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    Well since the topic was about the Romney video I would think that was the topic and how clueless he is. The full extent of the video was no better for him. If all the other topics you brought up need discussion, start a thread about them. An intelligent person would use the frickin head and realize that the situation we are in has been in the making for years and wouldn't cry like a little b.. As if this sh?t just happened in the last four years. An intelligent person would realize that politicians have been wiping their asses with the Constitution for decades. Now an ignoramus would suggest suicide or name call or rant incoherently. I'm just saying.

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    I guess I'm on the pessimistic side of the aisle. I don't think any one president could clean up the mess we're in. What we need is for both sides to stop the bulls%$! and come up with some solutions. I feel like every time someone on either side has a decent idea, the other side opposes it simply on principle. Can Romney do good? Probably. But he can't do it without support. I'm generally angry at the whole situation.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Brey335i Click here to enlarge
    I guess I'm on the pessimistic side of the aisle. I don't think any one president could clean up the mess we're in. What we need is for both sides to stop the bulls%$! and come up with some solutions. I feel like every time someone on either side has a decent idea, the other side opposes it simply on principle. Can Romney do good? Probably. But he can't do it without support. I'm generally angry at the whole situation.
    Another broken promise by Obama. 4 years ago he stood on podiums saying he will bring the two sides of the aisle together.

    The country has never been more divided than.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by yage202 Click here to enlarge
    Well since the topic was about the Romney video I would think that was the topic and how clueless he is. The full extent of the video was no better for him. If all the other topics you brought up need discussion, start a thread about them. An intelligent person would use the frickin head and realize that the situation we are in has been in the making for years and wouldn't cry like a little b.. As if this sh?t just happened in the last four years. An intelligent person would realize that politicians have been wiping their asses with the Constitution for decades. Now an ignoramus would suggest suicide or name call or rant incoherently. I'm just saying.

    all the topics need discussion, but mr obama wont talk about them. and what he does talk about, does not sit well with amercians, well, real americans, not some hippy freeloading wanna be socialist but have no idea what it means to be dominated like that, crybaby.
    and intelligent person does use their head, and realize that situations take time to develop, and guess what, he came into office full knowing what he had before him, and guess what, he made the $#@! worse.. oh how about that.. oh, and then theres the other side, GW was blasted with a 9/11 and made a decision, a decision on what he thought was best fr the security of Amercians. Obama got blasted on 9/11 now too.. whats he do? apologizes. whats the media do? claim its from a movie and hide the fact we were attacked in 20+ places. strong president we have there.

    an intelligent person would realize that politicions try to wipe there ass with it, but they also know if they will have civil unrest if they push too hard. Its liberal pussies, that let them push and push and push to slowly get what they want. Mostly from areas in the far west of the US, and a mix on the east. hey.. your in WA? thats a haven for liberal sum.. Gee what are the odds... didnt they just have a muslim riot there in June? where christians were stoned for having a peaceful protest, where a muslim sheriff ordered the christians out of there? people need to know whats in their own backyard, they cant control that, well... Just sayin..

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    WTF! Lets see, your in NJ. You have the fattest governor, worst crime rate, but a crime fighting hero mayor, pollution, high rate of car theft, suck ass education of your residents, disdain from the residents of NYC, snookie, worst state for individual freedom etc....seems to be a haven for incompetent political and judicial management?

    Do the newspapers back there make crap up about muslim riots or did some $#@! conspiracy theorist website blogger wet dream that one? Whoever told you that one lied to you big time or I have really missed a major news item in the cycle..

    An intelligent person would also look at the historical record and realize that when politicians wipe their asses with the constitution too much that the people add amendments to close the loopholes politicians exploit.

    Seems to me East coast Wall street $#@!s almost brought the financial system to failure. Seems to me most of the political types in DC are from elite East coast universities. Seems to me most of the 17,000 lobbyist in DC telling your local federal representative what to think are from or live on the East coast. Just sayin..... oh and F Romney!

