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    An awakening is taking place on MBworld - Members becoming aware of censorship there as well as BenzBoost

    It's too late to stop: http://www.mbworld.org/forums/c63-am...ver-forum.html

    Great post and people are slowly but surely realizing what took place. The competition is working...

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    I'm also a bit surprised at how many members just shrug off what he is saying completely aloof and oblivious to what has taken place, ignorance is bliss.

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    By the way, who is Nola and where does he got off saying this:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nola
    The problem with the particular new site mentioned (or not mentioned, as it were) is that for a few months the owner and some members have been systematically targetting MBWorld with a spam and slander campaign. While the spam is just annoying, the slandering is quite offensive indeed. All we can do is keep unsaid site out of here... hopefully they'll get critical mass soon and won't feel that they need to troll our site and slander it to get new members.
    Slander? You guys just engaged in a massive coverup of a vendor and that to you is a good thing? You are trying to sell Evosport's problems to the membership as our doing? Please, spam campaign? People can't even mention the site because of your own censorship due to being terrified people will find the Evosport info. It isn't a spam campaign that we have the real story and you desperately are trying to control user's minds. People obviously want to talk about it, many members mention it, yet you prevent them from doing so. Under the guise of spam? People see right through it, other sites can be mentioned, the site carrying the Evosport story can't be. It isn't a spam issue, it's a censorship issue as there is no need to spam when dozens of members are trying to post about the story.

    Have fun deleting, locking, and editing everything to protect the poor users from information. It's too late anyway...

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    You guys are making me blush:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by black-clk500
    orry I didn't respond sooner to inquiries about the other site.
    First off, I'm not affiliated with the site so I'm not Spamming and I'm purposely not going to type in the name or PM the info (unless the Mods tell me I can, sorry guys). I get that part of business, believe me.

    As for the other site, it is everything I look for in a car forum.
    Yes, adult language is used and there are threads with hot chicks/porn if you seek them out (in the off topic area), but there is also lots of good BMW and MB related info, especially for the guys that like modding their cars.
    And for the record, there is no "cat fights" and BS going on at all, the owner/moderator of the site is great about keeping everything organized and on topic.
    There's a lot of guys on MBW that contribute and post over there all of the time--in fact a few weeks ago, I posted a nice piece on getting my LSD fluid changed out and I decided only to post it over there because I feel some allegiance to the place since people can speak their mind and discuss anything they want w/o being locked or banned because we crossed some grade school rule
    Last time I checked, most of us (99% I'm guessing) are men here, so why is a little adult language and an off topic area with T&A a bad thing?

    Anyway, the freedom and honesty at the other site is the biggest reason for it's success and it's the main reason I consider it my #1 MB forum.

    I like MBW a lot too, the history of threads to search and the shear knowledge in here is amazing.
    The members are the ones that built this site and the info contained within it.
    But most of the mods here do run a tight ship and have little patience for anything that jeopardizes their virtual monopoly and protecting their vendors over the members.
    This has been documented and mentioned on here for years, it is no secret.
    I personally like a place that is members 1st, vendors 2nd and that is what the other site is all about.
    I know this is a business at the end of the day and since Internet Brands is a huge company that owns lots of forums etc. it has to operate this way (in their minds anyway).
    I don't like big business for this very reason--they lose touch with their customers/users.

    Anyway, I'm off the soap box now, just wanted to explain my previous post and answer those members "in the dark."
    I can't type the website name here because a) it's censored and won't show up and b) I'd probably get banned from here
    There's a dozen or so of you who I know would really like the other place and I keep hoping to see your names show up and 100s more of you who would value the other site too.
    Just my opinion as a user of both sites, I just don't know why MBW can't share their members willingly--just another example of what irks me about this place, but it's still a great forum, thanks to it's contributors (incl. some mods)

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    Oh snap, Mo! Haha, wow, if the thread was being scored this would be a TKO:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MB_Forever
    Like I said earlier, I do NOT condone dirty tactics on both sides. I do, however, recommend people check out the other site and judge for themselves whether the information presented is true or false and whether they even like the site or not. It is their choice. Furthermore, I do not consider referring enthusiasts to check out a site a dirty tactic at all. In fact, I think it maybe considered dirty to actually hide it from them (or somehow prevent them from) getting to the information to be able to judge themselves. In the end, I love both sites, they both have their advantages and disadvantages, and I think it's the variety and diversity that keeps the internet interesting

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    I like black-clk500's post Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    I like black-clk500's post Click here to enlarge
    It's a beautiful post.

