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    The American Police State?

    This just went up on yahoo, was surprised to see a mainstream news outlet with this kind of article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110625/...VhbWVyaWNhbnA-

    COMMENTARY | According to The New York Times, the FBI just raided a data center in Virginia and seized many of its servers, causing websites owned by "tens of clients" to go offline -- including those belonging to people who hadn't broken a law, and were not suspected of any crime.

    It may seem silly to get upset about the police taking down websites you don't use. A certain quote may come to mind, though, as we look at other ways that the police in America abuse their power.

    Tasering nonviolent people to death
    A 72-year-old woman named Kathryn Winkfein got tasered not too long ago after she lost her temper at the cop who pulled her over. Her offense? Shouting at him.

    Luckily, she "learned her lesson" about talking back to America's authority figures. She was also awarded $40,000 in damages, which her County Constable, Richard McCain, complained was a reward for "bad behavior." Apparently putting 50,000 volts through the heart of someone's great-grandma is not bad behavior, as long as you wear a police uniform.

    Winkfein was lucky. In what Digby calls the "Taser Atrocity Of The Day," a man who took groceries without having paid for them was tasered continuously for 37 seconds, after he became "aggressive and was communicating loudly." He died in the hospital.

    The police officer who killed him was suspended for five days.

    Stealing your cellphone (and its data)
    Recordings of government workers performing their duty are, by law, in the public domain. So if you think a police officer is going to do something untoward, try filming him so you have evidence. Right?

    Not so fast. Prepare to have your cellphone taken from you and stomped on. The Miami Beach, Fla., police in particular have a history of doing this, and they aren't alone. But the people who have their phones stolen and vandalized by the police are lucky; a man named Michael Allison faces up to 75 years in prison for trying to record a judge, and was arrested without any warning.

    Meanwhile, the Michigan State Police is taking people's cellphones when they pull them over for traffic violations, and using "extraction" devices on the phones. The ACLU is trying to find out why they're doing that, but the police department placed a price tag of over $500,000 on their Freedom of Information request. How much justice can you afford?
    Arresting nonviolent activists

    Want to feed homeless people free meals in the park? Prepare to be arrested. Or how about dancing in front of the Jefferson Memorial? Prepare to get tied up and beat up.
    Our country's police has a long history of suppressing nonviolent activists, and it hasn't stopped with the Civil Rights Era. Environmental activists like Tim DeChristopher are served 10-year prison sentences for civil disobedience, that harms no one but impedes oil companies' profits. Meanwhile, the FBI labels nonviolent activists as "domestic terrorists."
    They were recently granted more power to go through your trash and your data, so expect things to only get worse.

    Actually, expect things to get worse in general. The police state is the new normal.

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    I want to see the tape of that old lady being tazered again. I remember her deserving it ( and not the settlement )

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    I think there is more to the story then hearing a one sided police-hate response to some impasses with people. Not all cops are angels, but this just sounds a little to ridiculous. What are the details and videos?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    I think there is more to the story then hearing a one sided police-hate response to some impasses with people. Not all cops are angels, but this just sounds a little to ridiculous. What are the details and videos?
    If you look at our cops suck thread it sure seems like this is becoming more and more of a police state.

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    For every cop that sucks, how many actually do their job properly? You don't hear about those guys do you?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    For every cop that sucks, how many actually do their job properly? You don't hear about those guys do you?
    All Cops should do their job properly. They are there to protect and serve.

    Sure, there are some that do a good job and you won't hear about them if they are. Way too many are taking it too far and busing their power.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    All Cops should do their job properly. They are there to protect and serve.

    Sure, there are some that do a good job and you won't hear about them if they are. Way too many are taking it too far and busing their power.
    it's only statistics man. If you have 100,000 employees in a company X, some % of them will $#@! up. The ones that $#@! up get pointed out, the ones that dont, well they just get paid and go home and no one hears about them. Thats essentially life.

    So statistically speaking, since there an ever number of increasing people in the world; there must be an ever number of increasing law enforcement personnel. Since there are more cops, the proportion of cops that $#@! up doesnt really change, so you just hear that more cops are $#@!ing up because well, there are more cops...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    it's only statistics man. If you have 100,000 employees in a company X, some % of them will $#@! up. The ones that $#@! up get pointed out, the ones that dont, well they just get paid and go home and no one hears about them. Thats essentially life.

    So statistically speaking, since there an ever number of increasing people in the world; there must be an ever number of increasing law enforcement personnel. Since there are more cops, the proportion of cops that $#@! up doesnt really change, so you just hear that more cops are $#@!ing up because well, there are more cops...
    I don't think this is an issue of proportion. I think it is an issue of Americans civil liberties slowly being whittled away as the state gets stronger.

    It's getting to the point they can do whatever they want with you.

