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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AMG4V Click here to enlarge
    That might very well be the case.
    However in this case it just doesn't sound right. Also, i just can't picture that rich farmer dude in a C63, sorry.
    You can't picture it, because you are clearly misinformed. A farm is not a ranch. Ranches are used for hunting, relaxing, possibly raising cattle. Most Texans with ranches have them as second homes. That being said, one of my buddies is a farmer down here and he just got rid of his G55 AMG. 3 of the guys I work with all own both Benz's and ranches as well.

    You can picture all Texans with American pickup trucks and wranglers if you'd like, but that's ignorant and inaccurate.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Graham Rahal was selling the $8k Renntech headers that came on his Black Series when he bought it - they look very similar to the ones here...there is a pic of them on MBW but I cannot access it...here is the page:

    http://mbworld.org/forums/clk63-blac...ound-pipe.html
    Again, what is it with the $8000 header, THOSE ARE SHORTIES and they go for $3000, as long as you buy original ones from Renntech.
    Why is this so difficult for some people to get into their brains??

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AMG4V Click here to enlarge
    Again, what is it with the $8000 header, THOSE ARE SHORTIES and they go for $3000, as long as you buy original ones from Renntech.
    Why is this so difficult for some people to get into their brains??
    I'm not sure but clearly that is not a long tube Renntech header.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    Customer has receipt, is 74 year old texas rancher with oil pipelines running through his 50,000 acres. He shipped his car to RENNTECH for all work. Everything posted by me is a fact.

    You do not know what the customer paid for these "custom" headers so please don't talk about things you don't know to true or not.
    Maybe you did NOT read my post correctly..... I stated that we don't know all the details (and all the sides) to this story yet. So let me present my suggestion again: RENNtech sells those headers for about $3k.... everybody knows that price. It's on their website, on their mailer, and pretty much everywhere else they advertise. Now consider this: if the customer requested "custom" long-tube headers (meaning not the standard one they sell for $3k) then he would've received (at least) different looking headers (regardless of material/build quality). The fact that he received those headers tells me that either the "extra" $5k were charged for something else or maybe they did double bill him for the same headers in which case, we'll try to get RENNtech to make it right for him.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    Cost and Product are clearly stated on the receipt of over $30,000 in total modifications. You didn't pay the bill and haven't seen the invoice nor know the situation (the months of the customer trying to get RENNTECH to do something about their product), however you are sporting a RENNTECH built car aren't you?
    LOL.... okay, I'll play your game.... you don't know the exact situation either.... you don't know what RENNtech told him or what their side of the story is or how the situation was handled. You only know what the customer told you, which is fine, but all I was suggesting was to find out the truth and try to help him. How did you know I sport a RENNtech car? ...... aren't you a RENNtech competitor, I don't think you should be talking either Click here to enlarge

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    You know because you paid $8k for custom LTs, how did they turn out? Have any pics to post?
    Incorrect again.... I can see how you get your facts now Click here to enlarge

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    You don't know a thing about this customer or this situation so please stop trying to be RENNTECH's liaison and just look at the facts presented. Customer wanted maximum performance from RENNTECH and had an open wallet so why on earth would they give him revised manifolds vs actual longtubes? There is no legitimate answer. Same goes for not repairing them.
    RENNtech doesn't (and never have) focused on "maximum performance".... their products are less aggressive but pro reliability, durability, etc.... I think you know that more than most. Also, if they've fixed headers and have taken care of customers for a very long time, why wouldn't they do it for this one? All I'm suggesting is we find out what happened so we can actually help him, so stop being a "liaison" for MHP (sorry, I had to... Click here to enlarge).


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    You've already speculated and did your best to spin the situation around for RENNTECH however once you call the customer you're going to have an entirely different perspective. Just remember to post what he says after you speak with him.
    On the contrary, you've implicitly spun this situation maximum force towards MHP...... and I will indeed speak to the customer and try to help him out Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
    You can't picture it, because you are clearly misinformed. A farm is not a ranch. Ranches are used for hunting, relaxing, possibly raising cattle. Most Texans with ranches have them as second homes. That being said, one of my buddies is a farmer down here and he just got rid of his G55 AMG. 3 of the guys I work with all own both Benz's and ranches as well.