    If you are a liberal pussy (or conservative) for that matter and are female, cute, shapely and groomed, I will/would (too old and too much hassle at this stage of life) push and push and push to slowly get what I want.

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    The president isn't going to change much of anything. Our economic system needs an overhaul. That means looking at the Fed and their closed books that are off limits for some reason.

    Changing the guy sitting in the oval office doesn't change the root of the problem unless that president has the strength to tackle it and make it his priority. These guys both will support the current system. We're $#@!ed.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by yage202 Click here to enlarge
    WTF! Lets see, your in NJ. You have the fattest governor, worst crime rate, but a crime fighting hero mayor, pollution, high rate of car theft, suck ass education of your residents, disdain from the residents of NYC, snookie, worst state for individual freedom etc....seems to be a haven for incompetent political and judicial management?

    Seems to me East coast Wall street $#@!s almost brought the financial system to failure. Seems to me most of the political types in DC are from elite East coast universities. Seems to me most of the 17,000 lobbyist in DC telling your local federal representative what to think are from or live on the East coast. Just sayin..... oh and F Romney!
    Your fattest governor reference clearly is a pick at Christie as a person, not a politician, illustrating that you as a liberal are incapable of giving the man credit for reviving a state that was left in piss poor condition by his predecessor (a Wall St liberal). It's also common knowledge that pollution, high crime/auto theft & liberals are all unfortunate evils that came along with a city. Just a heads up though, in 2012 NJ ranked as the state with the lowest corruption (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/03/report_nj_has_lowest_corruptio.html) and ranked #3 overall or "Well Above Average" among state education rankings in math & science (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_894528.html), meanwhile Washington ranked "Average" at #20. As for the rest of your statistics, I'd really like to see your sources because there's actually more disdain for Long Island (excluding the Hamptons) than NJ, and as much as the "Jersey Shore" created an awful perception of the NJ, from a business perspective it was genius because it significantly increased tourist generated revenue over multiple summers.


    Wall St, specifically Big Banks, were forced by law established by previous (Democrat) President Clinton to issue loans to people who DID NOT qualify for loans. This was a liberal push to give everyone a fair chance at owning a home that they might not be able to afford. When the banks came to collect their dues, these people defaulted on their loans (which had expanded from home loans, to car loans & outstanding credit card debt) and the American economy collapsed on itself. Had the Clinton Administration not forced banks to issue loans to people who did NOT qualify for them, it's likely that the recession (which every economy is eventually forced to endure) would not have been as bad as it's been.

    For you to simply blame the East Coast illustrates you stupid you are. Yes, the West Coast has Silicon Valley, Google and Facebook HQs, botox and the Beverly Hills Housewives. But in addition to everything you've pointed out, the East Coast also hosts ALL of the Ivy League schools and/or 7 out of the 10 colleges ranked in 2012. SO yes, if you're someone successful, there's a VERY HIGH chance you went to the school somewhere on the East Coast (it also helps that PA is the state with the most colleges in the US). As for lobbyist, yea they're monsters, but they're monsters on BOTH SIDES and without them greasing palms, NOTHING would get done with how partisan Congress has become.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by yage202 Click here to enlarge
    WTF! Lets see, your in NJ. You have the fattest governor, worst crime rate, but a crime fighting hero mayor, pollution, high rate of car theft, suck ass education of your residents, disdain from the residents of NYC, snookie, worst state for individual freedom etc....seems to be a haven for incompetent political and judicial management?

    Do the newspapers back there make crap up about muslim riots or did some $#@! conspiracy theorist website blogger wet dream that one? Whoever told you that one lied to you big time or I have really missed a major news item in the cycle..

    An intelligent person would also look at the historical record and realize that when politicians wipe their asses with the constitution too much that the people add amendments to close the loopholes politicians exploit.

    Seems to me East coast Wall street $#@!s almost brought the financial system to failure. Seems to me most of the political types in DC are from elite East coast universities. Seems to me most of the 17,000 lobbyist in DC telling your local federal representative what to think are from or live on the East coast. Just sayin..... oh and F Romney!

