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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
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    I think @LostMarine is really speaking to his view of the motor. Specifically that if it had more power NA it could be more competitive in all aspects. Its a great chassis with only a good motor so to speak...
    apparantly, this is blaspemy.. as it has won awards.. so there is no need for more power.. even though he needed boost to get into even 4xx hp range..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
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    Thats an interesting statement... So if you were happy with the motor and power what led to boost and subsequently a built motor?
    I'm very happy with the base the S65 provides. I built my car to promote my websites and also for my own personal enjoyment as a project. It's all unfolding quite well really. The network is really getting going, car about done, coming together perfectly.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
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    Nobody designs an OEM platform for roll racing...
    Dodge specifically included forged pistons in the new Viper for the guys that want to turbo.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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    i never said anything about fun. the m3 is fun. i said it would be an ass kicker if it had , or was capable of, more power n/a-basic bolt on.. the miata and s2k are far far better options, and faster.. right? once again, im not talking 20-30 more, it would need 50 more, N/A-bolt-on to have achieved an epic status. but once again, according to sticky, the s2k is a better car/motor, faster, and more impressive..
    A horsepower war accomplishes what? BMW and Mercedes are going back and forth as is. You think Mercedes could not have given the C63 more power out of the gate? You think BMW could not have given the M3 more power either?

    If you need MORE power than that, you can get it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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    BINGO! its so impressive in n/a form, HE HAD TO BOOST it, to get it to be competitive.. but if asked, its plenty capable in N/A form.. but he HAD TO BOOST IT, for it to be competitive.. oddly, im the only one repeating common sense..
    Competitive with what?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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    apparantly, this is blaspemy.. as it has won awards.. so there is no need for more power.. even though he needed boost to get into even 4xx hp range..
    You can get in the 4XX range without boost, so what are you talking about? I skipped the 4XX range entirely.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    I'm very happy with the base the S65 provides. I built my car to promote my websites and also for my own personal enjoyment as a project. It's all unfolding quite well really. The network is really getting going, car about done, coming together perfectly.
    you boosted your car long before BB..and decided to build it after BB

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    Dodge specifically included forged pistons in the new Viper for the guys that want to turbo.
    weird? they said this?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    A horsepower war accomplishes what?
    sets one car ahead of the other..
    BMW and Mercedes are going back and forth as is. You think Mercedes could not have given the C63 more power out of the gate?

    they did, they gave it more than the S65 and comparable to the higher level v8's...
    You think BMW could not have given the M3 more power either?
    they could, just not to the public.. THANK YOU!! thats what ive been saying

    If you need MORE power than that, you can get it.

    right, but not easily from basic bolt-ons, or n/a without doing serious work! They $#@!ed the public into thinking it was a more capable car, because it won "awwards" and a race motor capable of delivering what the public thought they ewould get
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    Competitive with what?
    every other V8..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    You can get in the 4XX range without boost, so what are you talking about? I skipped the 4XX range entirely.
    not with stroking it..

    right, you skipped 4xx.. with boost..

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    you boosted your car long before BB..and decided to build it after BB
    Not long before BB. And I was working on BB for months before it was launched.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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    not with stroking it..

    right, you skipped 4xx.. with boost..
    You can get to 400 whp NA without stroking it as I already told you @BrenM3 has done it.

    Secondly, you can probably hit 5XX whp NA with stroking it. I'd love to try but I'm boosted and nobody else is willing to spend the money. The parts are there, go for it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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    every other V8..
    This is an ignorant blanket statement.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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    sets one car ahead of the other..
    I'm sorry, cars are not judged based solely on horsepower.

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    hey did, they gave it more than the S65 and comparable to the higher level v8's...
    It puts out basically 10 whp more stock with 2.2 more liters. How is that comparable to anything else? It's the exact same range.

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    they could, just not to the public.. THANK YOU!! thats what ive been saying
    They do give it more power to the public in the GTS. It's the cost that's the factor and you are not understanding. BMW could turn it into an F1 motor and rev it to the moon, and? You wan't a $200k+ M3? You can't afford a GT3 RS 4.0 with its motor that you are saying is oh so great.

