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    Digitec LLC in Dubai- 641 RWHP on a M157 with upgraded turbos

    This shop is in Dubai. They work alot on AMG cars. The owner also posted on Mbworld. They equipped this 2012 CLS63 with larger Garret turbos and a matched tune with it. The car still does not have an Exahust and is runing at stock exahust. They will install a new exahust next week and run it on the dyno again.

    This car had a baseline of 534 RWHP. It had a Brabus tune. check out the new turbos that were installed. the result is an stonishing 641RWHP and 915 RWTQ. Torque is in NM. I was on the phone with them last Thursday. They have a German tuner ,Sebastian, who is amazing at what he does. My brother will be getting the new SL63 with 5.5TT and we will be taking it to Digitec as well :-)

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    Also look at how fat it picks up speed from 160kph-280kph , around 14 sec, its pretty impressive.
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    Sorry for my double post. this is the thread I intended to make.

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    Awesome! MB makes some great motors!

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    It will even make more power to the wheels when they install the new exhust and adjust the boost level

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    I'll buy it with new wheels. In the USA we would be asking for timeslips right about now.

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    did yu see the video I posted. this was done @ 20C temperature. I'll see if they will take this to the track and inform you. The track conditions in the Middle-East are not as good as they are in Europe or the USA

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    Looks interesting. Turbos look significantly bigger. Will be a good indication to see what the transmission can hold.

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    That's awesome. Already a BT mod for this engine and it's barely out. 800 whp is right around the corner with some downpipes, intercooler etc.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by George Smooth Click here to enlarge
    Looks interesting. Turbos look significantly bigger. Will be a good indication to see what the transmission can hold.
    The newly developed MCT speedshift transmission, which was first introduced in the 2009 SL63, can hold up to 1000HP.

    The new Brabus CLS rocket, which makes 800HP and 1100NM is equipped with the MCT transmission.

    http://www.worldcarfans.com/11109123...z-cls-revealed

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    The newly developed MCT speedshift transmission, which was first introduced in the 2009 SL63, can hold up to 1000HP.

    The new Brabus CLS rocket, which makes 800HP and 1100NM is equipped with the MCT transmission.

    http://www.worldcarfans.com/11109123...z-cls-revealed
    Definitely not a stock transmission.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Definitely not a stock transmission.
    No boss.

    Its the same transmission fitted on the M156 E63, SL63 and M157 CLS63, E63, and SL63.Click here to enlarge

    the TCU tune however is diffrent in the Brabus cars, which nobody can play with except Brabus and AMG. Contact brabus for more info. They are the ones that told me the same MCT speedshift is the same one used on the erlier models.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    No boss.

    Its the same transmission fitted on the M156 E63, SL63 and M157 CLS63, E63, and SL63.Click here to enlarge

    the TCU tune however is diffrent in the Brabus cars, which nobody can play with except Brabus and AMG. Contact brabus for more info. They are the ones that told me the same MCT speedshift is the same one used on the erlier models.
    Thanks for the info! But, correct me if I am wrong, both Brabus Rocket CLS-classs & Brabus Bullit C-class V12 M275 conversion are still indeed using the 5G-tronic from last time I spoke to them. Not the 7G-tronic MCT, which was release in 2009 to the SL63 (M156) first 750Nm version & then MCT ~1000Nm version for M157. So, that said yes the TCU EGS52/53 on 5G-tronic are indeed tuneable to 1300NM =)

    The dyno they have done was in 5th & 6th gear, which will give more load for upgraded turbos. I wonder in 4th gear what numbers will they run from the upgraded turbos compare to stock & if there was more lag?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m54b25 Click here to enlarge
    Thanks for the info! But, correct me if I am wrong, both Brabus Rocket CLS-classs & Brabus Bullit C-class V12 M275 conversion are still indeed using the 5G-tronic from last time I spoke to them. Not the 7G-tronic MCT, which was release in 2009 to the SL63 (M156) first 750Nm version & then MCT ~1000Nm version for M157. So, that said yes the TCU EGS52/53 on 5G-tronic are indeed tuneable to 1300NM =)

    The dyno they have done was in 5th & 6th gear, which will give more load for upgraded turbos. I wonder in 4th gear what numbers will they run from the upgraded turbos compare to stock & if there was more lag?

    No problem, anytime! When was the last time you spoke with them?. I spoke with them just about a month ago. I am pretty sure and confident that the new Brabus 800 Rocket and the Brabus 800 bullit have switched to a 7-speed transmission. look at the link above that I posted and here is wording from the Brabus official website, go to the description section on either the new Bullit 800 or Rocket 800:

    http://www.Brabus.com

    When you hit the Rocket 800 description, you'll find:

    " For the first time the BRABUS engine specialists combine this high-end engine with a seven-speed quick-shift gearbox. Gears are shifted by means of shift paddles on the steering wheel or automatically"

    When you hit the Bullit 800 description, you'll find:

    " Power is transferred to the rear wheels via an appropriately reinforced seven-speed automatic transmission, which is shifted either automatically or manually via shift paddles on the steering wheel"

    The previous Brabus supercars were using the 5-speed transmission. Brabus switched to the new MCT transmission due its capability of handling more power and providing better shifting. I do not know who you spoke with. Did you speak to Brabus directly or some middle-man?