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    Am I the only person who thinks this is just plain idiotic?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nola
    The thing with bad vendors is that I don't think we see MBWorld as a community activist. "We" don't report anything, or "obtain" documents, or "sit on information". If a bunch of people have customer service issues with a vendor, they need to deal with that vendor directly.
    The most active Mercedes forum should not alert its community of customer service issues? You should let them all be taken advantage of so they can be sitting around for months on end waiting for parts? This your answer?

    I see a forum as a place where pertinent information is shared with users especially if it is in the members best interest. Keeping issues off the forum just means you the put the members in harms way. The point is to protect and help the community. What you are advocating makes them a commodity for vendors to take advantage of by having each person deal individually with the vendor essentially out of the members vision. You might as well just shut the forum down and have everyone communicate through the postal service with your logic.

    Time to hang it up Nola, you don't get it. It's members first, then vendors. Your duty as a moderator is to be a community activist, not a corporate puppet.

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    At least they didn't close the thread. And MB Forever tried to keep it going and on-track to get the point across. I think some of the guys have had a look around and some have showed up here as well. Now it is just a matter of time and people will be able to open their minds a bit and realize that they are able to be free to check out and post at more than one spot for more than one reason. Then I think you will start to see a little more push from the membership to set things right and not be confined or coerced by the administration and moderators at MBW. Black-clk500 (P31-C63) had a nice bit to say as well and I think a few MBW members will like what he has to say.

    Don't forget the members here can be pretty feisty as well and maybe a little intimidating for some.

    Good question who Nola is as I have never run across or maybe registered him in my mind before. Either he is slightly more moderate or instructed to be more open???? Still he did try to get the usual senseless digs in. I think the mentions he makes might in fact make some of the MBW members check out BenzBoost if for nothing more than piqued curiosity.

    Really I try to steer a little clear of the controversy, politics and mud slinging. Just never developed stomach or mind for it. Makes me a little on the woosy side I guess. Sorry for that I suppose and not putting up more of a fight.

    It is true the moderators at MBW have often left me with a feeling of resentment in their method and superiority. They are often rude and demoralizing to the member in particular that they are centering out and thus to the membership in general.

    MB BOB recently publicly said he sent a member an infraction for using the word dickhead in describing the action of another members post. At least another member questioned the fact that MB BOB had done that by asking "really?". I thought that was a step in the right direction. Not sure if anything was mentioned about it past that.

    Sticky you have loosened the glue!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mort Click here to enlarge
    Sticky you have loosened the glue!
    This was the goal Click here to enlarge Let's be honest, they are a giant and I doubt they even took me seriously as competition. Brad sarcastically wrote me in an e-mail that he was so sure this site would be a big success. Essentially, putting me down thinking MBworld is invincible. At least I have them worried...

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    I was trying to get a very important point across: an open discussion is always good for the members. This was shown here and on many forums over and over again. If a moderator locks a thread because he/she thinks a certain piece of information is true/false, then some members will get hurt.

    Nola is actually not an aggressive moderator - at least not as aggressive as other moderators I've seen on mbworld. Interesting topic though.... Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Exeenom Click here to enlarge
    I was trying to get a very important point across: an open discussion is always good for the members.
    You got your point across very well. Nola got across that he is interested in doing what is best for the vendors/revenue instead of the members.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Exeenom Click here to enlarge
    Nola is actually not an aggressive moderator - at least not as aggressive as other moderators I've seen on mbworld. Interesting topic though....
    It's the passive aggressive ones that you have to worry about as they tend to be more devious. He defends censoring the forum to keep it PG-13, really? These are adult males with expensive cars that are mature enough to handle controversial topics. They may be able to handle the occasional swear word or topless woman god forbid. Obviously something as crazy as a vendor not delivering products is way beyond their comprehension and should be removed to protect their fragile minds.

