than the n54 in every aspect. Any motor can be made to put out big Hp numbers, it just comes down to $$. I would just prefer the N54 if I was never planning on opening the motor up.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Asked me if it's sleeved, simple as that. No big secret.

    Of course the S65 heads are good. What is supporting the NA power as is?

    I can't ported it but the heads aren't the limitation yet and I don't know if they ever will be for me. There isn't enough to gain right now to even bother with it.
    yeah i know, it's just meant as a 'what mods do you have to your engine' blanket question, rather than having to pull teeth like this haha (even though you're totally forthcoming when asked)

    that's true... but, considering you're going completely all-out, even if the head wasn't a LIMITATION... was there absloutely no power for you to gain FOR THE MONEY - they're THAT good?

    and the stock springs can handle the 20~psi of boost on them as WELL as the revs?

    i mean, considering how much it's cost, and how long it's taken, at least getting it looked at would have been a drop in the ocean haha
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by justohigh Click here to enlarge
    but some of you guys make it like the s65 is gods gift to earth
    I was going to say gift to the universe but earth is good enough.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by justohigh Click here to enlarge
    and is better than the n54 in every aspect. Any motor can be made to put out big Hp numbers, it just comes down to $$. I would just prefer the N54 if I was never planning on opening the motor up.
    I think it's important to balance the sides. Obviously there is more pro-N54 talk and there is no problem with that it's great. But some people have their heads buried in the sand. We can handle multiple view points.

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    My point was just that it's we are on a s65vsn54 thread on a BMW forum why are we debating Hondas. Save that for another thread or leave it on Honda forums. At the time I didn't read the whole post where it was clearly was using it as reference
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    that's true... but, considering you're going completely all-out, even if the head wasn't a LIMITATION... was there absloutely no power for you to gain FOR THE MONEY - they're THAT good?
    For OEM heads they're damn good. I mean maybe Ferrari has better V8 heads now with the Italia? How many guys do you see posting headwork for the S65 or S85? Early on back in the day when a certain guy was talking about the stroker motors being the be all end all for performance on the S65 he went to have people look at his heads and the conclusion was it was not worth it.

    With a boosted motor or for someone eeking out every last HP I'm sure there is something to gain. There has to be. It just won't be as much as domestic heads because their motors aren't 100 hp per liter to begin with.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    and the stock springs can handle the 20~psi of boost on them as WELL as the revs?
    The new set of BMW springs seems to be stronger. I'll check on my springs I don't even know what I'm running.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    i mean, considering how much it's cost, and how long it's taken, at least getting it looked at would have been a drop in the ocean haha
    I wish I had more control and updates over my build but it is what it is. The amount of content I have to share for what I've spent disappoints me.

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    Also FYI the s54 is God's gift to the universe
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    My point was just that it's we are on a s65vsn54 thread on a BMW forum why are we debating Hondas.
    Honestly? Because we're that awesome. And because we have that much higher of an average knowledge level than other BMW forums. This is where the strong survive.

    We like to talk about anything as long as you can back your stuff up. And ultimately that is the most fun and I think in the next few weeks our core group will get better once some of the trash is taken out.

    So, the short answer to your question of why is knowledge, fun, and quality.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    Also FYI the s54 is God's gift to the universe
    Maybe some parallel universe.

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    I don't know how to respond to that? But I admitted I was wrong and need to learn how to finish reading
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Honestly? Because we're that awesome. And because we have that much higher of an average knowledge level than other BMW forums. This is where the strong survive.

    We like to talk about anything as long as you can back your stuff up. And ultimately that is the most fun and I think in the next few weeks our core group will get better once some of the trash is taken out.

    So, the short answer to your question of why is knowledge, fun, and quality.

    Thats why I like this forum, no filters. I just like talking and reading about cars and don't mind this back and forth stuff. Everyone has their own opinion. I have also picked up a lot of info just by reading some of the arguments on this forum.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    For OEM heads they're damn good. I mean maybe Ferrari has better V8 heads now with the Italia? How many guys do you see posting headwork for the S65 or S85? Early on back in the day when a certain guy was talking about the stroker motors being the be all end all for performance on the S65 he went to have people look at his heads and the conclusion was it was not worth it.


    With a boosted motor or for someone eeking out every last HP I'm sure there is something to gain. There has to be. It just won't be as much as domestic heads because their motors aren't 100 hp per liter to begin with.
    Well fair enough... i always assume 'S' heads are top notch, but that's slightly surprising that even 800hp even approaching 1000hp, they're done.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The new set of BMW springs seems to be stronger. I'll check on my springs I don't even know what I'm running.
    fair enough... a worthwhile thing knowing i'd say haha

