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    • Did Underground Racing cheat to beat T1 Race Development at the 2017 Texas Invitational King of the Streets?

      If you pay attention to the world of high performance cars you know there are spectacularly fast twin turbo Lamborghini Huracans and Nissan GT-R's. Tuners pushing the limits in competition is great for enthusiasts and potential customers alike.


      Underground Racing is known for their absurdly quick Stage X twin turbo Huracans. They do not play second fiddle to anyone. Just look at how hard they went at Heffner until they basically forced him to concede to UGR being the top dog on the Huracan platform.

      UGR's push to hold all the records and beat all challengers leads to them being a bit too sensitive and perhaps going overboard while at the same time constantly pushing the platform. Remember when they tried to scrub the internet from all details of one of their cars going up in flames? They take things so far as to not even want to admit sometimes things can go wrong.

      That mentality is in play here with Ross Fowler's UGR Stage X Huracan going up against Tony Palo and his T1 Racing Development GT-R.

      The GT-R is making well over 2500 horsepower. They had this car over 2200 to the wheels back in 2015. They are doing well over 2300 now and this is just what they choose to show:


      Ok, so both cars are freaking fast and both tuners are at the top of their game. So what happened?

      Well, the cars ran and made it to the finals of the King of the Streets at the Texas Invitational. When they ran, T1 got up to speed and the video evidence speaks for itself. UGR slingshotted past which is essentially cheating:


      It's a bullshit move. UGR got a running start while T1 was trying to match and sitting at speed before the start. Everyone seems to agree on this and even the event organizers agreed that a re-run was necessary. That was fine until UGR took their trophy and went home rather than race again:

      - At first the event organizers decided to re-run the final. After 45 minutes of discussions about different factors, the event organizers left it up to the racers to decide whether to rerun or not. The final decision was that the Lambo take the win.- We would love to see the re-run one day!
      UGR gets the win but a lot of people lost a lot of respect for this type of behavior. We all have egos but at the end of the day this is not Formula 1. Just run the cars in the spirit of the competition. There is no shame in losing in this environment and certainly not in the finals.

      T1's feelings on the subject:

      Quote Originally Posted by T1 Race Development
      Here is your finals in the 2017 Texas Invitational. Classic slingshot. TI officials called for a rerun regardless of the green light, but UGR chose to decline as if that is even an option. We aren’t going home with a first place trophy but at least we have some self respect.
      This is UGR's response:


      Trying to line up cars fairly like this from a roll is not easy. It takes some work from both parties. If the GT-R needs to be at a higher speed initially to build boost the Huracan should work with it to get an even start and fair race rather than manipulate circumstances into its favor.

      This is systemic of a larger problem at events like this where people will inflate their start speed or start early to get a jump. The proper solution is to remove the variables causing the issue and take it out of the driver's hands as an even start is simply impossible. Especially when someone else will do whatever is necessary to win even if that means cheating.

      The fact remains UGR did not do a re-run and went home because they knew they had the slower car according to trap speeds from the event. There is no excuse in the world that will change that fact.

      Quote Originally Posted by T1 Race Development
      There’s no ‘left lane sets the pace’. I did EXACTLY what the rules state you are to do.

      After one red light you will receive a lecture, which ROSS received after BOTH red lights.

      From inside the car, with a Hans device on, you can see very little to the side. We both rolled off the line at the same time and pace, you can see it in the videos. It took me 4.7 seconds to get up to 60mph, my wife’s SUV will almost do that, I’m sure a 2000+hp Lamborghini can as well. This nonsense about having to catch up to me because I took off so fast is just that, nonsense. I held 60mph for 3.5 seconds, count that out, it’s an eternity in this situation. This racing isn’t hard when you’re not trying to play games.

      The ‘green light’ is triggered by a human. It was a mistake in this race, the entire TSS staff agreed on that. After reviewing the video and talking amongst themselves, the TSS staff decided the race needed to be re-run and we were given 30 minutes to cool down and re-ice the cars.

      While in the pits getting ready I was told I was needed on the line. When I get down to the line there’s Ross and Richard, Kevin and KC, and other UGR staff. They are there to state they are not going to re-run. The deflect to other races that haven’t been fair starts, so and so did this to someone else, etc, all straw man arguments.

      After almost 45 minutes of arguing the decision was given to the racers. TSS staff said if you guys can’t work it out we will re-run. I asked Ross if he felt that was a fair start, his response was “the light was green” and “I’ve lost races because people did that to me too, that’s racing”. I said is this how you want to take a win? He said yes. I responded with you can have it.

