" @BAD430BENZ I agree with you fully, I even still maintain that he will have a good product, but I was just stating the obvious as to why everyone feels he's not proven "yet". I don't know what his hurry is and problem is with the comment because at the end of the day he's not even taking orders right now and by the time he starts taking them there's a good chance he will get the "proven" status. If I was hating I would be bashing the product rather than saying it's going to be great and that he just needs to remain patient with the whole proven thing. I'm not sure why he resorted to personal attacks on me since that's what children do when they have no basis for an argument, but I do indeed find it pretty hilarious.

I don't even care who has more toys or whp, but Tony seems to enjoy stepping down to that level. I don't bother to even start listing things up trying to increase the size of my e-penor, this isn't about me vs. him at all. We should stick to the topic at hand rather then getting into childish arguments, the other vehicles that I have are irrelevant in this matter and him as a VENDOR asking a CONSUMER to go have an e-penor measuring contest is ridiculous.

If a patient came into my office and I asked him when's the last time you performed surgery with a broken hand and no sleep would I not be a moron?

Whether he acts like a self-entitled prom queen or stays off the forums and let's the proof remain in the pudding has no bearing on the end result and I still hope that he can transform the platform and I do truly and honestly want him to be successful in the endeavor.

At the end of the day progress benefits everyone including myself. "

" Once again you shoot childish shots my way and get all emotional, exactly what I was speaking of. I'm not trying to Q you or your capabilities, I damn right want you to push the platform and to break #'s, I'm an end user looking to buy your product not a competitor.

You are correct I didn't push the platform and I'm not an innovator because that's not what end users do, they buy the parts that people like yourself put out, but it's funny that you use that as an insult towards me.

And yeah WHP #'s do prove what the motor is capable of, but it doesn't prove what your product is capable of until it's in the hands of a consumer, it's just the way the internet works. Shiv also put out big dyno #'s to show what the motors capable of, but I'm sure you saw the treatment he got due the fact that no real world customers had anything to show.

I can say with 99% certainty that eventually you will have a kick ass product out there and there will be dyno's and track times all over, but until that happens the big question mark will remain in place.

You refer to me as a hater when that was my first negative post towards you and all my previous posts were in your favouur on here and especially at e90p. I have 0 loyalties to anybody and I just say things how they are, if you think that's being a hater because all the cool kids like to use that word when somebody disagrees with them then go ahead. "

" Although I do feel you deserve some of the heat you get, the members of the forum need to hold themselves accountable too.

There's a mob mentality on here where once a couple people start ganging up on one person, a bunch of others just join in for the hell of it or once a couple guys start supporting one person everyone becomes a bunch of groupies as if he were Justin Bieber. If anyone posts up something unfamiliar or slightly silly everyone loves to start bashing.

If you can't discuss and even argue in a mature manner, everything always goes to the shits. A lot of people know how to throw out punches, but are a friggen sensitive ball of estrogen when it's their turn to take a punch. If people could just argue using facts and not personal insults the threads would be a lot more bearable. "

" As Terry said, nothing is proven really, it's the same treatment anyone else gets. You have some dyno's form your shop car and a bunch of bold claims. It's obvious the results will come in due time, but until then it's better to know where you stand. Shiv had some nice dyno's and was ragged on for not having customer vehicles put out any info and the exact same story is coming out from your end right now especially with these top secret log's etc..

What I also see coming from your end is a bunch of arrogance and an attitude where you feel you are too good for the n54 community, if you truly feel you are too good and "don't need to do this" why would you waste your time and deal with all the bullshit that comes along with it?. You become emotional and behave like a female when people comment, but at the same time try to maintain this arrogant "higher than thou" attitude acting like you can't be bothered to argue.

Who you are as a person has no relevance to the product you put out and I really do hope it's a kick ass product and if it was I would still by it, but the whole act has become very annoying lately. "