    Secondly, Where did you get this info about the MCT having a 750NM and 1000NM versions?. You are the first person I am hearing this from. I spoke to many tuners, AMG staff, and Mercedes specialists. All are telling me the MCT that was first introduced in the 2009 SL63 is the same throughout to the 2012 CLS63. Did you mean they had diffrent TCU tunes?, if thats the case then I do not know.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    The previous Brabus supercars were using the 5-speed transmission. Brabus switched to the new MCT transmission due its capability of handling more power and providing better shifting. I do not know who you spoke with. Did you speak to Brabus directly or some middle-man?
    They seem to be the only ones doing the 7 speed with the M275 but if they did it is likely not due to its torque handling potential but for better mileage.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    They seem to be the only ones doing the 7 speed with the M275 but if they did it is likely not due to its torque handling potential but for better mileage.
    I kinda doubt any full Brabus conversions are engineered with "better mileage" in mind.

    More likely, better torque transfer through the superior MCT, faster shifting, and better (more) gearing for superior acceleration vs. the relatively antiquated 5 speed.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
    I kinda doubt any full Brabus conversions are engineered with "better mileage" in mind.

    More likely, better torque transfer through the superior MCT, faster shifting, and better (more) gearing for superior acceleration vs. the relatively antiquated 5 speed.
    Why would the MCT produce better torque transfer?

    I don't see the 7 speed providing superior acceleration necessarily than the 5 speed that is spending more time in gear with all that torque and those turbos. The 7 speed can have a gearing advantage until it shifts as it will have to shift more. Why would the 7 speed accelerate faster in 3rd than the 5 speed in first?

    The 5 speed is old but stout.

    Mercedes went to the 7 speed with mileage in mind.

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    Yes, thanks! I guess for the 800 series (789bhp) the are going to use indeed the 7g-tronic MCT reinforced. Since previous Bullit & Rocket (740bhp version) used a modified 5g-tronic.

    MCT, a wet starting clutch for automatic transmission w/cooling (HCC) nominal torque info was from ZF Sachs AG. The HCC185-6 1st series production was used on the SL63 (or similar M156) & HCC185-8 for later cars bi-turbo. Might also be a possibility of a variation of HCC185-10 (for over 1000Nm)

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    No problem, anytime! When was the last time you spoke with them?. I spoke with them just about a month ago. I am pretty sure and confident that the new Brabus 800 Rocket and the Brabus 800 bullit have switched to a 7-speed transmission. look at the link above that I posted and here is wording from the Brabus official website, go to the description section on either the new Bullit 800 or Rocket 800:

    http://www.Brabus.com

    When you hit the Rocket 800 description, you'll find:

    " For the first time the BRABUS engine specialists combine this high-end engine with a seven-speed quick-shift gearbox. Gears are shifted by means of shift paddles on the steering wheel or automatically"

    When you hit the Bullit 800 description, you'll find:

    " Power is transferred to the rear wheels via an appropriately reinforced seven-speed automatic transmission, which is shifted either automatically or manually via shift paddles on the steering wheel"

    The previous Brabus supercars were using the 5-speed transmission. Brabus switched to the new MCT transmission due its capability of handling more power and providing better shifting. I do not know who you spoke with. Did you speak to Brabus directly or some middle-man?

    Secondly, Where did you get this info about the MCT having a 750NM and 1000NM versions?. You are the first person I am hearing this from. I spoke to many tuners, AMG staff, and Mercedes specialists. All are telling me the MCT that was first introduced in the 2009 SL63 is the same throughout to the 2012 CLS63. Did you mean they had diffrent TCU tunes?, if thats the case then I do not know.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m54b25 Click here to enlarge
    Yes, thanks! I guess for the 800 series (789bhp) the are going to use indeed the 7g-tronic MCT reinforced. Since previous Bullit & Rocket (740bhp version) used a modified 5g-tronic.
    So the new 65 models will all have 7g transmissions but with hardware changes? What are the changes?

    How do you know this?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    They seem to be the only ones doing the 7 speed with the M275 but if they did it is likely not due to its torque handling potential but for better mileage.
    If you contact Brabus, they will tell they made the switch due to the fact that the MCT handles more power and provides better shifting. :-)

    It is EXACTLEY the same transmission introduced to the 2009 SL63 but with a diffrent TCU tune and diffrent clutch packing

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    If you contact Brabus, they will tell they made the switch due to the fact that the MCT handles more power and provides better shifting. :-)

    It is EXACTLEY the same transmission introduced to the 2009 SL63 but with a diffrent TCU tune and diffrent clutch packing
    I guess I'm trying to understand how the 7 speed can handle more than the 5 speed. Theoretically the 5 speed should be the stouter box and have more room for upgraded parts.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I guess I'm trying to understand how the 7 speed can handle more than the 5 speed. Theoretically the 5 speed should be the stouter box and have more room for upgraded parts.
    Theoratically, yes. However, AMG have done amazing magic with this new MCT. More powerful transmiison, better shifting, and better fuel. You can view the engineering and design of this MCT on the official AMG website. Pure German art. :-)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
    Theoratically, yes. However, AMG have done amazing magic with this new MCT. More powerful transmiison, better shifting, and better fuel. You can view the engineering and design of this MCT on the official AMG website. Pure German art. :-)
    If it is handling this torque then yes, magic/art Click here to enlarge

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    I'll buy it with new wheels. In the USA we would be asking for timeslips right about now.
    Nice results.

    I'm with Sticky, would like to see video of it at the dragstrip and a timeslip.

    Too many dyno variables.

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