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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Weistec Click here to enlarge
    Thanks for the positive comments guys. The car was running the stock cams, not SLS. The track was not preped with VHT, we wish it was! The last time Jim had it out at the same track it was pulling 1.5 60 foots with a VHT prepared lane.
    Stock means stock - not OEM. Guess some guys have a problem with reading comprehension. And pulling flips flops off like flypaper Click here to enlarge
    Great build guys, big congrats. Can't wait to see what this thing does in optimum conditions.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Weistec Click here to enlarge
    Thanks for the positive comments guys. The car was running the stock cams, not SLS. The track was not preped with VHT, we wish it was! The last time Jim had it out at the same track it was pulling 1.5 60 foots with a VHT prepared lane.
    Nice to see you here responding thank you.

    Question, why did you switch back to stock cams? Do you think they are more efficient than sls? From what was said in the interview it seems like the extra duration allows you to run more boost but you can make the same power with less boost with stock cams?

    Thx!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Stock means stock - not OEM. Guess some guys have a problem with reading comprehension. And pulling flips flops off like flypaper Click here to enlarge
    Great build guys, big congrats. Can't wait to see what this thing does in optimum conditions.
    Dont tank this thread too lzh. You were wrong, still are wrong and "stock" can mean any factory cam by racing definition so dont get high and mighty, then again are you ever not, about me asking to make certain.

    Do something with your stock pig instead of living through cart and others.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Barfly Click here to enlarge
    Dont tank this thread too lzh. You were wrong, still are wrong and "stock" can mean any factory cam by racing definition so dont get high and mighty, then again are you ever not, about me asking to make certain.

    Do something with your stock pig instead of living through cart and others.
    Well I just thought since you had such intimate knowledge of every aspect of this build that you would have known what cams they were running. And I'm sorry but "stock" means exactly that - STOCK. Showroom STOCK, what it came from the factory with. Cause last time I checked there was never an option to order the CLK BS with SLS cams from the factory.
    But hey, you like reading between the lines. I wonder if you could read between the lines if I held up three fingers for you ?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Weistec Click here to enlarge
    Thanks for the positive comments guys. The car was running the stock cams, not SLS. The track was not preped with VHT, we wish it was! The last time Jim had it out at the same track it was pulling 1.5 60 foots with a VHT prepared lane.
    Did he tell you that or did you see slips or videos? I'd take that with a grain if salt?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
    Did he tell you that or did you see slips or videos? I'd take that with a grain if salt?
    They (Weistec) were there with him that day at the private rental...a few of us were and I can attest to the 60 footers. Track prep was excellent and the video I took was posted previously.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
    Did he tell you that or did you see slips or videos? I'd take that with a grain if salt?
    He was at the $#@!ing track and saw it with his own two eyes as did about 15 other MB World and Benzboost members. Now go away and start $#@! in somebody elses thread!!!!

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    Congratulations! Truly impressive times! I saw that you have Illinois plates too. Don't take offense if I run in the opposite direction if I see you on the street, I'd get scared of being destroyed by your monstrous power, hehe.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
    Great run, looks like the track was shiny with vht didn't seem like traction was lost? Nice shifting if that was s mode as stated looks like with the right setup u guys will have some good runs
    They mentioned prep was very, very poor. Could walk out with sandals onto the pad and they wouldn't even stick.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Barfly Click here to enlarge
    One more question cart, vid says stock cams but in the last thread with dynos on here it was posted your car had sls cams, did you switch back to your 63 cams or are they still sls. sls can mean stock too so thx for your info.
    I too was a bit confused with this, stock cams are in the car now.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
    He was at the $#@!ing track and saw it with his own two eyes as did about 15 other MB World and Benzboost members. Now go away and start $#@! in somebody elses thread!!!!
    Ok thanks for the answer
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    awesome job to the driver and weistec, much respect for weistec.

    Car sounds AMAZING.

    I love the fact that the car is strong, and reliable in daily driving conditions. Looks like the engineers did their homework.

    10.8 in the heat with roll on launch is very good. Easy 10.5s with harder launches and better weather. Have you considered meth injection? Roots blowers need all the cooling they can get.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Well I just thought since you had such intimate knowledge of every aspect of this build that you would have known what cams they were running. And I'm sorry but "stock" means exactly that - STOCK. Showroom STOCK, what it came from the factory with. Cause last time I checked there was never an option to order the CLK BS with SLS cams from the factory.
    But hey, you like reading between the lines. I wonder if you could read between the lines if I held up three fingers for you ?
    Last I saw posted by cart on this forum they were SLS, now they are stock 63 meaning there was a change, in either case it's not your fight so please swing from someone else's nads for a bit.

    Thx

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    Weistec,

    I have a question about open track performance with the supercharger. I was hoping to get the answer from cart but I get that he couldnt swap suspension setups in time.
    There are stock cars without even a tune that go into limp mode due to the trans overheating on road courses in the summer. Some of the modified ones do it to but point is even untouched cars do it. Do you see the trans fluid temp ecu protection being an issue due to the seriously increased torque? Curious to hear your thoughts on this.

    lzh please stay out, looking for a direct answer from weistec on this.

