• Here it is, the 1M Coupe - Pictures and Official Specs, 335 hp N54 - The new M "era" begins

      Here we finally have it. No more teaser videos, no more showing a fender here or there, no more hype, this is the real deal. BMW gives us the final product and by no accident chose to show it with the E30 M3. Putting the 1M Coupe which has accomplished nothing up on the lofty pedestal of comparisons with the E30 M3, arguably the greatest BMW M ever made, is not showing the E30 M3 the proper respect. It is not a spiritual successor to the E30 M3. However, that is a debate for another time and let's focus on the specs and photos.

      The motor and tune is the exact same as the 335is and 2011 Z4 sDrive35is. Nothing special here folks, same N54, same 335 hp. Disappointing? In our opinion, for an M, yes. This shares the same motor as other cars in the lineup with no changes. Not even a different tune? In our opinion, the powerplant is a major letdown.

      The transmission is a 6-speed with extra cooling which it no doubt will need for the guys who take this thing out of the track. It sends power to the "M" differential which is just a part derived from the E92 M3. The borrowing from the M3 does not stop there, as the suspension is lifted from the M3 as well. Starting to see a pattern here? No doubt you see it with the wheels which are lifted from the M3 competition package with 245/35/19 and 265/35/19 tire measurements. How about those brakes? Lifted from the M3 as well.

      So far we have a parts bin car with the same motor already available and the same parts that were already designed. So... where is the "M" magic? In the body work of course. Look at those great fenders! The car certainly looks like it is a real M car. That counts, why do you think we got all those teasers of fenders and bumpers?

      The car will sell, they will sell every last one. People have already bought the hype. This isn't an E30 M3 and never will be one. As the guys at insideline put it so well, "No doubt the carmaker would like to recast the 2011 BMW 1 Series M as a spiritual successor to that beloved M3. That's a pipe dream." It is a great looking car that will be fun to drive but this new M era has us shaking our heads in disappointment of what M has now become.

















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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno Click here to enlarge
        335i is a puppy compared to an m3?? Why, suspension bits? Please...sticky, glad you like your m3 so much but why did you mod it then?? We have no idea how far this "puppy" can be modded (n54 motor i mean) ... With my m3 suspension bits all I'm missing is an m badge on my 335i, not that I'd ever slap it on...
        I bought it because they are so strong when modded. I haven't seen any 1000 hp N54's, have you? The E46 M3 is the strongest BMW out there right now. The M3, not the 330. Just like the M3 is the strongest E9X.

        What you are missing is a real M motor. That is what you used to get with M and something that made those models stand out. Some of the best NA engines ever made that with boost are just ridiculous. That is why I don't compare the two, there is no comparison.
      1. e92's Avatar
        e92 -
        why is this such a heated debate?
      1. e92's Avatar
        e92 -
        oh I know. It's because of Sticky
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by e92 Click here to enlarge
        oh I know. It's because of Sticky
        Well of course.

        I like the car, I like it. I just think we deserved more.
      1. e92's Avatar
        e92 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Well of course.

        I like the car, I like it. I just think we deserved more.
        you're right. not enough M badges.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by e92 Click here to enlarge
        you're right. not enough M badges.
        They are selling those as options now. You can get them on any car in the lineup anywhere you want. For enough cash, they will sell you M shaped exhaust tips.
      1. alq80's Avatar
        alq80 -
        I think this is a valid debate. If it was my way, and I was BMW, I would have shad a 3.5L n54 with a rev limit of 8k rPm... That would have been M enough I think.

        Sticky, the problem now is very bureaucratic. You have the m5/6 at the top and they need to be faster and more powerful than all other M cars. Then you have the M3 who suffers from this dilemma. Then you introduce an entry level M car for the masses... As bmw You don't want to upset the m3 owners by making a cheaper car faster or quicker or even rival the power. And you have a proven engine like the n54 tHat can be tuned (not just for power) to behave very differently and please the n54 crowd as well as newcomers and you have a killer recipe.

        So the 1M CAN'T be a better car because it is tied down by marketing and it's BS..

        I honestly wished to see a new iteration of the N54/55 with >3.0 L and possibly VTG like in the 911 turbos. That would have shown progress and made the future Ms seem more appealing.

        Oh and in stock form you have to give the 1M a shot. You might be surprised!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
        Sticky, the problem now is very bureaucratic. You have the m5/6 at the top and they need to be faster and more powerful than all other M cars. Then you have the M3 who suffers from this dilemma. Then you introduce an entry level M car for the masses... As bmw You don't want to upset the m3 owners by making a cheaper car faster or quicker or even rival the power. And you have a proven engine like the n54 tHat can be tuned (not just for power) to behave very differently and please the n54 crowd as well as newcomers and you have a killer recipe.
        Absolutely, this is a key point.

