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    C63 Black Series - Teamspeed - Laguna Seca Lap Time

    http://www.teamspeed.com/forums/amg/...screaming.html

    "517 track-tuned horsepower, wild looks and Laguna Seca - what more could we possibly want?"

    "In fact, even AMG appears surprised at just how briskly the C63 Black will go round corners. In the hands of ex-DTM Champion and current AMG Ambassador Bernd Schneider, it’s lapping in the 1:36s – a full three seconds quicker than anyone had anticipated."





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    Mercedes C63 AMG Coupé Black Series: California screaming
    517 track-tuned horsepower, wild looks and Laguna Seca - what more could we possibly want?
    Text by CJ Hubbard - Teamspeed.com contributing Editor

    The Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Coupé Black Series is one mean looking machine, but don’t let that fool you too much. As the fourth model to garner AMG’s ultimate performance label, yes, it’s a bit of an animal – but boy does it have a big heart.

    That almost goes without saying when a car of such relatively compact proportions has a 517hp 6.2-litre V8 crammed under its vented aluminum hood. Yet the latest evolution of AMG’s chassis tuning philosophy delivers a driving experience that flatters far more than it punishes. This is nothing like the first Black Series, the fixed-roof SLK55 – a car that preferred to dominate, not submit – and is far closer in character to the sublime CLK63 Black Series. But there’s more to it than even that.

    The body mods are wild. Those flexed front fenders are 28mm wider on each side, while the 42mm increase either side at the back covers a 78mm expansion of the rear track. There are new bumpers, chunky side skirts and a purposeful diffuser. You can step it up still further by optioning the Aerodynamic Package; fitted to all the cars we’re driving here at Laguna Seca, this includes a functional front splitter, aero flics and an adjustable rear spoiler – carbon fiber wonderland.

    And its go, not show – good news as we head out onto such an undulating circuit. The aero parts halve lift at the front and zero it out altogether at the rear, keeping the C63 Black planted as you crest the rise over turn 1 at full chat. Then it’s hard on the brakes for the late apex turn 2. It’s at this point you’re glad AMG has also fitted the also optional Track Package, which alongside an active cooling system for the limited slip diff includes exclusively developed Dunlop rubber for the 19-inch alloy wheels.

    To give you an idea just how sticky these tires are, AMG reckons they cut the 0-62mph time to 3.9 seconds – that’s 0.3 seconds faster than non Track Pack cars. Not that the C63 has any trouble whatsoever overwhelming them if you’re too heavy too early on the gas as turn 2 opens out. Which is to say even with the ESP Sport Handling mode thoroughly engaged – let alone with the stability control completely switched off – the Black Series will go pretty seriously sideways. Fortunately there’s plenty of space here, and you can gather it up without losing much forward momentum. Glorious fun.

    So despite its moody appearance, the C63 Black quickly establishes itself as an amiable beast. Riding on all new adjustable AMG coilover suspension, the factory settings are softer than you might expect – as AMG now relies less on stiff springs and more on aerodynamics and other chassis components to deliver cornering stability. The result is a level of compliance that means you’ll be able to push the car harder over compromised road surfaces.

    While the smooth asphalt around Laguna Seca isn’t the most obvious demonstration of this, the quality of the damping shines out as the Black Series shrugs off the compression through turn 6 just before you head up the hill towards the Corkscrew. As a powerful front-engined rear-wheel drive car it’s never going to develop the kind of corner exit traction of a 911 – hence the exuberant, tail wagging available on demand. But it carries speed through faster curves beautifully, and its suppleness conjures far more grip than seems feasible.

    In fact, even AMG appears surprised at just how briskly the C63 Black will go round corners. In the hands of ex-DTM Champion and current AMG Ambassador Bernd Schneider, it’s lapping in the 1:36s – a full three seconds quicker than anyone had anticipated.

    Let’s not forget the engine. In Black Series guise this naturally aspirated piece of automotive theatre develops 60hp more than the standard C63 – the remapped ECU aided and abetted by connecting rods, forged pistons and lightweight crankshaft borrowed wholesale from the SLS. There’s improved cooling, too, plus a vigorous 457lb ft of torque – all of which is enough to trouble the 155mph electronic limiter with such distain it’s been reset to 186.