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I wish I had more control and updates over my build but it is what it is. The amount of content I have to share for what I've spent disappoints me.
    true. it is what is is, and the end result will be awesome.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    Well fair enough... i always assume 'S' heads are top notch, but that's slightly surprising that even 800hp even approaching 1000hp, they're done.
    Not sure what you mean by done? The heads aren't a limitation at those HP levels.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Maybe some parallel universe.
    In the universe where we cracked 1000hp and climbing
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    In the universe where we cracked 1000hp and climbing
    That's a good universe.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    That's a good universe.
    On a side note I just watched a video of your car at bimmerfest I'm guessing ... That sound... I fapped... I jizzed...everywhere
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Not sure what you mean by done? The heads aren't a limitation at those HP levels.
    that's what i mean, they're 'done' in terms of work needed.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    On a side note I just watched a video of your car at bimmerfest I'm guessing ... That sound... I fapped... I jizzed...everywhere
    It was pretty impressive and the crowd enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Finally coming to fruition and I'm happy.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    The S65 has made 700 HP - and it makes torque across a very wide power-band, something the N54 is INCAPABLE of doing - why isn't that seen as important?
    I'm not saying and have never said the N54 was a better motor than the S54 or S65. It's a different motor and shouldn't be compared at that level. But to quote the N54 is INCAPABLE just goes to show you don't follow the N54 forums. 700 whp has been smashed with Stock Internals and the torque curve on an N54 would be hard to match. But again, I want to clarify, it's a completely different motor and should be on it's own category as the S54 and S65 are. As much as I enjoy giving Sticky and everyone else $#@! when they try to voice their superiority I have to admit the S engines are in a class of their own and should be. We might not see anything like it for many years to come from BMW as they have now taken the stance of cost reduction. Hopefully someone with balls will step in and change that and the M cars will get the motors they deserve in the future. The one thing that brings us all together is the fact we own and love our BMW's, and like Sticky, some more than others.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
    I'm not saying and have never said the N54 was a better motor than the S54 or S65. It's a different motor and shouldn't be compared at that level. But to quote the N54 is INCAPABLE just goes to show you don't follow the N54 forums. 700 whp has been smashed with Stock Internals and the torque curve on an N54 would be hard to match. But again, I want to clarify, it's a completely different motor and should be on it's own category as the S54 and S65 are. As much as I enjoy giving Sticky and everyone else $#@! when they try to voice their superiority I have to admit the S engines are in a class of their own and should be. We might not see anything like it for many years to come from BMW as they have now taken the stance of cost reduction. Hopefully someone with balls will step in and change that and the M cars will get the motors they deserve in the future. The one thing that brings us all together is the fact we own and love our BMW's, and like Sticky, some more than others.
    You didn't read my post - I said:

    "The S65 has made 700 HP (post said this hasn't been seen on the S65) - and it makes torque across a very wide power-band, something the N54 is INCAPABLE of doing - why isn't that seen as important?"

    The power-band of the S65 and the N54/55 are two completely different animals. I was referring to the shape and length of the output curve. One is perfectly flat and long - the other is not. An engine builder strives to have a torque curve that is perfectly flat - like an electric motor as an example. The longer that plateau extends (RPM) - the better also.

    The redline of the N54/55 isn't going to increase to S65 levels without some insane amount of work - and turbos that can breath. As you said - they shouldn't even be compared at this level. One is made for a completely different purpose.

    For motorsport, I personally don't see how they can be compared - but that's not everyone's concern - which is completely understandable. For tractability purposes - and overall fun, I can definitely see an argument here - but after driving both, would still be disappointed with lag. For mashing down the gas - and having a fast fun car that makes a ton of power for not much money? Yes, no doubt - the N54/55 has it beat. No argument there.

    It does suck that BMW is choosing to go down this path for their M brand; I am still hoping they have some amazing/secret formula that gives 90% of the response of their NA motors of the past, but looking at the X5M/X6M/1M/M5/M6 - it doesn't look like they will. We'll see - I am definitely curious.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    You didn't read my post - I said:

    "The S65 has made 700 HP (post said this hasn't been seen on the S65) - and it makes torque across a very wide power-band, something the N54 is INCAPABLE of doing - why isn't that seen as important?"

    The power-band of the S65 and the N54/55 are two completely different animals. I was referring to the shape and length of the output curve. One is perfectly flat and long - the other is not. An engine builder strives to have a torque curve that is perfectly flat - like an electric motor as an example. The longer that plateau extends (RPM) - the better also.

    The redline of the N54/55 isn't going to increase to S65 levels without some insane amount of work - and turbos that can breath. As you said - they shouldn't even be compared at this level. One is made for a completely different purpose.

    For motorsport, I personally don't see how they can be compared - but that's not everyone's concern - which is completely understandable. For tractability purposes - and overall fun, I can definitely see an argument here - but after driving both, would still be disappointed with lag. For mashing down the gas - and having a fast fun car that makes a ton of power for not much money? Yes, no doubt - the N54/55 has it beat. No argument there.

    It does suck that BMW is choosing to go down this path for their M brand; I am still hoping they have some amazing/secret formula that gives 90% of the response of their NA motors of the past, but looking at the X5M/X6M/1M/M5/M6 - it doesn't look like they will. We'll see - I am definitely curious.
    +1 I shouldn't post without drinking my coffee in the morning. LOL

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
    I'm not saying and have never said the N54 was a better motor than the S54 or S65. It's a different motor and shouldn't be compared at that level. But to quote the N54 is INCAPABLE just goes to show you don't follow the N54 forums. 700 whp has been smashed with Stock Internals and the torque curve on an N54 would be hard to match. But again, I want to clarify, it's a completely different motor and should be on it's own category as the S54 and S65 are. As much as I enjoy giving Sticky and everyone else $#@! when they try to voice their superiority I have to admit the S engines are in a class of their own and should be. We might not see anything like it for many years to come from BMW as they have now taken the stance of cost reduction. Hopefully someone with balls will step in and change that and the M cars will get the motors they deserve in the future. The one thing that brings us all together is the fact we own and love our BMW's, and like Sticky, some more than others.
    He didn't say the power was incapable of being made he said the torque curve over such a wide powerband the N54 is incapable of and he's correct.

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    ^ Well you guys already handled that lol I responded before reading the rest.

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