    You can picture all Texans with American pickup trucks and wranglers if you'd like, but that's ignorant and inaccurate.
    Relax, I am sure there are many Ranchers / Farmers in Texas and other states that are very wealthy and sure like their toys including Mercedes (especially a G55) and other nice things this world has to offer. Absolutely no disrespect here, quite the opposite.
    What i tried to bring across here is that in this particular case it sounds very much made up and probably is. (is that better?)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AMG4V Click here to enlarge
    Dude the shorty headers bolt on to the OE system. Translation just so even jbond can understand: the OE cats are not removed and not even moved to another spot and therefore legal. I could make you even a drawing but don't have the time.
    Dude, there were no cats used in this system and this is not even an issue. Piss off.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AMG4V Click here to enlarge
    A 74 year old Texas Rancher with oil pipelines running thru his Ranch? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
    That is 100% correct. Anything else you care to question thus making a further ass out of yourself?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AMG4V Click here to enlarge
    That might very well be the case.
    However in this case it just doesn't sound right. Also, i just can't picture that rich farmer dude in a C63, sorry.
    That's good because he daily drives a 9 second Gen II Viper with Paxton, the C63 is his wife's car. Click here to enlarge Jackass.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AMG4V Click here to enlarge
    Again, what is it with the $8000 header, THOSE ARE SHORTIES and they go for $3000, as long as you buy original ones from Renntech.
    Why is this so difficult for some people to get into their brains??
    Because they were sold as "custom" headers by RENNTECH for $8200. Any other questions?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AMG4V Click here to enlarge
    Relax, I am sure there are many Ranchers / Farmers in Texas and other states that are very wealthy and sure like their toys including Mercedes (especially a G55) and other nice things this world has to offer. Absolutely no disrespect here, quite the opposite.
    What i tried to bring across here is that in this particular case it sounds very much made up and probably is. (is that better?)
    Exenom, get off your ass and make some calls to validate what's posted. We can then tell amg4v to post his bs somewhere else.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    Exenom, get off your ass and make some calls to validate what's posted. We can then tell amg4v to post his bs somewhere else.
    I'm on it.... I just sent an e-mail to the customer Click here to enlarge

    AMG4V..... please don't pre-judge the customer. Lets wait and find out the truth and hear both sides of the story before we make any accusations. Maybe the customer is telling the truth and he did get screwed by RENNtech? Maybe not? Who knows....

    I will talk to the customer personally and will post the truth (un-biased) for you guys to decide. I will also try to help him resolve this.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Exeenom Click here to enlarge
    Maybe you did NOT read my post correctly..... I stated that we don't know all the details (and all the sides) to this story yet. So let me present my suggestion again: RENNtech sells those headers for about $3k.... everybody knows that price. It's on their website, on their mailer, and pretty much everywhere else they advertise. Now consider this: if the customer requested "custom" long-tube headers (meaning not the standard one they sell for $3k) then he would've received (at least) different looking headers (regardless of material/build quality). The fact that he received those headers tells me that either the "extra" $5k were charged for something else or maybe they did double bill him for the same headers in which case, we'll try to get RENNtech to make it right for him.
    No, you read what you wanted to read out of mine. You don't know either side, I know one. The side I've heard matches up with what I've been shown. I don't really care what's on the site or mailer, I know what the customer asked for, was promised, and what he paid for it. You can ask RENNTECH why when he asked for performance longtubes to make the car as fast as possible they stuck him with those logs. I'll tell you right now you will have zero progress on the RENNTECH front. Customer exhausted all possibility by asking RENNTECH to help him over and over again and they refused every time.