    The C63 Black never feels outmatched by the gradients around Laguna Seca, asserting its primal energy with a bellowing, guttural roar that would break the heart of many a supercar owner. This surging hunger is complimented by a wicked snap, crackle and pop on the overrun, and a satisfying thwock with every upshift.

    Handling those gear changes is the AMG Speedshift MCT 7-speed paddleshift automatic. This is mildly frustrating in some respects, as unless you time your manual changes precisely it can leave you a little short of anticipated engine braking, or clatter straight into the redline. But for an easy life there is always the Sport+ auto setting, which does an astonishing job of getting the downshifts right on the way into corners and maximizing acceleration on the way out.

    On the inside, the Black Series comes with fixed-back racing buckets as standard, a flat-bottomed steering wheel and plenty of black Alcantara. AMG has also ditched the rear seat to save weight (though you can have it put back if you want). One further innovation is the optional AMG Performance Media system – an incredibly detailed data logger that allows you to analyze your lap times moment by moment in light of parameters including throttle and brake pressure, g-load, steering angle and speed. It has enormous potential as a driver improvement tool.

    But this car’s greatest trick is surely the way it so swiftly builds your confidence; it deals with the Corkscrew like there’s nothing to it, and offers just huge enjoyment in the process. While it might not have the outright precision of the obvious Porsche rival, its more elastic limits mean you can have a great time larking about – yet as Herr Schneider proves, the C63 Black Series can also set scorching lap times. What a car.

    But then at around €115,000 for a C-Class, it really ought to be.

    US pricing has not yet been announced.
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    How does 1:36 compare to other cars?

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    Laguna Seca Times from Fastest Laps (there are more, thats just part of the list) http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html

    1. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 1:33.92 138 '08 600 / 1536 Chris Winkler
    2. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 1:34.43 137 '11 512 / 1394 Motor Trend
    3. Devon GTX 1:35.08 136 0 659 / 0 Devon
    4. Porsche 911 GT2 RS 1:35.56 136 '10 620 / 1370 Excellence
    5. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:35.80 135 '08 647 / 1530 Motor Trend
    6. Ferrari 458 Italia 1:36.22 135 '09 570 / 1485 Motor Trend
    7. Nissan GT-R 1:36.35 135 '11 530 / 1736 Motor Trend
    8. Lexus LF-A 1:36.39 135 '10 560 / 1609 Motor Trend
    9. Audi R8 GT 1:36.39 135 '10 560 / 1520 Motor Trend
    10. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 1:36.77 134 '10 450 / 1400 Motor Trend
    11. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 1:37.40 133 '11 512 / 1394 Motor Trend
    12. Porsche 911 Turbo 1:37.80 133 '09 500 / 1570 Car and Driver
    13. Mercedes SLS AMG 1:38.82 131 '10 571 / 1620 Motor Trend
    14. Ford Mustang Boss 302 LS 1:39.50 130 '12 446 / 1573 Road and Track
    15. Porsche 911 GT3 1:39.52 130 '06 415 / 1395 Motor Trend
    16. Porsche 911 Turbo 1:39.89 130 '06 480 / 1585 Edmunds
    17. Porsche 911 Turbo S 1:40.11 130 '10 530 / 1585 Road and Track
    18. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 1:40.20 129 '09 525 / 1620 Road and Track
    19. Ford Mustang Boss 302 1:40.21 129 '11 450 / 1650 Motor Trend
    20. Nissan GT-R 1:40.45 129 '08 479 / 1740 Motor Trend
    21. Mercedes SLS AMG 1:40.74 129 '10 571 / 1620 Bern Schneider
    22. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:40.75 129 '06 420 / 1560 Motor Trend
    23. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:40.90 129 '05 513 / 1437 Motor Trend
    24. Porsche Cayman R 1:41.64 128 '10 330 / 1320 Motor Trend
    25. Lotus Evora S 1:42.49 127 '11 351 / 1437 Motor Trend
    26. BMW M3 1:42.96 126 '07 420 / 1619 Motor Trend
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    Wow, that is nice company.