    If you are a liberal pussy (or conservative) for that matter and are female, cute, shapely and groomed, I will/would (too old and too much hassle at this stage of life) push and push and push to slowly get what I want.
    lol, he is a GREAT governor.

    who care about his weight?

    crime rate is going down
    taxes are going down
    employment is going up
    NJ hate NY you moron, they all come here to vacation and give us the bad rap.. but what would you know, you only went to wickipedia for facts

    you forget we've had 20+ years of democratic liberal scum running things. What you dont see from christie, is still blaming everyone. He has a plan, showed his plan, and is working his plan. AND PEOPLE LOVE IT! see the difference, he has results to show when election time comes back around. What do your politicians have to show for their time?

    do you really believe its wall street that killed everything? ok, NY and NJ, have $$, but the liberal vagina's in Cali, WA, and every other western state have influence as well. maybe you didnt pay attention to all the actors that support socialism..

    I dont see why you took offense, i didnt say your a socialist pig, or hated the the constitution, what i said was if you fall into that category, you have options, and the best for the human race is the toe trigger. Not my fault you decided you fall into that category

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    Actually, I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

    You asked, I provide
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ion-obligation budget
    http://www.paramuspost.com/article.p...20424194906242 pollution
    http://taxfoundation.org/article/201...-climate-index unfunded retiree benefits
    http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/...our-retirement taxes
    http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/eco...ployment-rates employment
    http://chiefexecutive.net/new-jersey...-business-2012 business environment

    The government did not make banks fund loans at 97% of higher LTV's (no buyer skin inn the game), the government did not tell banks to granted stated income loans (liar loans, no bank due diligence), the government did not tell people to take all of their home equity out and refinance to borrow more (leverage works both ways), the government did not tell the banks to package loans into derivative instruments and sell them off to bigger fool investors , the government did redistribute your wealth by providing wall street to big to fail insurance.

    Why did I take offense????

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    hey.. your in WA? thats a haven for liberal sum.. Gee what are the odds
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    didnt they just have a muslim riot there in June? where christians were stoned for having a peaceful protest, where a muslim sheriff ordered the christians out of there?
    Was this ever reported anywhere?

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    NJ hate NY you moron, they all come here to vacation and give us the bad rap.. but what would you know, you only went to wickipedia for facts
    It was/is never personal. I did attack your state just as I felt mine was attacked. If you think actors in Hollywood are the best representation of what goes on in California you have been misinformed. I happen to live in SoCal part of the year too.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    For you to simply blame the East Coast illustrates you stupid you are.
    Wipe the foam off your chin, this was written in response to
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    Mostly from areas in the far west of the US, and a mix on the east
    the blame goes to the entire country.

    The liberal pussies comment was a weak attempt at humor, not a personal attack

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    Oops! Guess that makes Christie no better than Obamama

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/09/standard_poors_downgrades_outl.html


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    you forget we've had 20+ years of democratic liberal scum running things. What you dont see from christie, is still blaming everyone. He has a plan, showed his plan, and is working his plan. AND PEOPLE LOVE IT! see the difference, he has results to show when election time comes back around. What do your politicians have to show for their time?
    While Christie is not blaming previous administrations you are. I don't have any politicians!

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    You realize all of your sources are either outdated or specifically mention in their articles that New Jersey has been improving in the past 2 years under the Christie Administration. Christie's also been undercut by every agency on his budget projections every time, but some how the state continues to make progress so I'm gonna pretend I'm surprised by those claims.AS for people refinancing their mortgages or for banks making "risky" business moves, that's the beauty of the United States -- that you can take that risk & make millions, or possibly make a bad choice and lose it all. It's unfortunate that the Govt. decided to take a risk & roll the dice with Wall St that didn't work out, but if you ask me Washington had no place investigating in a private organization or "gambling" with tax payer money. If the Fed Govt really wants to invest to help cover it's cost, they should consider setting up its own "Wall St Firm" that can places its best with low risk/low yield investments.I'll take the freedom of choice over being forcibly told how & where to allocate my money any day of the week & twice on Sundays
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Changing the guy sitting in the oval office doesn't change the root of the problem unless that president has the strength to tackle it and make it his priority. These guys both will support the current system. We're $#@!ed.
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    Anyone that thinks there is a significant difference between Romney and Obama needs to wake up. Both support the NDAA and internet censorship/controls. Both are beholden to special interests and Wall Street. Both support government healthcare programs for all. Neither will significantly change our foreign policy. Neither will tackle illegal immigration. Neither will shut down the TSA. Neither will support states' rights. Neither will end the ludicrous war on drugs.

