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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
    What's your basis for this statement?
    Not going to get into a debate with you. End of story.......

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
    You mean best of luck to all M156 owners. The suit is on behalf of all of them...and that includes benzboost members. I don't know why any of them wouldn't support this since it's in their best interest to do so.
    Not worried,
    I know quite a few guys that have over 70k miles on there M156 engine, no problems.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by _AMG_ Click here to enlarge
    Not going to get into a debate with you, End of story.......
    You're not going to tell me why you speculate the more money a corporation has, the more immune they are to the law?

    Because, you can't. It doesn't work that way. Give me the name of the biggest corporation you can think of and I'll show you a lawsuit where they had to pay money.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by _AMG_ Click here to enlarge
    Not worried,
    I know quite a few guys that have over 70k miles on there M156 engine, no problems.
    Have you opened their engines and looked at the parts for premature wear? Your focus is completely misplaced.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You may be right but just because you get service somewhere else does not mean you should be denied.

    I have no clue what the explanation would be to that particular owner. We would need to hear from them directly.
    Probably where the Mag-Moss portion of the claim came from.

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    Sticky, are there any links to threads from owners that have had this problem. This is still the first I have heard of this. You had heard of engine failures.

    The E63 owner in this lawsuit makes it seem like it is as widespread as the N54 HPFP.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by _AMG_ Click here to enlarge
    Just saying its hard to win a case against a multi billion dollar corporation that can afford the best of the best lawyers.
    Shouldn't you be focusing more on Daimler addressing any potential motor issues? Or do we live in a world where we need to pay more attention to the army of lawyers they can afford instead of taking accountability for manufacturing and engineering?

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    I don't understand why some of y'all have a hard time believing this when you haven't even seen these parts. It's not like the lawsuit is claiming extra terrestrials are real.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
    Probably where the Mag-Moss portion of the claim came from.
    Hey, the Mag-Moss act is why I didn't have to pay for the entirety of my repair work on my M3.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    Sticky, are there any links to threads from owners that have had this problem. This is still the first I have heard of this. You had heard of engine failures.

    The E63 owner in this lawsuit makes it seem like it is as widespread as the N54 HPFP.
    I don't think it is anywhere near as widespread as the HPFP and it is a completely different kind of issue.

    I don't have any links but let me just say this is not the first I heard of this lawsuit.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
    I don't understand why some of y'all have a hard time believing this when you haven't even seen these parts. It's not like the lawsuit is claiming extra terrestrials are real.
    Because people don't want to believe something might be wrong with their motors.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Shouldn't you be focusing more on Daimler addressing any potential motor issues? Or do we live in a world where we need to pay more attention to the army of lawyers they can afford instead of taking accountability for manufacturing and engineering?
    +1.

    The latter apparently. Kudos to those who endeavor in trying to change that.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
    Have you opened their engines and looked at the parts for premature wear? Your focus is completely misplaced.
    Not arguing with you one bit.
    Just spoke with my buddy who is a AMG master certified tech and he has worked on the M156 with this specific problem.
    He said they do go bad and score the lifters, BUT these were the first year these engines came out back in 07-08. He also said AMG has worked out the problem in the later year engines. I have a 2010 C63 so no worried, even if they do go bad there is always warranty.
    The thing I dont understand is how come this guy didn't warranty the cams and lifters?
    BTW what year was is AMG?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Because people don't want to believe something might be wrong with their motors.
    I've owned 2 N54s. I had no issue with believing there was a problem. Still today though, some owners still refuse to disbelieve. As long as BMW makes it right....Same for Mercedes with this one. It's hard to find a car that doesn't have some sort of defect. The issue isn't the defect, but whether the manufacturer makes it right.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by _AMG_ Click here to enlarge
    Not arguing with you one bit.
    Just spoke with my buddy who is a AMG master certified tech and he has worked on the M156 with this specific problem.
    He said they do go bad and score the lifters, BUT these were the First year these engines came out back in 07-08. He also said AMG has worked out the problem in the later year engines. I have a 2010 C63 so no worried, even if they do go bad there is always warranty.
    The thing I dont understand is how come this guy didn't warranty the cams and lifters?
    What if I told you I have seen a post with an 09 on mbw? There's always warranty....til 50K miles. You wouldn't want a lifter to get stuck from being worn and destroy the block out of warranty. The block is 27K and that's without labor. Now do you see what the big deal is? I wouldn't want you or anyone else to have to incur that kind of expense. That's insane.

