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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    This is a ridiculous comparison.

    Anyone can get on a bike too but not everyone can win and not everyone can set a good 1/4 mile time or win a motorsports event.

    You think Formula 1 drivers are made overnight? Come on, this is absurd.
    I said the 1/4 mile. All it takes is practice. Get a high hp car and run 9sec,10sec or whatever. F1 drivers takes great skill bro.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonsC63AMG Click here to enlarge
    I said the 1/4 mile. All it takes is practice. Get a high hp car and run 9sec,10sec or whatever. F1 drivers takes great skill bro.
    Exactly, there is skill in all of these aspects.

    I don't think this is even relevant. I understand cycling is difficult but it does not apply to this thread.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Exactly, there is skill in all of these aspects.

    I don't think this is even relevant. I understand cycling is difficult but it does not apply to this thread.
    I know stick to the subject. But someone here made a ignorant remark so I had to chime in.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonsC63AMG Click here to enlarge
    I know stick to the subject. But someone here made a ignorant remark so I had to chime in.
    No worries.

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    Jon u say anyone can but you can't? U tried many many many times but couldn't lay down a good number in your car so please,
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    Drives: Basically a pretty bad ass f250 lifted with 24" wheels! Dpf delete 4" exhaust h&s tuner and intake..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonsC63AMG Click here to enlarge
    Another guy who is clueless about cycling.Click here to enlarge Lance won so many races before he hit his 20th birthday. Won the worlds,nationals,winning many races here in the U.S.A. It was too easy here so he went to europe to race and became the only man who won the Tour de France 7 times.
    Its been a while since I read his book but did he not specifically say that his body changed because of the cancer and treatment? How he was competiting against the worlds best, but that he was not beating them before the cancer. Sure he won races, and was great on the bike before the cancer. But he was better/faster after. He was top 10 in the world before cancer but he was the best in the world for years after cancer!
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    I'm sure its going to be a really nice car but base price of 100K? Ill be across the street at the Corvette dealership getting a ZR1.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
    I'm sure its going to be a really nice car but base price of 100K? Ill be across the street at the Corvette dealership getting a ZR1.
    But the ZR-1 won't seat four...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@MHP Click here to enlarge
    Its been a while since I read his book but did he not specifically say that his body changed because of the cancer and treatment? How he was competiting against the worlds best, but that he was not beating them before the cancer. Sure he won races, and was great on the bike before the cancer. But he was better/faster after. He was top 10 in the world before cancer but he was the best in the world for years after cancer!
    You don't have to read his book. I didn't,but I did follow his history during my racing years. He won the world championship road race at the age of 21. Also he won the triple crown million dollar. Meaning he won all 3 biggest races in the U.S.A in the same year. He did this in his mid 20s. He was still young and learning. As he got more experience he became the best.
    This guy was no ordinary man. I knew he was going to be the best in the world by winning all those Tour de France races.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
    Jon u say anyone can but you can't? U tried many many many times but couldn't lay down a good number in your car so please,
    Lets not start this again. I only did maybe several passes with DR and bogged. I have the same car as any C63 tuned car. Its no brainer that the times will be there. Dont have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@MHP Click here to enlarge
    Its been a while since I read his book but did he not specifically say that his body changed because of the cancer and treatment? How he was competiting against the worlds best, but that he was not beating them before the cancer. Sure he won races, and was great on the bike before the cancer. But he was better/faster after. He was top 10 in the world before cancer but he was the best in the world for years after cancer!
    Oh forgot to mention his cancer. Which had nothing to do with his winnings. He was winning the big ones in europe before he even got cancer. Cancer was suppose to slow him down. But apparently it didnt.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
    I'm sure its going to be a really nice car but base price of 100K? Ill be across the street at the Corvette dealership getting a ZR1.
    Vettes are dime a dozen. I would get the GTR.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by amgftw Click here to enlarge
    Down a nut = weight reduction
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    Not sure if this has been posted.

    Can you say "wide-body"!!!!


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    It looks mean, really mean.

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    I would love to see the P31 with LSD coupe against the BS at the Ring. I wonder what the time difference would be?

    Or maybe a 4-dr C63 with LSD, aftermarket tune and LTH's, Evosport rotors, plus coilovers, C/F hood vs BS.

    My guess would be that the BS wouldn't be very dominant, if at all, in road course racing against these two setups listed above.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
    I would love to see the P31 with LSD coupe against the BS at the Ring. I wonder what the time difference would be?
    Interesting point and this is the question, how far ahead of the P31 LSD coupe would a BS be?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
    My guess would be that the BS wouldn't be very dominant, if at all, in road course racing against these two setups listed above.
    If so, then what is the point?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It looks mean, really mean.
    I wonder what the BS sounds like.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
    I would love to see the P31 with LSD coupe against the BS at the Ring. I wonder what the time difference would be?

    Or maybe a 4-dr C63 with LSD, aftermarket tune and LTH's, Evosport rotors, plus coilovers, C/F hood vs BS.