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    remember these times vary

    as randy pobst ran a 1:34:43 in the Z06/Z07
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
    remember these times vary

    as randy pobst ran a 1:34:43 in the Z06/Z07
    Sure, they vary, but that is elite company.

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    I agree! Amazing time. Only 2 new cars I want now. This and excited to see more about the new 991.

    also on a side note can I say how annoying it is that it gives you a notification that your post was quoted. Its like a voicemail I dont need it! Is there a way to change it so it doesn't? Also it doesnt work half the time, it says there is a notification then it doesnt show anything new. Just keeping you informed Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
    also on a side note can I say how annoying it is that it gives you a notification that your post was quoted. Its like a voicemail I dont need it! Is there a way to change it so it doesn't?
    Of course you can turn it off, go into your settings under user tagging: http://www.benzboost.com/profile.php...sertag_options

    What do you mean by it doesn't work half the time?

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    it will notify me that I have been quoted. Then when i click on the notification it takes me to the notification page but doesnt show the new post quotes. It was old ones. It just started working again yesterday but for awhile nothing new would be shown, just the old quotes that were already there. It was like this for awhile.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
    it will notify me that I have been quoted. Then when i click on the notification it takes me to the notification page but doesnt show the new post quotes. It was old ones. It just started working again yesterday but for awhile nothing new would be shown, just the old quotes that were already there. It was like this for awhile.
    Weird...

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    "This Mercedes feels more like a Porsche 911 GT3 RS than almost any other road-legal performance car" - AUTOCAR
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
    "This Mercedes feels more like a Porsche 911 GT3 RS than almost any other road-legal performance car" - AUTOCAR
    That is a bold statement. It's really making me want one...

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    ^Be prepared to spend upwards of $120k+. That's a whole different level of dough - but if you have the cash, then hey why not? Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    ^Be prepared to spend upwards of $120k+. That's a whole different level of dough - but if you have the cash, then hey why not? Click here to enlarge
    Then another $15k on top for the Weistec SC... Click here to enlarge

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    oh my that is moving so fast!
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    C63 AMG Black Series Coupe laps Laguna Seca in 1:36 - As fast as a 458 Italia, Nissan GT-R, and Lexus LF-A

    We all knew the C63 AMG Black Series Coupe was going to be an impressive vehicle. We just had no idea it would raise the bar so far. Ex-DTM driver and champion Bernd Schneider was able to get it around the famed Laguna Seca course in a minute and thirty-six seconds. That puts the C63 Black Series on par with the 458 Italia, Nissan GT-R, Lexus LF-A, Porsche, 997 GT3 RS, and Audi R8 GT around the roadcourse. Pretty elite company indeed, check out the laptime list from fasted laps for Laguna Seca below.

    1. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 1:33.92 138 '08 600 / 1536 Chris Winkler
    2. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 1:34.43 137 '11 512 / 1394 Motor Trend
    3. Devon GTX 1:35.08 136 0 659 / 0 Devon
    4. Porsche 911 GT2 RS 1:35.56 136 '10 620 / 1370 Excellence
    5. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:35.80 135 '08 647 / 1530 Motor Trend
    6. Ferrari 458 Italia 1:36.22 135 '09 570 / 1485 Motor Trend
    7. Nissan GT-R 1:36.35 135 '11 530 / 1736 Motor Trend
    8. Lexus LF-A 1:36.39 135 '10 560 / 1609 Motor Trend
    9. Audi R8 GT 1:36.39 135 '10 560 / 1520 Motor Trend
    10. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 1:36.77 134 '10 450 / 1400 Motor Trend
    11. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 1:37.40 133 '11 512 / 1394 Motor Trend
    12. Porsche 911 Turbo 1:37.80 133 '09 500 / 1570 Car and Driver
    13. Mercedes SLS AMG 1:38.82 131 '10 571 / 1620 Motor Trend
    14. Ford Mustang Boss 302 LS 1:39.50 130 '12 446 / 1573 Road and Track
    15. Porsche 911 GT3 1:39.52 130 '06 415 / 1395 Motor Trend
    16. Porsche 911 Turbo 1:39.89 130 '06 480 / 1585 Edmunds
    17. Porsche 911 Turbo S 1:40.11 130 '10 530 / 1585 Road and Track
    18. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 1:40.20 129 '09 525 / 1620 Road and Track
    19. Ford Mustang Boss 302 1:40.21 129 '11 450 / 1650 Motor Trend
    20. Nissan GT-R 1:40.45 129 '08 479 / 1740 Motor Trend
    21. Mercedes SLS AMG 1:40.74 129 '10 571 / 1620 Bern Schneider
    22. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:40.75 129 '06 420 / 1560 Motor Trend
    23. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:40.90 129 '05 513 / 1437 Motor Trend
    24. Porsche Cayman R 1:41.64 128 '10 330 / 1320 Motor Trend
    25. Lotus Evora S 1:42.49 127 '11 351 / 1437 Motor Trend
    26. BMW M3 1:42.96 126 '07 420 / 1619 Motor Trend