    That happened to a guy on mbw, but it wasn't out of warranty. They replaced his block after denying at first.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I don't have any links but let me just say this is not the first I heard of this lawsuit.
    Its not that I don't believe there is a problem, it just seems like it came out of nowhere. There is usually a big up roar on the forums, then you see a class action lawsuit.

    I mean I have heard of mulitple M3 S65 engines failures, but no lawsuits.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    Its not that I don't believe there is a problem, it just seems like it came out of now where. There is usually a big up roar on the forums, then you see a class action lawsuit.

    I mean I have heard of mulitple M3 S65 engines failures, but no lawsuits.
    There wasn't a huge uproar about the E46 subframe issues, but there was a class action suit about that and it settled. Most owners were completely clueless.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    Its not that I don't believe there is a problem, it just seems like it came out of nowhere. There is usually a big up roar on the forums, then you see a class action lawsuit.

    I mean I have heard of mulitple M3 S65 engines failures, but no lawsuits.
    The M3 failures are a little different and BMW changed the valve springs and whatever other parts in subsequent models. There was a set of bearings replaced as well I believe.

    This was not out of nowhere, I knew about it a while back.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
    What if I told you I have seen a post with an 09 on mbw? There's always warranty....til 50K miles. You wouldn't want a lifter to get stuck from being worn and destroy the block out of warranty. The block is 27K and that's without labor. Now do you see what the big deal is? I wouldn't want you or anyone else to have to incur that kind of expense. That's insane.

    That happened to a guy on mbw, but it wasn't out of warranty. They replaced his block after denying at first.
    I know what you mean, thanks for looking out.
    Wouldn't want me or any other AMG owner experiencing this.

    Would you happen to have a link to that thread? I would be very interested in reading it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The M3 failures are a little different and BMW changed the valve springs and whatever other parts in subsequent models. There was a set of bearings replaced as well I believe.

    This was not out of nowhere, I knew about it a while back.
    Haven't heard about the valve spring issue, but have heard of rod bearing failures not only on the F/I engines but bone stock as well.
    Hope BMW took care of the problem.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by _AMG_ Click here to enlarge
    I know what you mean, thanks for looking out.
    Wouldn't want me or any other AMG owner experiencing this.

    Would you happen to have a link to that thread? I would be very interested in reading it.
    Not on hand, but I've seen them. One dude posted a youtube link to video of his engine bay and you can hear the lifters knocking loud. There was a lot of speculation on what the problem with the noise actually was, but I think it's figured out now.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by _AMG_ Click here to enlarge
    Haven't heard about the valve spring issue, but have heard of rod bearing failures not only on the F/I engines but bone stock as well.
    Hope BMW took care of the problem.
    BMW did take care of it but do not remember if they issued a recall.

    The valve spring issue was one I experienced personally.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    BMW did take care of it but do not remember if they issued a recall.

    The valve spring issue was one I experienced personally.
    Just like they did with the HPFP....after sweeping that under the rug for over 3 years. It took a class action lawsuit and ABC News running a story for them to issue a recall on that. $#@!ing car manufacturers are the worst when it comes to consumer remedies.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    I mean I have heard of mulitple M3 S65 engines failures, but no lawsuits.
    Probably because warranty was honored. That's the whole point about this lawsuit, warranty wasn't honored, plaintiff had to come out of pocket, and to make things worse, he lost money when he traded the car in because the car had engine problems. Click here to enlarge

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    It is only logical to assume the guy had some modifications, seeing that the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act was stated in the lawsuit. Hopefully it will help him recover some of his losses.

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