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    right, but not easily from basic bolt-ons, or n/a without doing serious work! They $#@!ed the public into thinking it was a more capable car, because it won "awwards" and a race motor capable of delivering what the public thought they ewould get
    If your goal is horsepower per dollar ​BMW IS THE WRONG CHOICE.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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    i never said anything about fun. the m3 is fun. i said it would be an ass kicker if it had , or was capable of, more power n/a-basic bolt on.. the miata and s2k are far far better options, and faster.. right? once again, im not talking 20-30 more, it would need 50 more, N/A-bolt-on to have achieved an epic status. but once again, according to sticky, the s2k is a better car/motor, faster, and more impressive..
    My situtaion two years ago, I needed a car that at least fit 4 people. In my case can fit 5. I honestly don't think there was another car that suited my needs more than the E90 M3. Daily driver all week, fits family, and can transform to a good weekend track car. What car did I overlook when buying a car? I guess all cars could be better, there is always room for improvement. There really isn't a "perfect" car. But at the time, the M3 was as close to perfect for my situation.

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    Nobody designs an OEM platform for roll racing... That being said the majority of M3 owners spend their time on the road. Stop light to stop light, merging into traffic and highways are where most spend their time. Thats where their short comings in daily driving show up.
    Guess it just difference of opinion. I don't have a problem dropping down a couple gears to snap the necks of my passengers. My buddy has a C63, it just feels lazy driving it. But for his personality, he loves it.


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    Dodge specifically included forged pistons in the new Viper for the guys that want to turbo.
    Show me where Dodge said they did forged pistons so folks could go turbo. Like they built if for Hennessey, UGR, RSi and others to go HAM. If so thats awesome and it would be a first that an OEM built a motor with the aftermarket specifically in mind.
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    If your goal is horsepower per dollar ​BMW IS THE WRONG CHOICE.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
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    Show me where Dodge said they did forged pistons so folks could go turbo.
    http://www.caranddriver.com/photos-1...g-photo-456908

    Forged pistons will better handle turbocharging.
    I know what I'm talking about.

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    http://www.caranddriver.com/photos-1...g-photo-456908

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    Indeed that is what the engineer states... Fair enough and a first from an OEM to say out loud. Hey you're right for once bro, kudo's
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    Not long before BB. And I was working on BB for months before it was launched.
    so, im correct. before bb

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    You can get to 400 whp NA without stroking it as I already told you @BrenM3 has done it.

    Secondly, you can probably hit 5XX whp NA with stroking it. I'd love to try but I'm boosted and nobody else is willing to spend the money. The parts are there, go for it.

    i said realistic. realistic, to me, and the rest of the reality based humans, means that a certain variance in hp is epxected, but can be backed up with performance #'s. 42xhp on that dyno should have been more than 116mph..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    This is an ignorant blanket statement.
    no, its a blanket statement based on reality and not blind fanboy ism

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    I'm sorry, cars are not judged based solely on horsepower.

    judged by who? oh, this mythical award system that noone cares about because its just a piece of paper

    It puts out basically 10 whp more stock with 2.2 more liters. How is that comparable to anything else? It's the exact same range.


    so, again, im right. its MORE to start with, and MUCH MORE when bolted on.. awesome point you make
    They do give it more power to the public in the GTS. It's the cost that's the factor and you are not understanding. BMW could turn it into an F1 motor and rev it to the moon, and? You wan't a $200k+ M3? You can't afford a GT3 RS 4.0 with its motor that you are saying is oh so great.
    gts is available at every dealer? wow. i didnt know that.. its street legal? wow, didnt know that.. oh, its not, and not.. damn.. i guess we only compare bmw race cars to everyone elses street cars now eh..

    If your goal is horsepower per dollar ​BMW IS THE WRONG CHOICE

    This is an unrealistic idiotic statement
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
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    Indeed that is what the engineer states... Fair enough and a first from an OEM to say out loud. Hey you're right for once bro, kudo's
    For once, that's rich.

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