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    MB AMG has really upped their game on this!! I used to always believe that AMG cars were like the European raw muscle cars, but couldn't really handle well on the track. This was always why I favored BMW M cars. But with AMG's huge step forward in all categories of automotive engineering, they have really won me over. It looks like this will demolish an M3 GTS, haha....Again, I am an M Fanatic for life, so this isn't easy for me to admit. Click here to enlarge

    With that said, I want one...if only my bank account would let me.Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
    I used to always believe that AMG cars were like the European raw muscle cars, but couldn't really handle well on the track. This was always why I favored BMW M cars.
    Same here but AMG is doing a better job at being M than BMW M is.

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    awesomeness....what's even more awesome? Our Toronto location gets its C63 Black delivered next week!Tuning anyone????

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jake@Eurocharged.com Click here to enlarge
    awesomeness....what's even more awesome? Our Toronto location gets its C63 Black delivered next week!Tuning anyone????
    That is awesome, pictures please...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    We all knew the C63 AMG Black Series Coupe was going to be an impressive vehicle. We just had no idea it would raise the bar so far. Ex-DTM driver and champion Bernd Schneider was able to get it around the famed Laguna Seca course in a minute and thirty-six seconds. That puts the C63 Black Series on par with the 458 Italia, Nissan GT-R, Lexus LF-A, Porsche, 997 GT3 RS, and Audi R8 GT around the roadcourse. Pretty elite company indeed, check out the laptime list from fasted laps for Laguna Seca below.
    I feel pretty confident that if you put the 458 in Bernd Schneider's hands instead of whatever amateur was driving it for Motor Trend, he would cut a lap a lot quicker than 1:36. For the sake of direct comparison, the only time listed above that matters is Bernd's 1:40 in the SLS. It still puts the C63 BS in some very fast company, though. But I guarantee you it's not gonna hang with a 458.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jake@Eurocharged.com Click here to enlarge
    awesomeness....what's even more awesome? Our Toronto location gets its C63 Black delivered next week!Tuning anyone????
    Is this a customer car that you guys are getting to mod or will it be owned by Eurocharged ?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    I feel pretty confident that if you put the 458 in Bernd Schneider's hands instead of whatever amateur was driving it for Motor Trend, he would cut a lap a lot quicker than 1:36. For the sake of direct comparison, the only time listed above that matters is Bernd's 1:40 in the SLS. It still puts the C63 BS in some very fast company, though. But I guarantee you it's not gonna hang with a 458.
    I do not disagree with you but these are the laptimes we have to go on. Definitely impressive company which shows the vehicle is quite capable.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I do not disagree with you but these are the laptimes we have to go on. Definitely impressive company which shows the vehicle is quite capable.
    I'd like to see some Nurburgring times. That is the ultimate test of a cars capabilities and really shows exactly how good it is.

    I'd also like to know if those front and rear vents/air extractors are functional like the ones on the CLK BS.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    I'd like to see some Nurburgring times. That is the ultimate test of a cars capabilities and really shows exactly how good it is.
    The ring is turning a bit into a power course due to its length. I do agree it is the most challenging with all the different turns one has to navigate but a ring laptime is just part of a puzzle as well. This thing will probably be in the low 7:40 to maybe high 7:30 range based on what we have seen here.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    I'd also like to know if those front and rear vents/air extractors are functional like the ones on the CLK BS.
    Good question, I certainly hope so!

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