      I came out here to race, and I race clean. I will not accept a win under a bull$#@! situation like that. That trophy is material, the number on it is irrelevant here. We know who the winner was and who walked away from this event with his head held high.
      * BoostAddict.com reached out for comment from Underground Racing and Tony Palo with no response from either. It seems this is a sore subject.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Did Underground Racing cheat to beat T1 Race Development at the 2017 Texas Invitational King of the Streets? started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 26 Comments
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        ... if only there were some form of racing with a standardized start speed....

        As for UGR not wanting to re-run, I don't blame them. Even when your grandpappies were racing Model T's the rule was 'a chase is a race'. This is big boy leagues. There are no concessions or redo's.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        As for UGR not wanting to re-run, I don't blame them.
        I certainly do. The only reason not to do it is if you know you will lose.

        Not to mention, what UGR was doing was meant to throw off T1. The GT-R sat at 60 for almost 4 seconds.

        If the organizers said a re-run was only fair...
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I certainly do. The only reason not to do it is if you know you will lose.

        Not to mention, what UGR was doing was meant to throw off T1. The GT-R sat at 60 for almost 4 seconds.

        If the organizers said a re-run was only fair...
        The fact is these races will never be fair or even when the starting speed is dictated by the driver's ability and timing. Side by side racing is much more fun to watch, but if you really want to see who is faster, pick a predetermined speed, call it 120 - 230 in this case, let the cars take a flying start and see who clicks off the faster time.

        We've all seen videos of what the hit looks like from a brake boosting 2,000+ whp car. They get fired out of a f'ing cannon. TENTHS of a seconds are worth multiple car lengths and several MPH at these power levels. That quarter second delay from the GTR was likely worth bus lengths.

        There is simply no standard and human error will probably result in the wins going 50/50 if you run the same cars 10 times.

        To summarize my opinion:

        A. UGR may have gotten an unfair start, but that is just the nature of this type of race.

        B. This type of racing is stupid.
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        im all over the map on this one, to say "ugr knew they would lose" isn't really fair, duh!!! the gtr was trapping another 10-20mph all day, so if the only way ugr can win is to out "tree" him and they did, I'm not sure i would rerun it either. We don't need them to race to know that if they leave at the same time the gtr would obviously win. I Watched these over and over again and to me me it looked like the ugr car just timed it perfect. I do wish they would release logs proving what speeds the car was pacing at, but even if they did how would we know that it was that run??
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        The fact is these races will never be fair or even when the starting speed is dictated by the driver's ability and timing. Side by side racing is much more fun to watch, but if you really want to see who is faster, pick a predetermined speed, call it 120 - 230 in this case, let the cars take a flying start and see who clicks off the faster time.
        I completely agree with this which is why I would not do it like this. I'm almost ready to unveil my solution, almost.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        so if the only way ugr can win is to out "tree" him and they did
        That is not out 'treeing' anyone. It is not a reaction time issue but start speed issue. You can't slingshot off the line from the stop. They specifically went slow on purpose to then slingshot past as the GTR was trying to match speeds.
      1. SpeedLimit?'s Avatar
        SpeedLimit? -
        UGR is on their usual BS but I don't understand how T1(and AMS in the past) can enter King of the Streets with cars that clearly aren't streetable. The only thing to hamper how streetable the UGR cars are is the conversion to a sequential gearbox but those GTR's are straight up race cars. A lot of rule changes are needed if this is to be taken seriously.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SpeedLimit? Click here to enlarge
        The only thing to hamper how streetable the UGR cars are is the conversion to a sequential gearbox but those GTR's are straight up race cars. A lot of rule changes are needed if this is to be taken seriously.
        My rule would be it has to run the factory transmission.
      1. SpeedLimit?'s Avatar
        SpeedLimit? -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        My rule would be it has to run the factory transmission.
        Agreed, if you can truly drive it in traffic then it's a street car.
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SpeedLimit? Click here to enlarge
        Agreed, if you can truly drive it in traffic then it's a street car.
        What a real 'street car challenge' looked like: http://www.hotrod.com/articles/pump/

        Drive to the event, show insurance / registration, drive a 50 mile loop as a group, drain tanks and fill up at your local petrol station, run them in a standardized event. Is it really that complicated?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        Drive to the event, show insurance / registration, drive a 50 mile loop as a group, drain tanks and fill up at your local petrol station, run them in a standardized event. Is it really that complicated?
        I wouldn't want to do all that but that is a very good way to go about it.