        However, if it isn't about HP then why didn't they give it a great NA 4 cylinder? Some screaming S14 successor that is a real M powerplant so that these E30 M3 comparisons could be worthy? Ok, that may be a bit much but why not at least what you suggested? A higher revving N54? Why not at least something? Different turbos? Even a different tune for crying out loud. NOTHING? Seriously, not a damn thing? It is blatant cutting of corners that has nothing to do with maintaining the hierarchy but with maintaining profits.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
        So the 1M CAN'T be a better car because it is tied down by marketing and it's BS..
        You hit another great point here, agreed.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
        Oh and in stock form you have to give the 1M a shot. You might be surprised!
        I know I would like it. It still would be a parts bin abortion that goes against all that M has held holy, but I would like driving it.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        if the power scheme is a big deal, and things come out bigger and better every evolution, and if the new m3 is getting FI, then why wouldnt BMW see this as the opportunity to start over. make the 1m badass, and the next m3 even more badass, and so-on.. instead of worrying about stepping on your dick on the already released generation, say $#@! it, and just make the next one known to be stronger.. that says to the consumer, you can get badass now in this, or wait and get even more sick later..
      1. M3_WC's Avatar
        M3_WC -
        If I were shopping for a new 335i coupe, no question I would pick this up instead for a couple grand more.
      1. alq80's Avatar
        alq80 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Absolutely, this is a key point.

        However, if it isn't about HP then why didn't they give it a great NA 4 cylinder? Some screaming S14 successor that is a real M powerplant so that these E30 M3 comparisons could be worthy? Ok, that may be a bit much but why not at least what you suggested? A higher revving N54? Why not at least something? Different turbos? Even a different tune for crying out loud. NOTHING? Seriously, not a damn thing? It is blatant cutting of corners that has nothing to do with maintaining the hierarchy but with maintaining profits.



        You hit another great point here, agreed.



        I know I would like it. It still would be a parts bin abortion that goes against all that M has held holy, but I would like driving it.
        Yeah I wish BMW cared MoRE. I agree and wish something was different. But now that you mention an FI I4 would have even been better... Lightweight high revs and history lol

        And it would probably end up with 1000+hp applications haha
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        if the power scheme is a big deal, and things come out bigger and better every evolution, and if the new m3 is getting FI, then why wouldnt BMW see this as the opportunity to start over. make the 1m badass, and the next m3 even more badass, and so-on.. instead of worrying about stepping on your dick on the already released generation, say $#@! it, and just make the next one known to be stronger.. that says to the consumer, you can get badass now in this, or wait and get even more sick later..
        Bud, it's because they put it absolutely no effort and charging M pricing for it. They took a motor they already had sitting around, strapped on some M3 parts, gave it some wider fenders, and called it a day when they strapped on an M badge. That isn't what an M car is about.

        Now all of a sudden anything is an M car with some body/suspension work. It sucks, the badge and brand is diluted.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        If I were shopping for a new 335i coupe, no question I would pick this up instead for a couple grand more.
        As would I.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
        Yeah I wish BMW cared MoRE. I agree and wish something was different. But now that you mention an FI I4 would have even been better... Lightweight high revs and history lol

        And it would probably end up with 1000+hp applications haha
        A FI S14 would satisfy everyone Click here to enlarge Damn would that be sweet...
      1. alq80's Avatar
        alq80 -
        What is the history with tii and why would they name it that or give it a name like 135is? Is it possible that because they released z435is and 335is that they don't want confusion as neither carry M parts in the drivetrain? And what about 140is? Technically it makes the same output as the n54/55 740i,s...

        Problem is, we can only speculate and BMW doesn't really care that much. Sad
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
        What is the history with tii and why would they name it that or give it a name like 135is? Is it possible that because they released z435is and 335is that they don't want confusion as neither carry M parts in the drivetrain? And what about 140is? Technically it makes the same output as the n54/55 740i,s...
        It really should have been an is. The motor it is in other "is" cars, right? They saw an opportunity to make money.

        Remember when they said it would be a limited production car? Well now they are cranking up production to sell as many as they can. All hype and marketing, damn you BMW.
      1. alq80's Avatar
        alq80 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It really should have been an is. The motor it is in other "is" cars, right? They saw an opportunity to make money.

        Remember when they said it would be a limited production car? Well now they are cranking up production to sell as many as they can. All hype and marketing, damn you BMW.
        True. One day they will go back to their roots.. And the next M3 better be a monster (500+hp) that is lightweight too because I don't want an AMG ;(
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
        True. One day they will go back to their roots.. And the next M3 better be a monster (500+hp) that is lightweight too because I don't want an AMG ;(
        With what AMG has cooking, I think a lot of us are going to jump ship.
      1. e92's Avatar
        e92 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        if the power scheme is a big deal, and things come out bigger and better every evolution, and if the new m3 is getting FI, then why wouldnt BMW see this as the opportunity to start over. make the 1m badass, and the next m3 even more badass, and so-on.. instead of worrying about stepping on your dick on the already released generation, say $#@! it, and just make the next one known to be stronger.. that says to the consumer, you can get badass now in this, or wait and get even more sick later..
        that's how it should be done but they'll want to get a couple more years out of the current M3
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        if the power scheme is a big deal, and things come out bigger and better every evolution, and if the new m3 is getting FI, then why wouldnt BMW see this as the opportunity to start over. make the 1m badass, and the next m3 even more badass, and so-on.. instead of worrying about stepping on your dick on the already released generation, say $#@! it, and just make the next one known to be stronger.. that says to the consumer, you can get badass now in this, or wait and get even more sick later..
        I missed a part of this post, you make a good point but BMW doesn't think that way. By having their rigid setup they limit themselves.

        AMG does think this way, they don't care, they will stuff the biggest motor they can in a C class. That is why they aren't backed into a corner with the next generation. The M3 will have a 6 cylinder turbo while the C-class while have a fire breathing 5.5 liter TT V8 that makes it cry (and possibly the M5 as well.. C63 repeated and then some).