    The problem we have today is people take their job description of "lawmakers" too literally. The only way we will get anything to truly change is to send some representatives in there to un-do the bull$#@! that started up with Teddy Roosevelt and his idea of being world police, and FDR and the imposition of the income tax and social security. As long as people think the only choices we have are between donkeys and elephants, we are doomed.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    You realize all of your sources are either outdated
    Link1 9/20/2012
    link2 4/25/2012
    link3 1/25/2012
    link4 6/1/ 2012
    link5 8/1/2012
    link6 5/2/2012
    2nd reply
    link7 9/18/2012

    If you want more current than that I can't help you. The reports come out when they come out.

    The community reinvestment act has been around since 1977, are you implying that the housing crash of 2008 had its genesis back then?

    That's the beauty of capitalism, if you can figure out a way to game the system and profit you win, conversely if your risky bets don't pay off you should go bust or "lose it all", but Wall street had a put option in place backed by Federal government in the form of bailouts ( maybe $500 billion).

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    has anyone stopped to consider the break down on this 47%? i noticed no one is arguing the percentage; only the way the comment was phrased.
    i hope for our sake that those serving in the armed forces, social security beneficiaries (over the age of 65), and those legitimately collecting unemployment total a large portion of that 47% otherwise this is truly a wake up call.
    every watch a liberals face when you say the word "ayn rand" ?

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    You ask I provide:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-...ernment-2012-9

    "The elimination of taxes on the very poor has been GOP policy starting with Reagan, and continuing through Bush." My original point of that comment targeting my life long hard working parents is what set me off.

    I do apologize for taking the thread off point and reacting to uninformed responses.

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    Dear lord, the hostility and name calling towards liberals in this thread is insane.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by yage202 Click here to enlarge
    Oops! Guess that makes Christie no better than Obamama

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/09/standard_poors_downgrades_outl.html


    While Christie is not blaming previous administrations you are. I don't have any politicians!
    I guess that depends on the source.. considering dem and liberal proponents of such "research"

    ""We believe investors will find S&P’s arguments to be out of step and its basis for revising New Jersey’s outlook unconvincing, particularly in the face of the continued growth in New Jersey’s economy and state revenues," Pratt said.
    Gov. Chris Christie this year is banking on nearly 8 percent growth in revenue — among the highest jumps in the nation and nearly triple last year’s growth — to help pay for increased education spending, a historic pension contribution and the first phase of an income tax cut.

    Christie’s proclamation of a “Jersey Comeback” in January served as an overarching theme for the administration for much of the year and helped him justify has ambitious revenue projections and a proposed tax cut. But economists and Wall Street ratings agencies were skeptical, arguing that the state’s economic recovery was not as robust as Christie portrayed.
    The brash Christie brushed off the differing views as nothing more than “background noise to the Jersey Comeback.” He even took aim at the budget officer for the nonpartisan Office of Legislative Services, calling him a untrustworthy tool of the Democrats who control the Legislature for offering less ambitious revenue projections.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
    has anyone stopped to consider the break down on this 47%? i noticed no one is arguing the percentage; only the way the comment was phrased.
    i hope for our sake that those serving in the armed forces, social security beneficiaries (over the age of 65), and those legitimately collecting unemployment total a large portion of that 47% otherwise this is truly a wake up call.
    every watch a liberals face when you say the word "ayn rand" ?
    its not the military, i would say well over 50% of us would never support a Dem, given they are anti-military, have cut/halted our pay, increased our costs, and want to downsize a force thats already strained

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    The point is not who the members of the military would vote for its that Romney has dissed seniors, the military and students. with his 47% comment.

    http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story...dents-military

    I used a Fox news affiliate just so you wouldn't think I was cherry picking Dem and Liberal sources.