    Thx!!!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Barfly Click here to enlarge
    Weistec,

    I have a question about open track performance with the supercharger. I was hoping to get the answer from cart but I get that he couldnt swap suspension setups in time.
    There are stock cars without even a tune that go into limp mode due to the trans overheating on road courses in the summer. Some of the modified ones do it to but point is even untouched cars do it. Do you see the trans fluid temp ecu protection being an issue due to the seriously increased torque? Curious to hear your thoughts on this.

    lzh please stay out, looking for a direct answer from weistec on this.

    Thx!!!
    I'm not aware of any Black Series cars going into limp mode on the track. This, due to the additional trans cooler. It's no secret that plenty of C63's have gone into limp mode while on road courses. Especially C63's with long tubes and tunes. But the C63 wasn't designed for the track and this has been discussed many times over on MBW and I know many owners have been looking for an OEM style trans cooler a la the CLK BS - not sure if anyone has done it yet. So yeah, the C63 needs additional trans cooling and I'm sure throwing a blower on it might make the problem worse...I'm not rocket scientist but that one seems pretty obvious, no ? Was that direct enough for you ?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Barfly Click here to enlarge
    Weistec,

    I have a question about open track performance with the supercharger. I was hoping to get the answer from cart but I get that he couldnt swap suspension setups in time.
    There are stock cars without even a tune that go into limp mode due to the trans overheating on road courses in the summer. Some of the modified ones do it to but point is even untouched cars do it. Do you see the trans fluid temp ecu protection being an issue due to the seriously increased torque? Curious to hear your thoughts on this.

    lzh please stay out, looking for a direct answer from weistec on this.

    Thx!!!
    I actually think LZH or I are more suited to address this question since we have a lot more road course experience with Black Series than Steve does. I am not aware of any stock or untuned BSs having any limp mode issues. There were a small handful of guys(me included) with early Powerchip tunes that were experiencing some limp mode issues after long, hard stints on a road course. The issue was addressed over 3 years ago and I have not heard of it happening to anyone else since. As I stated I have not heard of a single stock ecu BS ever having this problem so if there is its news to me and considering I have attended road course events throughout the country with probably close to 20 BSs total at various events and never seen it happen I doubt its an issue.

    I am itching to get it out on a road course and I will report back my results when I get it out there.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
    I actually think LZH or I are more suited to address this question since we have a lot more road course experience with Black Series than Steve does. I am not aware of any stock or untuned BSs having any limp mode issues. There were a small handful of guys(me included) with early Powerchip tunes that were experiencing some limp mode issues after long, hard stints on a road course. The issue was addressed over 3 years ago and I have not heard of it happening to anyone else since. As I stated I have not heard of a single stock ecu BS ever having this problem so if there is its news to me and considering I have attended road course events throughout the country with probably close to 20 BSs total at various events and never seen it happen I doubt its an issue.

    I am itching to get it out on a road course and I will report back my results when I get it out there.
    And this instance of limp mode was not trans related. It was the yaw sensors picking up too much side loading in turn 8 at big Willow. Again, the BS is made for the track. The C63 isn't and if you wanna use it that way and add power before cooling, then you are guaranteed a problems. You gotta pay to play.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    And this instance of limp mode was not trans related. It was the yaw sensors picking up too much side loading in turn 8 at big Willow. Again, the BS is made for the track. The C63 isn't and if you wanna use it that way and add power before cooling, then you are guaranteed a problems. You gotta pay to play.
    You are 100% correct, I should have clarified that it was not even trans related.

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    wow that thing really hauls ass! 2nd gear shift looks like it squatted down and took off like a domestic Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
    I actually think LZH or I are more suited to address this question since we have a lot more road course experience with Black Series than Steve does. I am not aware of any stock or untuned BSs having any limp mode issues. There were a small handful of guys(me included) with early Powerchip tunes that were experiencing some limp mode issues after long, hard stints on a road course. The issue was addressed over 3 years ago and I have not heard of it happening to anyone else since. As I stated I have not heard of a single stock ecu BS ever having this problem so if there is its news to me and considering I have attended road course events throughout the country with probably close to 20 BSs total at various events and never seen it happen I doubt its an issue.

    I am itching to get it out on a road course and I will report back my results when I get it out there.

    Thanks for the response, and you are right the BS does have a supp trans cooler and is no doubt from the factory far better suited to a road course. Still you are pushing the envelope hard, no other road course running 63 has the torque and area under that curve you do. Either way you'll be pushing the limits and we'll learn from what you find.

    Now what about the rest of the 63 guys, like lzh mentioned a lot of C63s are open tracked. Stock, tuned, tuned with headers in the right weather aka summer and there have been many instances. I think we all agree that more torque equals more heat in the driveline right? I guess we'll have to wait for results but I was curious if weistec had any input maybe a planned supp trans cooler for other 63s in the pipeline?

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    I'm sure if you asked them to run a trans cooler they'd have one figured out in about 30 mins, if they haven't already. On the drivers side of the C63 front bumper near the fog lights there is an empty bay that would be perfect for an additional trans cooler.

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    i should of done the intro this needs a more epic intro.

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    Not bad for first day on track with the blower!

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