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    I think 100 years ago it was OK to go out in the woods and do whatever the $#@! you wanted because there were not that many people living in urban areas. Now it is different, there are different dangers. Wildfires are easily caused, people do stupid $#@!, and innocent people get hurt/die because of it. So, we the laws are put in place to protect ourselves.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    I think 100 years ago it was OK to go out in the woods and do whatever the $#@! you wanted because there were not that many people living in urban areas. Now it is different, there are different dangers. Wildfires are easily caused, people do stupid $#@!, and innocent people get hurt/die because of it. So, we the laws are put in place to protect ourselves.
    We don't need to be protected from ourselves by sacrificing liberties. More laws and restrictions is not the answer and frankly nobody asked for them.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    We don't need to be protected from ourselves by sacrificing liberties. More laws and restrictions is not the answer and frankly nobody asked for them.
    Even with laws, people still get run over in front of 7-11 because of drunk $#@!es. Imagine what would happen without any.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    Even with laws, people still get run over in front of 7-11 because of drunk $#@!es. Imagine what would happen without any.
    That is a good point you make though that works both ways. People need to understand there is no such thing as 100% safety and giving up more and more rights/liberties only provides the illusion of it while making the state stronger.

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    I want my freedom too dude. I want to be able to go out in the woods with my rifle and just plink for fun. You could do that 100 years ago. But theres too many retarded $#@!s in this world, no one would stand a chance. Theres a ton of laws in this country and they are overly stupid because the people they are protecting are overly stupid, thats how it makes sense.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    I want my freedom too dude. I want to be able to go out in the woods with my rifle and just plink for fun. You could do that 100 years ago. But theres too many retarded $#@!s in this world, no one would stand a chance. Theres a ton of laws in this country and they are overly stupid because the people they are protecting are overly stupid, thats how it makes sense.
    I don't think it makes any sense to continue to give up our rights for simply an illusion of safety. Nothing has changed really with these new acts they pass except that people are more willing to hand their rights over now than 100 years ago because nobody is willing to fight for them any longer.

    What the hell are we fighting for in other countries if we don't even have freedom at home?

    If you look at some of the stuff people are being arrested and beaten for it's getting worse and it has nothing to with a larger population.

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    Yea overall I would have to agree, there is a law of diminishing returns. You cant keep making laws, at some point the laws will stop synergizing with eachother and start exacerbating social problems. And thats when you have a pissed off population, me included.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    Yea overall I would have to agree, there is a law of diminishing returns. You cant keep making laws, at some point the laws will stop synergizing with eachother and start exacerbating social problems. And thats when you have a pissed off population, me included.
    I think we are reaching the pissed off population point.

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    Im already stocking up on ammo and getting ready to head out to LMs house as soon as i get word that the revolution began.
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    Cops make mistakes all the time. Putting the wrong date on my ticket is a win for me, but I can't protect myself using my cell phone cam? The cops have their dashcam and audio for their protection. Don't taze me, bro!!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by e92 Click here to enlarge
    Cops make mistakes all the time. Putting the wrong date on my ticket is a win for me, but I can't protect myself using my cell phone cam? The cops have their dashcam and audio for their protection. Don't taze me, bro!!
    They record us but we can't record them? BS.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    All Cops should do their job properly. They are there to protect and serve.

    Sure, there are some that do a good job and you won't hear about them if they are. Way too many are taking it too far and busing their power.
    Exactly. They abuse the power given to the people just like Congressman, and the President. It seems to me that more, and more the citizens are losing their rights while the people paid/elected to serve and protect are oppressing.
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    I feel like the X% of people within any group or organisation are going to mess up or do wrong is a valid point. I say that, but I think you need to factor in the inherent responsibility of becoming a police officer. If you can't control yourself when put into a situation where you wouldn't want your actions filmed, you are in the wrong job field. Obviously there are 'you don't know until you're in it' situations, but the consequences should be clear and swift when you step outside the line. Conversely, if you were in the right, then the government at whatever level it happened, should go out of the way to get the full story out there.

    I like the reference the article made to the holocaust quote "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
    Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
    Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me."

    Bit by bit things are changing and it seems like it's happening slowly enough to not freak people out, but on the larger scale there have been large shifts. I feel like a point of no return is coming in our lifetime
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    Seems like the worst offending state in this case is Illinois, if you search about them and the amount of people arrested for recording cops a lot of them do come from that state. The last woman to be arrested for that was on June 24th, just a few days ago. She was recording police officers arresting somebody from the front lawn of her home. The charges against her were dismissed, her name is Emily Good.

    It is sickening to see that the government is working very hard to put people away who have no prior arrests and are non violent for up to 15 years because they recorded a police officer. Meanwhile a sex offender rapes a 15 year old victim goes to jail for 4 months and then is on probation for 5 years (one of 3 sex offenders living in my town).

    The majority of the citizens do not know about whether they can or can not record police because they come from the mindset of "If they can record me, I can record them" and they will get in trouble.

    Here is a quick rundown of the eavesdropping law and the states that use them against their citizens. And whats weird is that if you read the laws it seems like whatever the cops are doing is always illegal with the cruiser cams and wire tapping of organized crime etc. How do they get around it? It's written everywhere that you need consent, do we have a lawyer that specializes in this stuff or a law student on the forum?

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    People make mistakes. Both the cops on the streets and those that hire the cops that should not be out there on the streets. Both of these issues will lead to accidents that should not have happened. However there is big difference from a cop making a mistake and let go because of it and having the state or government instruct/encourage this type of behavior. With the latter being what is being discussed in this thread.

    Also want to point out that being in LEO is the hardest most thankless job today. One must still remember they are often forced to make split second decisions. This may not sound like much but many times these decisions can be the difference between simply losing your career or losing your life!

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