Close

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 36
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    le Paris
    Posts
    6,653
    Rep Points
    -258.0
    Mentioned
    48 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0


    1 out of 1 members liked this post. Reputation: Yes | No

    MT tested the P30 E63

    Click here to enlarge

    2012 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG
    BASE PRICE $91,475
    PRICE AS TESTED $131,045
    VEHICLE LAYOUT Front engine, RWD, 5-pass, 4-door sedan
    ENGINE 5.5L/550-hp/590-lb-ft twin-turbo DOHC 32-valve V-8
    TRANSMISSION 7-speed automatic
    CURB WEIGHT (F/R DIST) 4347 lb (53/47%)
    WHEELBASE 113.2 in
    LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT 192.4 x 75.9 x 56.8 in
    0-60 MPH 3.8 sec
    QUARTER MILE 12.1 sec @ 120.8 mph
    BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 103 ft
    LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.93 g (avg)
    MT FIGURE EIGHT 24.9 sec @ 0.82 g (avg)
    EPA CITY/HWY FUEL ECON 16/24 mpg
    ENERGY CONS., CITY/HWY 211/140 kW-hrs/100 miles
    CO2 EMISSIONS 1.03 lb/mile





    • It's fast in straight lines.
    • The exhaust has a great growl.
    • It has $40,000 of equipment.
    • The $12,645 carbon ceramic brakes are good for just 2 less feet distance in 60-0 braking test.
    • It's too heavy and has body roll.
    • The steering and pedal feedbacks are poor.
    • The transmission isn't as fast as other DCT's.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Encino,CA
    Posts
    7,970
    Rep Points
    5,648.9
    Mentioned
    172 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    57


    Reputation: Yes | No
    13k for big brake kit that does the same thing as 400$ aftermarket pads lol. ouch. That thing is moving though 120 trap stock. These things tuned and bolted can prob hit 130 mark.
    Burger Motorsports
    Home of the Worlds fastest N20s, N54s, N55s, S55s, N63s, and S63s!

    It is the sole responsibility of the purchaser and installer of any BMS part to employ the correct installation techniques required to ensure the proper operation of BMS parts, and BMS disclaims any and all liability for any part failure due to improper installation or use. It is the sole responsibility of the customer to verify that the use of their vehicle and items purchased comply with federal, state and local regulations. BMS claims no legal federal, state or local certification concerning pollution controlled motor vehicles or mandated emissions requirements. BMS products labeled for use only in competition racing vehicles may only be used on competition racing vehicles operated exclusively on a closed course in conjunction with a sanctioned racing event, in accordance with all federal and state laws, and may never be operated on public roads/highways. Please click here for more information on legal requirements related to use of BMS parts.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    117,104
    Rep Points
    31,294.1
    Mentioned
    2055 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    313


    Reputation: Yes | No

    Motortrend tests the 2012 W212 E63 AMG with the P30 Performance Package - 12.1@120 and 4347 pound curb weight

    We are finally starting to see more tests of M157 twin turbo V8 equipped E63 AMG's. MotorTrend got their hands on one with the P30 Performance Package which ups power to 550 horses. It comes at a price though and this E63 was not cheap with a final price of $131,045. We advise BenzBoost members to not get the Performance Package and instead get a tune that will give you more power for far less money from one of our vendors.

    12.1@120 certainly is not bad but we expected a little more out of the E63. The issue is the curb weight is higher than what we expected. The E63 is not lighter than the CLS63 AMG with its tested curb weight of 4347. It just slightly undercuts the F10 M5 which although heavier by virtue of its dual clutch transmission is able to keep pace with it. We believe we can definitively state the stock E63 AMG without the P30 package will be slightly slower than the F10 M5 and the P30 E63's will bridge that gap.

    We hope to see some F10 M5 and Performance Package E63 AMG comparisons from US magazines soon. For now, it appears the F10 M5 is not giving up anything and making more efficient use of its power. However, with a tune, the M157's are doing some real damage. It appears in that respect the Benz will have the advantage.