    LOL.... okay, I'll play your game.... you don't know the exact situation either.... you don't know what RENNtech told him or what their side of the story is or how the situation was handled. You only know what the customer told you, which is fine, but all I was suggesting was to find out the truth and try to help him. How did you know I sport a RENNtech car? ...... aren't you a RENNtech competitor, I don't think you should be talking either Click here to enlarge
    No, I'm not a RENNTECH competitor, and why shouldn't I be talking? We are here to share legit info right? Or is this going to be another MBW now?

    I know what the customer told me RENNTECH told him and once you talk to him you tell me he's a liar. Click here to enlarge

    Everyone knows you sent your car to RENNTECH, BUT no results have been posted performance wise. Why? Where are the dynos, timeslips, pictures of your mods?

    Incorrect again.... I can see how you get your facts now Click here to enlarge
    Post your receipt. I gave you the info to back my claims, now man up and do the same.

    RENNtech doesn't (and never have) focused on "maximum performance".... their products are less aggressive but pro reliability, durability, etc.... I think you know that more than most. Also, if they've fixed headers and have taken care of customers for a very long time, why wouldn't they do it for this one? All I'm suggesting is we find out what happened so we can actually help him, so stop being a "liaison" for MHP (sorry, I had to... Click here to enlarge).
    You are like RENNTECHs mouthpiece on the forums, anytime there is an issue you post in their defense without knowing either side of the story. In this instance instead of posting a presumptuous rant why not PM me for further info so you can investigate further? That's what you should have done instead of mindlessly guessing as to why this customer has been shut out customer service wise.

    Liaison for MHP? That's funny. I post a pic comparing a legitimately designed and priced header, then one that's the opposite, clearly not photoshopped (computer nerds eat your heart out) and tell the same story you will hear from the customer and shop whose info I sent you already. You immediately jump to RENNTECHs defense (per usual) about other people but have nothing to say about this case, the only one relevant right now.

    On the contrary, you've implicitly spun this situation maximum force towards MHP...... and I will indeed speak to the customer and try to help him out Click here to enlarge
    $#@! MHP, $#@! RENNTECH, $#@! Eurocharged, $#@! Powerchip, $#@! Kleemann. I don't have to spin $#@!. Look at the fukin pics and talk to the customer, then come back and apologize for being 100% wrong about everything you just posted. I'll be waiting.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Exeenom Click here to enlarge
    I'm on it.... I just sent an e-mail to the customer Click here to enlarge

    AMG4V..... please don't pre-judge the customer. Lets wait and find out the truth and hear both sides of the story before we make any accusations. Maybe the customer is telling the truth and he did get screwed by RENNtech? Maybe not? Who knows....

    I will talk to the customer personally and will post the truth (un-biased) for you guys to decide. I will also try to help him resolve this.

    Please do and you will realize my posts are not biased at all. You can apologize for that then as well. Click here to enlarge

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    Exenom, just sent you the shop owner's email addy as well. again though I'd call him as he will be able to verify faster that way and doesn't mind talking to strangers.

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    Whoever the $#@! edited the thread title can change it back asap because they are in fact RENNTECH headers.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    No, you read what you wanted to read out of mine. You don't know either side, I know one. The side I've heard matches up with what I've been shown. I don't really care what's on the site or mailer, I know what the customer asked for, was promised, and what he paid for it. You can ask RENNTECH why when he asked for performance longtubes to make the car as fast as possible they stuck him with those logs. I'll tell you right now you will have zero progress on the RENNTECH front. Customer exhausted all possibility by asking RENNTECH to help him over and over again and they refused every time.
    I never said I know both sides.... I said there are always more than one side to the story. One can't just hear from one side what happened and judge the situation. If you were truly biased about this, you would've wanted to hear both sides of the story not just the side that pays you.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    No, I'm not a RENNTECH competitor, and why shouldn't I be talking?
    Are you sure? Click here to enlarge

