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    New wheels, Forgestar F14 with PSS on my 135i

    Finally my new wheels are installed.
    This journey started when I ordered my new Forgestar rims from Modbargains.com on February 2nd 2012.
    I had Original BMW BBS 18" wheels, but I suspected they were heavy and I wanted wheels that were a lot lighter.
    After a long search I found the Forgestar F14 to be the most acceptable and affordable option for me.
    So I ordered me a set form Modbargains.com. Salesman Gilbert assured it would take 7 weeks to process my order for the rims will be custom made at Forgestar.
    I had done some research as what ET I would most likely need, but the procedure when I ordered was slightly different.
    I had to make my wishes and use for the tires clear.
    That was easy. I wanted to be able to fit the widest possible tires on for track use and DD, I have stock M-spec suspension and want to be able to in a later stage be able to fit a big brake kit if the need arises.
    So max tiresizes are 265/35/18 rear and 235/40/18 front. Bigger won't fit without bodywork.
    235 will most likely solve the trackday understeer problems, and with 265 I hope to further eliminate the tire spin from a dig...

    And to do it absolutely right this time I wanted the best allround tires to go with them, Michelin Pilot Super Sports.
    That in Europe is a problem. Michelin only makes the tiresizes I need in the USA. So I had to have them shipped from the USA as well.

    April 15 the boxes with the rims arrived.
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    The tires unfortunately were a lot harder to come by. In the end I found a local shop that has prepared to import the tires for me and have them shipped for a reasonable price.

    May 29 the tires arrived. May 30 I dropped off the rims, and one day later the car was on brand new wheels.

    So, how is the fitment after this perculiar ordering process.To be honest I was a bit nervous about it.
    On the bridge with no load you can not get a cigarette paper between the rear springdish and the rear tire, but no rubbing.
    Shock clearance is about 1cm.
    Under load the clearance with the spring dish increases to about 1 cm. So the rear is clear of rubbing Click here to enlarge
    The front wheels are about the same, exept that under no load the inner side of the front wheels slightly rub the front bearing arm. Under load again the clearance increases to approx. 1cm.
    So if I ever find myself suspended in mid air with all front wheels of the ground under full lock, I can expect some rubbing of one of the front wheels. But then again, if I would ever find myself in this position rubbing of one of the tires will be the very least of my problems Click here to enlarge
    To my releaf, everything fits precicely Click here to enlarge
    So how does it look?

    Pictures tell a 1000 words
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    Fitment

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    Over all I am quite pleased with how this turned out.
    It took a lot of patience to get this done, but overall I think the car looks great!
    For what I noticed understeer has gone. You can only go so fast on public roads off course, so I'll be putting it through a rigourous test when I go to Spa Franchorchamps in a few weeks...
    Rear wheel tire spin is not gone, but is somewhat reduced. But that was to be expected.
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    Looking good Mr. V.

    Importing tires from where? PSS tires aren't that rare at all.

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    So what are the differences in weight comparing the old setup against the new setup.
    I'm not so interested in rim weight, for this is also depends on the given ET.
    Instead I measured the netto difference wheel off/on the car.
    My old front wheels with very worn 215/40/18 tire weighed 20.6 kg including tire
    The new front wheel with brand new 235/40/18 PSS comes on the car weighing 18.5 kg. That's 2.1 kg less, with a 20mm wider tire Click here to enlarge

    Rear wheels with 255/35/18 PS3 tires with <6mm left weiged 22.2kg
    New wheels with 265/35/18 PSS weigh 20.6kg each.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    PSS tires aren't that rare at all.
    Unfortunately the sizes I need are not made in the EU.
    Michelin stated they are not produced due to Marketing strategies.
    I actually sent them a mail about it. They prevent you from getting them with all means available to them.

    19" would have been not a problem at all, but then the weight would have been the same as my old wheels.
    Strangely enough on the sidewall of the tire is the E4 mark, so they are legal in the EU Click here to enlarge

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Importing tires from where?
    Ordered from Tirerack, delivered somewhere in Texas, and shipped to the Netherlands
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    Unfortunately the sizes I need are not made in the EU.
    Michelin stated they are not produced due to Marketing strategies.
    I actually sent them a mail about it. They prevent you from getting them with all means available to them.
    That's some nonsense stuff right there.

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    Great thread David.

    Your wheels look awesome.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    That's some nonsense stuff right there.
    I know. It drove me up the wall so much I decided I would have them no matter what.
    Cost me tire prices, VAT + 400 Euro's in shipping, customs and handling to get them, but they're here now Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Great thread David.

    Your wheels look awesome.
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    Looking good Mr. V.
    Thank you both very much Click here to enlarge
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    Looks good.