    Click here to enlarge


    2012 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG
    BASE PRICE $91,475
    PRICE AS TESTED $131,045
    VEHICLE LAYOUT Front engine, RWD, 5-pass, 4-door sedan
    ENGINE 5.5L/550-hp/590-lb-ft twin-turbo DOHC 32-valve V-8
    TRANSMISSION 7-speed automatic
    CURB WEIGHT (F/R DIST) 4347 lb (53/47%)
    WHEELBASE 113.2 in
    LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT 192.4 x 75.9 x 56.8 in
    0-60 MPH 3.8 sec
    QUARTER MILE 12.1 sec @ 120.8 mph
    BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 103 ft
    LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.93 g (avg)
    MT FIGURE EIGHT 24.9 sec @ 0.82 g (avg)
    EPA CITY/HWY FUEL ECON 16/24 mpg
    ENERGY CONS., CITY/HWY 211/140 kW-hrs/100 miles
    CO2 EMISSIONS 1.03 lb/mile



    • It's fast in straight lines.
    • The exhaust has a great growl.
    • It has $40,000 of equipment.
    • The $12,645 carbon ceramic brakes are good for just 2 less feet distance in 60-0 braking test.
    • It's too heavy and has body roll.
    • The steering and pedal feedbacks are poor.
    • The transmission isn't as fast as DCT's.
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    117,104
    Rep Points
    31,294.1
    Mentioned
    2055 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    313


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    13k for big brake kit that does the same thing as 400$ aftermarket pads lol. ouch. That thing is moving though 120 trap stock. These things tuned and bolted can prob hit 130 mark.
    They have hit the 130 mark: http://www.benzboost.com/showthread....-runs-10-9-131
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    1,069
    Rep Points
    0.5
    Mentioned
    46 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Neat article. Thank you for posting. Two comments:

    About the 4347lbs curb weight, Where is this figure coming from?. The E63 is lighter than the 2012 CLS63 which has a curb weight of 4277lbs. On the AMG official website you will find that the E63 sits @ around 4080lbs



    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge

    • The transmission isn't as fast as other DCT's.

    This is implying that the E63 carries a DCT transmission, which is not correct. The E63 has the 7-speed MCT speedshift, which is rated @ a very high torque and very high horsepower. weve seen on the dyno how much torque this MCT can handle. I'm not sure where they got the part about the MCT not shifting fast. The MCT shifts @ 0.1 milaseconds between each gears. They dont call it Speedshift for nothingClick here to enlarge

    The SLS AMG carries a DCT with a carbon fiber shaft.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    117,104
    Rep Points
    31,294.1
    Mentioned
    2055 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    313


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    About the 4347lbs curb weight, Where is this figure coming from?.
    MotorTrend.

    The AMG USA site has it listed at 4048. In actual tests it seems to be much heavier.
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    117,104
    Rep Points
    31,294.1
    Mentioned
    2055 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    313


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    This is implying that the E63 carries a DCT transmission, which is not correct. The E63 has the 7-speed MCT speedshift, which is rated @ a very high torque and very high horsepower. weve seen on the dyno how much torque this MCT can handle. I'm not sure where they got the part about the MCT not shifting fast. The MCT shifts @ 0.1 milaseconds between each gears. They dont call it Speedshift for nothing

    The SLS AMG carries a DCT with a carbon fiber shaft.
    He isn't implying the E63 can't handle it only that the competition which has DCT's shift faster... which they do.
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    le Paris
    Posts
    6,653
    Rep Points
    -258.0
    Mentioned
    48 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0



    Reputation: Yes | No
    The weight difference is the result of having a long long option list. I also believe MB states the dry weight. Regarding to the transmission, I only wrote what was stated in the article.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    1,069
    Rep Points
    0.5
    Mentioned
    46 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    The weight difference is the result of having a long long option list..
    Any P31 package will be lighter than the non-PP and in either case, no extra options will weigh an additional 200-330lbs.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    I also believe MB states the dry weight. Regarding to the transmission, I only wrote what was stated in the article.
    No they dont!

    the curb weight that AMG provide is for a full weight car running with all controllers running fluids,%90 fuel tank, and a 75KG driver.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    1,069
    Rep Points
    0.5
    Mentioned
    46 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    He isn't implying the E63 can't handle it only that the competition which has DCT's shift faster... which they do.
    The article is stating "
    • The transmission isn't as fast as other DCT's.