        These cars are clearly race cars.
      1. SpeedLimit?'s Avatar
        SpeedLimit? -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        What a real 'street car challenge' looked like: http://www.hotrod.com/articles/pump/

        Drive to the event, show insurance / registration, drive a 50 mile loop as a group, drain tanks and fill up at your local petrol station, run them in a standardized event. Is it really that complicated?
        That's pretty cool!
      1. PianoProdigy's Avatar
        PianoProdigy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SpeedLimit? Click here to enlarge
        Agreed, if you can truly drive it in traffic then it's a street car.
        What makes you think the T1 car couldn't be driven in traffic? The clutch material on either the Huracan or GTR is aggressive so stop and go driving sure wouldn't be buttery smooth, but there's nothing about the GTR that precludes street driving.
      1. SpeedLimit?'s Avatar
        SpeedLimit? -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PianoProdigy Click here to enlarge
        What makes you think the T1 car couldn't be driven in traffic? The clutch material on either the Huracan or GTR is aggressive so stop and go driving sure wouldn't be buttery smooth, but there's nothing about the GTR that precludes street driving.
        Can you really drive on the street with front mounted turbos poking out your bumper?! God forbid you're in the boost and there's any kind of debris on the road. You'd be driving the worlds most powerful vacuum.
      1. BLKROKT's Avatar
        BLKROKT -
        This is why you race. Otherwise just put them on a dyno and the highest hp wins. That’s not fun.

        I dont see anything wrong wrong with what happened here. The GTR should have been concerned about getting a good launch, not whatever the Huracan was doing. The smarter driver won IMO.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        I dont see anything wrong wrong with what happened here.
        I don't know how you can't.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        This is why you race.
        They didn't race. They took their car and went home. If they wanted to really race they would have run again.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        The GTR should have been concerned about getting a good launch, not whatever the Huracan was doing. The smarter driver won IMO.
        He was concerned about lining them up for a fair race. UGR instead decided to go slow on purpose to then slingshot past at the start to gain an advantage.

        Why even have rules or an event? They are designed to ensure an even start are they not?

        The driver not interested in sportsmanship won. The driver with the tiny ego won. The $#@! move was rewarded. I hate people who jump early or try to manipulate the race.
      1. BLKROKT's Avatar
        BLKROKT -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I don't know how you can't.



        They didn't race. They took their car and went home. If they wanted to really race they would have run again.



        He was concerned about lining them up for a fair race. UGR instead decided to go slow on purpose to then slingshot past at the start to gain an advantage.

        Why even have rules or an event? They are designed to ensure an even start are they not?

        The driver not interested in sportsmanship won. The driver with the tiny ego won. The $#@! move was rewarded. I hate people who jump early or try to manipulate the race.
        Yes, they did race. And the Huracan won. There are no do-overs. If you want different rules, that’s fine. But within the bounds of the rules that were in place, the smarter and more alert driver won. Or else the organizer would have invalidated the run, but no rules were broken. Again, that’s why you race because the better car doesn’t always win.

        Sounds like you want to take the driver and other variables out of the equation. Why don’t you go setup dyno wars that would be so thrilling to watch. Not.

        If the higher hp car won every time, what is even the point. Forget it. I think you’ve missed it completely anyway.
      1. Eleventeen's Avatar
        Eleventeen -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        Yes, they did race. And the Huracan won. There are no do-overs. If you want different rules, that’s fine. But within the bounds of the rules that were in place, the smarter and more alert driver won. Or else the organizer would have invalidated the run, but no rules were broken. Again, that’s why you race because the better car doesn’t always win.

        Sounds like you want to take the driver and other variables out of the equation. Why don’t you go setup dyno wars that would be so thrilling to watch. Not.

        If the higher hp car won every time, what is even the point. Forget it. I think you’ve missed it completely anyway.
        In roll racing, the cars are supposed to be at a matched speed and side-by-side at the start point. This clearly didn't happen here. All they managed in this race was to be side-by-side. This race absolutely did not potray good sportsmanship, but I also blame the event staff. They should have called it a jump and been firm about it BEFORE handing over the trophy; clearly disorganized.
      1. F16HTON's Avatar
        F16HTON -
        Left lane sets the pace. Tony slept and it cost him a sure victory. He has a year to think about it.
      1. Sticky2's Avatar
        Sticky2 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by F16HTON Click here to enlarge
        Left lane sets the pace. Tony slept and it cost him a sure victory. He has a year to think about it.
        That's not how it works. You can't just go 5 mph then have the other car slow down to match while you then go WOT.