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    I like it. my wheel experiences with modbargains has been very good as well. I'm talking to them now about CF5's in proper M fitment

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    I like it. my wheel experiences with modbargains has been very good as well. I'm talking to them now about CF5's in proper M fitment
    Let us know when you order.
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    Wheels look great. It's pretty much the same setup I've been thinking about getting whenever I decide to bite the bullet and get wheels, so I'm glad to hear you like them, and that there's no rubbing issues.
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    Glad to hear that you're happy with the Forgestar F14 wheels. They're rotary forged and do cost significantly less when compared to other wheels in it's same class and caliber!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by b00st Click here to enlarge
    so I'm glad to hear you like them, and that there's no rubbing issues.
    Well, there is some slight rubbing.
    Because the sidewall of the rear wheels are 7mm higher, the wheel just hits the plastic nut that, together with a parker, holds the inner fenderprotection in place.
    Only if you go through a long dip in the road that maxes out the rear suspension.
    Solution: trim down the nut.
    I hope this is enough.
    Time will tell.

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    On the front the outside of the tire touches the fender slightly, so I will heve them rolled this tuesday. Thes Michelin PSS tires are really wide MoFos for their size, so if you would go for some other tires you might not have a problem.
    It really is a tight fit.
    But I need to have this resolved before I leave for Spa Francorchams wendsday.
    I can not have it that I slash my tires on a trackday due to rubbing...
    And I certainly do not want to hold back while charging up au Rouge or tiptoeing by every curb just because I might max out the suspension.

    I shot some more phonepics while the car was on the bridge. Most of which sucked.
    But this one shows where the inner front wheel rubs the bearing arm if the car is on the bridge and steering is in full lock. Will not happen IRL though, but shows how tight the fitting really is.
    The thin line in the middle is where the rubbing occurs.

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    The grip of these Michelin PSS are amazing. I almost have as much grip in really wet conditions as I previously had in dry conditions.
    I haven't had a chance tu fully use them in the dry, but they feel amazing and hook very nicely Click here to enlarge
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    David, those wheels look really clean. Congrats!

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    Fitment looks perfect!
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    This thread deserves some update.
    After a decent rubbing in on a trackday these tires really blew me away gripwise.
    Granted, they are not semi slicks. People with Semi slicks will pass you or drive away from you on a track. But on the way home after the trackday there was a huge thunderstorm with increddible rain, and I was really glad I had these PSS tires under my car!
    They are increddible in dry and in wet conditions.By far the best street tires I ever owned.
    High cornering speed, gradual slip when overdriven, perfect stopping grip, very good traction.
    And the wear is not bad at all.
    I put them thrue their paces by pushing 2 hours of tracktime on them, on a very demanding circuit, and it did not even ate 1mm off them.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by CoreyWB Click here to enlarge
    David, those wheels look really clean. Congrats!
    Thank you Corey, I am really happy with this setup. They sure make the car look more aggressive.


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
    Fitment looks perfect!
    In all fairness, the wheels were rubbing on all 4 corners.
    I had to have the front fenders rolled, and the corners of the rear fenders (where infalling turns to flat) knocked inwards.
    This had to be done quickly because I had to go to Spa. Fortunately I managed to have it done 1 day before I left, so that was perfect timing Click here to enlarge

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    But now all rubbing is gone.
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    What are the ETs front & rear?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    I had done some research as what ET I would most likely need, but the procedure when I ordered was slightly different.
    I really like the fact that you can select the ETs. Even if there is not much room to go too high/low but still.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    What are the ETs front & rear?
    I honestly don't know.They never gave me the values.My guess would be between 45 and 48 for the front ,and close to 60 for the rear tire.
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    Glad to see all the rubbing is gone. Excellent wheels, car looks good with them. Good choice.
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    Exactly the same set I've got, 18" , 9.5 rears and 8.5 fronts.

    Congrats. You made the best choice ever.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    Excellent wheels, car looks good with them. Good choice.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sirex63 Click here to enlarge
    Exactly the same set I've got, 18" , 9.5 rears and 8.5 fronts.

    Congrats.
    Thank you both. I'm really happy with them on my car Click here to enlarge.
    Sirex, do you have any pictures of your car en profile so I ca see the wheels?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    Thank you both. I'm really happy with them on my car Click here to enlarge.
    Sirex, do you have any pictures of your car en profile so I ca see the wheels?
    I would love to show you a pic but my rep points are low doesn't allow me.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sirex63 Click here to enlarge
    I would love to show you a pic but my rep points are low doesn't allow me.
    You can put pics in your garage, which is located in your profile...
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