    ....okay fingers stop typing, I said I wouldn't go off topic

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...d_christi.html
    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...shrinking.html
    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf..._rises_to.html

    How can you quote a politicians disregarding the data as justification for how great the same politician is for the state? I f the current administration said the same thing about the US downgrade you would be ripping them a new one.

    ....Damn fingers enough already!.... oh btw F Romney!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    its not the military, i would say well over 50% of us would never support a Dem, given they are anti-military, have cut/halted our pay, increased our costs, and want to downsize a force thats already strained
    Hmmm, wasn't it Rumfeld that was planning to downsize the military? Last time I checked Obama didn't cut any funding to the military, quite the opposite in fact. And the reason why the forces are strained is because we started one very pointless war. And for the record, I have a military background (served 3 years in the German army).
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by yage202 Click here to enlarge
    The point is not who the members of the military would vote for its that Romney has dissed seniors, the military and students. with his 47% comment.

    http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story...dents-military

    I used a Fox news affiliate just so you wouldn't think I was cherry picking Dem and Liberal sources.

    ....okay fingers stop typing, I said I wouldn't go off topic

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...d_christi.html
    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...shrinking.html
    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf..._rises_to.html

    How can you quote a politicians disregarding the data as justification for how great the same politician is for the state? I f the current administration said the same thing about the US downgrade you would be ripping them a new one.

    ....Damn fingers enough already!.... oh btw F Romney!
    lol, do you even read the articles, or just the title? re-read the article and then come back at me. everything in them states what dems want it to show, is off course of facts.


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Team Plutonium Click here to enlarge
    Hmmm, wasn't it Rumfeld that was planning to downsize the military? Last time I checked Obama didn't cut any funding to the military, quite the opposite in fact. And the reason why the forces are strained is because we started one very pointless war. And for the record, I have a military background (served 3 years in the German army).

    i still dont see where the military is listed in that 47%? it says they are, but where does He say it?

    next, obama doesnt want to cut military? im 100% positive his plans are to, 1st was the stop in COLA, the 1.x% increase we get to offset inflation, next is healthcare premiuims, ya, know, that thing we ARE Entitled to? Next on the list is our retirement, cut it and make us wait longer for it.

    sorry, im not posting links, but im sure you will find it quickly enough

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    Fact is Obama hasn't cut any funding to the military, and in reality you just can't have it both ways, if you want to curb spending and take care of the deficit you need to cut military spending, social security, medicare, and raise taxes. Nobody likes this, but without doing it we'll run up the deficit even more.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Team Plutonium Click here to enlarge
    Fact is Obama hasn't cut any funding to the military, and in reality you just can't have it both ways, if you want to curb spending and take care of the deficit you need to cut military spending, social security, medicare, and raise taxes. Nobody likes this, but without doing it we'll run up the deficit even more.
    lol, what do you mean? he has cut funding already, where the hell is my cola then? . Im all for cutting everything, money in/money out. But when you sign a contract with someone, that $#@!s solid. 20 years, $xyz pay, thats what I want. 10+ years in and your gonna $#@! me because you cant un$#@! the whole situation, get outta here.

    social security? read that again, social security? i dont give a $#@!, cut it, and stop taxes us for it, do away wih it, but pay the people on it now, or in 5 years.. i dont care, im all about survival of the fittest, dont have a plan for when your too old to work? oh well, i guess its on your family, not society.

    medicare? same $#@!, who the $#@! said your owed healthcare? healthcare for your meds? who the $#@! said you need to live longer than nature intended? same $#@!,

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