    My guess would be that the BS wouldn't be very dominant, if at all, in road course racing against these two setups listed above.
    My guess is you are wrong. The bs is MADE for road racing and if this new variant is fitted with the additional cooling like the clk bs, all those mods you listed above are worthless without more ways to keep the car reliable on a road course like steering coolers, dif coolers, additional oil and larger water coolers. Many other modified c63's have been able to put down some quick laps but almost all of them have reported heat issues and many have reported going into limp mode. Going faster is easy. Going faster for extended periods of time without any mechanical issues is where the bs cars shine - and they do it with a full factory warranty.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonsC63AMG Click here to enlarge
    I wonder what the BS sounds like.
    You have a few vids of it testing posted in the thread: http://www.benzboost.com/showthread....934#post156934

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    My guess is you are wrong. The bs is MADE for road racing and if this new variant is fitted with the additional cooling like the clk bs, all those mods you listed above are worthless without more ways to keep the car reliable on a road course like steering coolers, dif coolers, additional oil and larger water coolers. Many other modified c63's have been able to put down some quick laps but almost all of them have reported heat issues and many have reported going into limp mode. Going faster is easy. Going faster for extended periods of time without any mechanical issues is where the bs cars shine - and they do it with a full factory warranty.
    Well the cooling will keep it lapping longer but the question remains will it lap much faster than a C63 with the mods he listed? Doesn't sound like it and cooling upgrades can be retro-fitted.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    My guess is you are wrong. The bs is MADE for road racing and if this new variant is fitted with the additional cooling like the clk bs, all those mods you listed above are worthless without more ways to keep the car reliable on a road course like steering coolers, dif coolers, additional oil and larger water coolers. Many other modified c63's have been able to put down some quick laps but almost all of them have reported heat issues and many have reported going into limp mode. Going faster is easy. Going faster for extended periods of time without any mechanical issues is where the bs cars shine - and they do it with a full factory warranty.
    I agree the BS is truly made for road racing. And from the accounts I've read (and like you stated) really powerful C63's do run into heat issues.

    Should be interesting to see how Dad's Performance C/F hoods help with heat extraction for road racing.

    Like Sticky said, the coolers can be retro-fitted.

    Of course, if you want the real thing (authentic BS) then there is no substitute. But, when we're talking clocking the fastest lap times, extra power should mean something, especially with the improved suspension in the two car examples I listed above.

    @ Sticky,

    I think the point of the new BS is to continue on with a really cool theme from the CLK BS. Just adding a modern look to an already awesome car should sell some units and continue the reputation of the BS name.

    Not all BS owners or potential BS owners are as into cars as the bunch of us are here. So, I don't think most BS purchasers are asking these questions (like the ones I asked above) when they walk into the dealership.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Los Angeles - Car capital of the world. I see at least 5 to 10 C63's per day and sometimes more. I agree with you about performance and wanting to mod, but this debate is about what you get for the $100k. Exclusivity has an inherent value...But my point about the warranty is not just that. It's that the car is modified from the factory and with a simple tune, these Black Series cars are very capable where they are intended to be used, on a road course. I think too many people put WAY too much emphasis on 1/4 mile times that really don't mean squat other than how fast the car can go in a straight line and bragging rights. That does not give you a true picture of what the car is all about. And modding it for JUST for that purpose is bastardizing the car IMO.
    More than 10 per day?? Damn, I would sell mine if it was that common where im at. Probably the same 10 you see though. Same traffic patterns if you going to work at the same times.

    I agree I would buy the BS before I modded a C63 to BS specs. Just to keep the warranty.

    However, If the BS was such a desirable car is wouldnt drop 50K in value in less than 3 years. You can buy a 2008 with 15K miles for 80K. In 2 years it will be worth 50K. Dime a dozen? Who cares... Both the regular C63 and the C63BS will be worth 40% of what you paid for it in 5 years. Aside from that you most likely wont have any warranty issues in that time anyhow.

    The 1/4 mile arguement its reality. People drive their cars from light to light and maybe have a little fun on the hwy. These are street cars. Most will never see the full potential and dont buy the car for that purpose anyhow. If you crash on the track its out of pocket. No insurance coverage. WAY more chance of crashing on the twisties than on the 1/4 mile. The Black Series is simply a modified already modified car. The only difference is the factory bastardized it and not the consumer. The 1/4 mile is where its at when you buy a car. How fast can I get from light to light or can I smoke the guy next to me. Twisties are fun, but are something most dont find a use for in reality.

    Putting emphassis on a road course car when purchasing a street car is a waste of money in my opinion. Give me blazing 0-60's and 1/4 miles. It give the biggest rush and will be used daily. Road Course... maybe a couple of times a year if your into it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonsC63AMG Click here to enlarge
    Not to try the subject but ANYONE could run the 1/4 mile and get a #. Get on a bicycle and win races at the top level-separates the men from the boys. It takes dedication,lots of training to become a winner. Never comes over night.
    ANYONE can get on a bike and get a #. To be a champ is a different story. As with car racing as well. You think its easy to control a top fuel dragster? You think you have the balls to even think about getting into one and put down a 4 sec 1/4 mile? Both require skill and lots of it.
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