    As if the E63 carries a DCT. which it doesnt

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    1,069
    Rep Points
    0.5
    Mentioned
    46 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    MotorTrend.

    The AMG USA site has it listed at 4048. In actual tests it seems to be much heavier.
    Based on which test? has someone weighed it and found it to be 4347?

    The previous M156 E63 weighs around 4170 and this M157 weighs less :-) . Unless someone gives me proof otherwise, The M157 E63 weighs ~4048 and it is for that reason I believe it outreformed the M157 CLS runing with the same renntech tune at worse conditions and on street tires

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    1,888
    Rep Points
    1,422.5
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    15


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    Based on which test? has someone weighed it and found it to be 4347?

    The previous M156 E63 weighs around 4170 and this M157 weighs less :-) . Unless someone gives me proof otherwise, The M157 E63 weighs ~4048 and it is for that reason I believe it outreformed the M157 CLS runing with the same renntech tune at worse conditions and on street tires
    Exactly, I am going with Benz listed numbers. It only makes sense, although built on the same wheelbase the CLS is longer and a bit wider.

    MotorTrend's test of the F10 M5 said the curb weight was 4384.

    Wonder where MotorTrend is getting these numbers, are they actually putting them on a scale?


  13. #13
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    le Paris
    Posts
    6,653
    Rep Points
    -258.0
    Mentioned
    48 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0



    Reputation: Yes | No
    Dude (SLS AMG) no offense at all, but sometimes you argue for nothing worthy. I apologize if i made a mistake regarding to the transmission part.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG
    The M157 E63 weighs ~4048
    http://germanboost.com/showthread.ph...and-Jaguar-XFR The MB's weight is 4252, i don't know if it was loaded with every option or not.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    le Paris
    Posts
    6,653
    Rep Points
    -258.0
    Mentioned
    48 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0



    Reputation: Yes | No
    Mass as tested [E63 without P30 package]: 1958 KG (4316 lbs)

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    117,104
    Rep Points
    31,294.1
    Mentioned
    2055 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    313


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    The weight difference is the result of having a long long option list. I also believe MB states the dry weight. Regarding to the transmission, I only wrote what was stated in the article.
    MB states the curb weight. Don't know how they could miss it by this much though...
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    117,104
    Rep Points
    31,294.1
    Mentioned
    2055 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    313


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    The article is stating "
    • The transmission isn't as fast as other DCT's.

    As if the E63 carries a DCT. which it doesnt
    It can be read that way but it can also be read as it isn't as fast as others with DCT's. I will edit for clarification.
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    117,104
    Rep Points
    31,294.1
    Mentioned
    2055 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    313


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    Based on which test? has someone weighed it and found it to be 4347?

    The previous M156 E63 weighs around 4170 and this M157 weighs less :-) . Unless someone gives me proof otherwise, The M157 E63 weighs ~4048 and it is for that reason I believe it outreformed the M157 CLS runing with the same renntech tune at worse conditions and on street tires
    There was a European test that had the E63 heavier than the F10 M5 I believe...
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    117,104
    Rep Points
    31,294.1
    Mentioned
    2055 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    313


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Mass as tested [E63 without P30 package]: 1958 KG (4316 lbs)
    Please do not link there, just post the data:

    Click here to enlarge
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    117,104
    Rep Points
    31,294.1
    Mentioned
    2055 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    313


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    Exactly, I am going with Benz listed numbers. It only makes sense, although built on the same wheelbase the CLS is longer and a bit wider.

    MotorTrend's test of the F10 M5 said the curb weight was 4384.

    Wonder where MotorTrend is getting these numbers, are they actually putting them on a scale?
    It's consistent, the E63 is heavier than what MB advertised it as. Every independent test has it in the 43XX range unfortunately:

    Click here to enlarge
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    1,888
    Rep Points
    1,422.5
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    15


    1 out of 1 members liked this post. Reputation: Yes | No
    MotorTrend says two completely different things about the MCT, in the CLS63 test vs E63 test. Does MotorTrend realize it is the same transmission.