    He may be better suited to running an elementary school classroom.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Oh snap, Mo! Haha, wow, if the thread was being scored this would be a TKO:
    Actually the one post that I've gotten a lot of props about was this post here:

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MB_Forever
    To me, and this is just my opinion, "an internet kind of way" is very informal... unless of course there is some type of written agreement. Agree to disagree on this one I guess Click here to enlarge

    Also, I believe that being a moderator, even as part of an anonymous staff, one would have the interest of the forum members interest in mind not just the forum interest because without the members, the forum itself would start to degrade. A lot of the time these two sides align nicely, but if there was ever a conflict of interest between forum's interest and member's interest, I think a decent and impartial moderator would try to protect member's interests first as objectively as possible.
    I've even received a few e-mails from members of other boards about it Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    I like black-clk500's post Click here to enlarge
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's a beautiful post.
    Thanks guysClick here to enlarge
    I just wish more people would jump ship already.
    I don't get it, this place is so much better--those MBW mods are all douches (well maybe nor Superlubcity)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Exeenom Click here to enlarge
    Actually the one post that I've gotten a lot of props about was this post here:

    I've even received a few e-mails from members of other boards about it Click here to enlarge
    Well you had more than one good post, that is for sure.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by P31-C63 Click here to enlarge
    Thanks guysClick here to enlarge
    I just wish more people would jump ship already.
    I don't get it, this place is so much better--those MBW mods are all douches (well maybe nor Superlubcity)

    Glad you approveClick here to enlarge
    It just takes time. They are actively censoring mention so people just don't know.

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    It's almost comical to read what the idiotic mods on MBW offer as reasons for why things are run the way they are...But it's equally depressing that the majority of the membership over there don't care to question it, nor do they realize that they are just pawns and the site owners and mods don't give a sh!t about them and are ONLY concerned about the bottom line - making money at whatever cost. It's just a slap in the face when those mods quote the TOS like it's the bible and no one questions it. Remember, some douchbag Ahole wrote those TOS and now the mods simply hide behind them under the guise of running a PG-13 site - LOL. Good for them, bunch of whiny ass pussies who can't put up with a little ribbing now and again and who shudder whenever anyone calls a spade a spade. MB-BOB is the worst of them and needs a proper ass kicking. But the funniest part about all this...is that their site policies and rules will be their undoing. Putting vendors before the individual members who made the site what it is will end up biting them in the ass bigtime. Look at what happened with the Evosport debacle. And Nola says it's not the sites responsibility to portect it's membership - WRONG - that's EXACTLY what the site should be doing. Mark my words....it may not happen tomorrow, next week or anytime soon; but some other similar scenario is going to happen and the membership will bear the brunt of MBW's revenue based TOS. I think that will be the tipping point and finally drive that place into the ground where it belongs.
    And they will have no one to blame but themselves, their greed and their hunger for marketplace domination.

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    it's about time too... geez x.x
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    But it's equally depressing that the majority of the membership over there don't care to question it, nor do they realize that they are just pawns and the site owners and mods don't give a sh!t about them and are ONLY concerned about the bottom line
    This is the part that really gets me. Why do so many just accept it?

    We are proving you don't have to roll over and bark when they demand it and you CAN change things.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Remember, some douchbag Ahole wrote those TOS and now the mods simply hide behind them under the guise of running a PG-13 site - LOL.
    They can make the TOU say whatever they want it to say, completely worthless. Hiding behind it is a very good way to put it. I don't care if the TOU says it is acceptable for them to delete posts or demand 5 dollars from every member. Some things are just wrong no matter what they write in the TOU as if that is justification for abuse of power.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    And Nola says it's not the sites responsibility to portect it's membership - WRONG - that's EXACTLY what the site should be doing.
    I don't get his point either that the site isn't responsible. Uh, if it's covering it up and putting members in harms way that is 100% wrong. I think everyone agrees that was a pretty idiotic comment.

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