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    I know what the customer told me RENNTECH told him and once you talk to him you tell me he's a liar. Click here to enlarge
    I never said he was a liar... I just said we don't know the full story, is that really that hard to understand? :confustion-shrug:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    Everyone knows you sent your car to RENNTECH, BUT no results have been posted performance wise. Why? Where are the dynos, timeslips, pictures of your mods?
    Only a few close friend know where or what my car has been.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    Post your receipt. I gave you the info to back my claims, now man up and do the same.
    I can make a LOT of money winning this bet buddy because you have no idea what I've done to my car, what I have not done or what I was charged.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    You are like RENNTECHs mouthpiece on the forums, anytime there is an issue you post in their defense without knowing either side of the story. In this instance instead of posting a presumptuous rant why not PM me for further info so you can investigate further? That's what you should have done instead of mindlessly guessing as to why this customer has been shut out customer service wise.
    Incorrect again.... I did not jump in and say the customer was lying. I jumped in and said we should know more about the situation and hear all sides of the story before making quick assumptions. You know (perhaps more than most) that I've defended MHP and other tuners when the situation called for. I don't like to just jump in after hearing one side of the story.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    Liaison for MHP? That's funny. I post a pic comparing a legitimately designed and priced header, then one that's the opposite, clearly not photoshopped (computer nerds eat your heart out) and tell the same story you will hear from the customer and shop whose info I sent you already. You immediately jump to RENNTECHs defense (per usual) about other people but have nothing to say about this case, the only one relevant right now.
    Again, I jumped in their defense with facts explaining how they've taken care of other people with a similar situation. And all I called for was to hear all the facts and all the sides to the story, but for some reason you got butt-hurt about because you're thinking that I'm attacking the customer or something Click here to enlarge

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    $#@! MHP,
    not sure you really believe in that Click here to enlarge
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    Goes to show u that more expensive does not mean a better product .

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JBond Click here to enlarge
    Whoever the $#@! edited the thread title can change it back asap because they are in fact RENNTECH headers.
    Nobody edited the thread title as if you go look at the OP everything is intact. What happens is when a post is promoted to the front page the software AUTOMATICALLY inserts "Article:" and then that post title. Nothing was edited or changed, this is simply how the newer versions of Vbulletin work.

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    I would like for it to be established these are in fact Renntech headers before I throw Renntech under the bus. No reason to jump to conclusions and it is in the consumers best interest to proceed carefully.

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    I just personally talked to the shop that had to fix these headers and he did confirm that they got them directly from RENNtech Florida (not from any other dealer or third party source). The story is even more shocking than what was presented.

    However, I will talk to the customer and to RENNtech tonight and report back as much details as I can.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Exeenom Click here to enlarge
    I just personally talked to the shop that had to fix these headers and he did confirm that they got them directly from RENNtech Florida (not from any other dealer or third party source). The story is even more shocking than what was presented.

    However, I will talk to the customer and to RENNtech tonight and report back as much details as I can.
    Thank you, that is a bit disturbing.

    I will edit the article title to confirm these belong to Renntech and also contact the customer as well. Thank you for being level headed Mo.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Exeenom Click here to enlarge
    I just personally talked to the shop that had to fix these headers and he did confirm that they got them directly from RENNtech Florida (not from any other dealer or third party source). The story is even more shocking than what was presented.

    However, I will talk to the customer and to RENNtech tonight and report back as much details as I can.
    Thank You.

    Thank you for following through like you said you would and also for being honest.

    You have my respect.

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    Article edited to reflect the facts.

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    I have gathered a lot more information about this scenario and will post some more details soon. However, I would like to talk to the customer first so that I make sure what I present is first-hand response. The customer is currently unavailable and may not be until tomorrow afternoon.

    For now.... lets (for once) withhold judgement until both sides get to chime in on all the details.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Exeenom Click here to enlarge
    I have gathered a lot more information about this scenario and will post some more details soon. However, I would like to talk to the customer first so that I make sure what I present is first-hand response. The customer is currently unavailable and may not be until tomorrow afternoon.

    For now.... lets (for once) withhold judgement until both sides get to chime in on all the details.
    Looking forward to it Mo.

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