    From E63 test:
    The seven-speed automatic doesn't exactly bring lightning-quick shifts to the table -- not even in Sport+ or manual mode. Other dual-clutch units do it slightly better.
    From CLS63 test:
    Helping put all those ponies down to the pavement is AMG's Speedshift seven-speed transmission with its MCT (multi-clutch technology) system, which employs a start-up clutch in place of a conventional torque converter. Benz claims shifts come in little as 100 milliseconds when dialed up to the sharpest settings. You can further engage in the shifting experience through wonderfully placed and sized paddle shifters. We tried all four shift modes, including most notably the Sport+ setting, and with the exception of a few slight hiccups in the M paddle mode we experienced under hard up and downshifts, it's arguably the best-tuned automatic tranny in the business.


  21. #21
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    117,104
    Rep Points
    31,294.1
    Mentioned
    2055 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    313


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    MotorTrend says two completely different things about the MCT, in the CLS63 test vs E63 test. Does MotorTrend realize it is the same transmission.

    From E63 test:


    From CLS63 test:
    Excellent point, that is a glaring inconsistency. Embarrassing for a publication like MotorTrend.
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    1,051
    Rep Points
    339.4
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    4


    Reputation: Yes | No
    The numbers are on par with the p31 C63s.
    C63 Tuned Only 60-130 in 8.71

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    117,104
    Rep Points
    31,294.1
    Mentioned
    2055 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    313


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonsC63AMG Click here to enlarge
    The numbers are on par with the p31 C63s.
    Good point although these can gain more from a tune.
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    638
    Rep Points
    567.0
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    6


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    the curb weight that AMG provide is for a full weight car running with all controllers running fluids,%90 fuel tank, and a 75KG driver.
    This is correct. However, you should note that the curb weight advertised by Mercedes does NOT include any options. And some options can add up to a good amount of weight... Panoramic roof, Navigation, LSD, Bi-Xenon lights, etc....

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    About the 4347lbs curb weight, Where is this figure coming from?. The E63 is lighter than the 2012 CLS63 which has a curb weight of 4277lbs. On the AMG official website you will find that the E63 sits @ around 4080lbs
    I agree that (in general), the E63 will be likely lighter than the CLS63 except for very few unusual cases.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    I'm not sure where they got the part about the MCT not shifting fast. The MCT shifts @ 0.1 milaseconds between each gears. They dont call it Speedshift for nothingClick here to enlarge
    The 100 ms shift speed is only in manual mode. The fastest auto-mode (S+) can only shift at 120 ms. In comparison, BMW's (now extinct) SMG transmission was capable of shifting at 60 ms 5-years ago. So when Mercedes introduces a brand new transmission that is almost twice-as-slow as other competitors, it may not feel "fast" enough for these testers. By the way, I think BMW's current DCT is capable of shifting in less than 50 ms, so does VW's DSG, etc...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    The previous M156 E63 weighs around 4170 and this M157 weighs less :-) . Unless someone gives me proof otherwise, The M157 E63 weighs ~4048 and it is for that reason I believe it outreformed the M157 CLS runing with the same renntech tune at worse conditions and on street tires
    The advertised weight of M156 E63 was 4035 lbs when I purchased my car. However, after weighting over 10 E63s at many track events, the average weight came out to around 4150 lbs just as you mentioned above. Some of the cars with pano roof and performance package even weight heavier (4300 lbs) with half a tank of fuel.

    So if the advertised weight of the M157 is 4048 lbs, I would expect the actual weight (with an averagely equipped model) to end up around 4170 lbs.... but keep in mind that some cars could weight a little heavier.
    2007 E63 P30
    Click here to enlarge

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    117,104
    Rep Points
    31,294.1
    Mentioned
    2055 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    313


    Reputation: Yes | No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Exeenom Click here to enlarge
    The 100 ms shift speed is only in manual mode. The fastest auto-mode (S+) can only shift at 120 ms. In comparison, BMW's (now extinct) SMG transmission was capable of shifting at 60 ms 5-years ago. So when Mercedes introduces a brand new transmission that is almost twice-as-slow as other competitors, it may not feel "fast" enough for these testers. By the way, I think BMW's current DCT is capable of shifting in less than 50 ms, so does VW's DSG, etc...
    4-8 ms... good luck topping that Click here to enlarge
    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •