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    These guys use Xtra units and as not carb legal...of little use to those in North America...but competition is always good!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    These guys use Xtra units and as not carb legal...of little use to those in North America...but competition is always good!
    Could easily be redist to the US in time. The more designs and options available the more of these we will see in the future and for better prices.

    This one is quite expensive though. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    These guys use Xtra units and as not carb legal...of little use to those in North America...but competition is always good!
    Well said.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
    This one is quite expensive though.
    European tuners often price themselves out of our market.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    European tuners often price themselves out of our market.
    It's not hard to do these days when you look at the Euro vs the Dollar.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    These guys use Xtra units and as not carb legal...of little use to those in North America...but competition is always good!
    North America? CARB only matters in California, and only if the vehicle owner cares about maintaining emissions legality. CARB doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the other 49 states, or Canada.

    And the blower's simply one facet of the overall picture. AFAIK, every set of LT headers available for the M156 are for "off-road use only, and never to be used on a public roadway" or whatever the boilerplate disclaimer is.

    So, you could have a CARB-legal blower, but CARB-illegal headers, and the overall car is considered illegal in CA. Frankly, tampering with the emissions related equipment technically makes the car illegal for any public roadway usage in the U.S., from what I understand.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
    It's not hard to do these days when you look at the Euro vs the Dollar.
    Especially now but their stuff for some reason always has been more than their US counterparts. I think they bank more on the name brands.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
    North America? CARB only matters in California, and only if the vehicle owner cares about maintaining emissions legality. CARB doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the other 49 states, or Canada.

    And the blower's simply one facet of the overall picture. AFAIK, every set of LT headers available for the M156 are for "off-road use only, and never to be used on a public roadway" or whatever the boilerplate disclaimer is.

    So, you could have a CARB-legal blower, but CARB-illegal headers, and the overall car is considered illegal in CA. Frankly, tampering with the emissions related equipment technically makes the car illegal for any public roadway usage in the U.S., from what I understand.
    If it is of so little use, why do so many companies even bother to ensure they are CARB legal?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    If it is of so little use, why do so many companies even bother to ensure they are CARB legal?
    I agree. Most every state in the country uses California as a guide for future emissions regulations. Unfortunately, California is the gold standard and sets the bar when it comes to emissions. Having CARB approval has much further reaching implications than simply being legal in California. It's a big deal, and not something easily achieved.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    I agree. Most every state in the country uses California as a guide for future emissions regulations. Unfortunately, California is the gold standard and sets the bar when it comes to emissions. Having CARB approval has much further reaching implications than simply being legal in California. It's a big deal, and not something easily achieved.
    This is very true and it lends a great deal of credibility to the engineering of the system in the way it interacts with OEM components as well. Shows a great level of control of sophistication.

    It is understandable that a European tuner would not seek CARB approval though.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
    If it is of so little use, why do so many companies even bother to ensure they are CARB legal?
    Because California is a big market for aftermarket automotive products, would be my guess anyway.

    I'm not going to reply to each person's post, but let me clarify: intentionally or unintentionally, you guys are taking my reply way out of context. I never said it was of little use. I never said it wasn't a big deal.

    It's this simple: ecampbell posted (paraphrasing) that a piece of aftermarket M156 hardware would be "of little use" to North American enthusiasts due to it's lack of CARB approval. I disagree with that statement. To support my position... are aftermarket LT headers of little use to North American M156 owners? (that's rhetorical).

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
    To support my position... are aftermarket LT headers of little use to North American M156 owners? (that's rhetorical).
    It is rhetorical.

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