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      Here is yet another RS5 vs. E92 M3 comparison vid, this time by AutoCar. It is a better vid than the AutoExpress video comparison but still is typically European where it is subjective with no real data for support. The video concludes with the reviewer stating the RS5 is just a bit quicker and more powerful, which, well, is kind of stupid as it is just based on his opinion. He seems to be going by the crank ratings which mean nothing. The RS5 is heavier and routes the power to all 4 wheels so it is less efficient, putting less to the ground where it counts. Every comparison with real data has shown the M3 to be the faster car, which it is. Basically, this comparison is useless as most of AutoCar's comparison's are.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: AutoCar Review Video: E92 M3 vs. Audi RS5 started by Sticky View original post
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      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        The embarrassing thing is you defending the m3 because you are such a fan boy. Its as pathetic as Footie.
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        1cleanAMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Exactly, but the 190E street car was still aimed at the E30 M3 street car. The 190E 2.5 was really the direct rival for the E30 M3, sport sedan, same type of car.
        No you are incorrect the 2.5 was aimed at the e28 M5.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It was never the best sports car under 100k, it was always the best sports sedan under 100k. You need to learn your history as it is getting embarrassing. So the E46 M3 was a better sports car than a 996? Or a C5 Z06?Those are sports cars, the M3 was always the best all around car, it has never been a dedicated sports car and never will be.You may be having trouble and are comparing it to the GT3 and C6 Vette because you don't even understand what it is.
        Yes I know the M3 is not a sports car. It has never been the best all around car either.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        The embarrassing thing is you defending the m3 because you are such a fan boy. Its as pathetic as Footie.
        At least when I do it I do it with historical accuracy and valid support.

        If you want to make your point, you should have said the M3 should have a higher performance envelope or that BMW needs a higher performance car to compete with the dedicated sports car. That would be valid, but claiming the M3 is a niche vehicle or that competitors appeared 2 years ago is not. No harm no foul, no need to get upset.
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        No you are incorrect the 2.5 was aimed at the e28 M5.
        Make sure you tell that to CAR and everyone else who did 190E vs. E30 M3 comparisons, oh, and to DTM as well:

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      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Exactly, but the 190E street car was still aimed at the E30 M3 street car. The 190E 2.5 was really the direct rival for the E30 M3, sport sedan, same type of car.
        No you are incorrect the 2.5 was aimed at the e28 M5.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It was never the best sports car under 100k, it was always the best sports sedan under 100k. You need to learn your history as it is getting embarrassing. So the E46 M3 was a better sports car than a 996? Or a C5 Z06?Those are sports cars, the M3 was always the best all around car, it has never been a dedicated sports car and never will be.You may be having trouble and are comparing it to the GT3 and C6 Vette because you don't even understand what it is.
        Yes I know the M3 is not a sports car. It has never been the best all around car either.


        Im not upset buddy.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        No you are incorrect the 2.5 was aimed at the e28 M5.

        Yes I know the M3 is not a sports car. It has never been the best all around car either.
        If you want to know the E28 M5 competition well that was the 500E.
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        No you are incorrect the 2.5 was aimed at the e28 M5.
        No, it was not, you need to brush up on your history. The historical rivalry in racing and with the street cars was the 190E vs. the M3 and the S28 M5 vs. the 500E, period.

        Im not upset buddy. Keep wastin you moms money trying to make that m3 of your a sports car
        You sure you aren't mad? That is usually when people try to make Mom jokes. Wasting mom's money? LOL, ok. Trying to make it a sports car? LOL, I thought you just said the M3 was a sports car? Frank, let it go.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        You just showed me two sedans. The m3 coupe has had no competition. Show me a comparable coupe. A COUPE BRAH!!!! A COUPE!!!

        The m3 is a niche market and is just a more sporty version of a 3 series. Not a sports car.
        The M3 coupe is technically a German sport sedan.

        Exactly, it isn't a sports car therefore you shouldn't say the competition is sports cars like the GT3 and C6. You just answered your own statement. Niche market? The sport sedan market is anything but a small niche, the 3 series is bread and butter.
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        The m3 is a niche market and is just a more sporty version of a 3 series. Not a sports car. The only true comp has come from Audi with the RS5 and they both arent anything special. So basically the e92 M3 fails at being an M3 because it isn't special like previous m3's
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        The m3 is a niche market and is just a more sporty version of a 3 series. Not a sports car. The only true comp has come from Audi with the RS5 and they both arent anything special. So basically the e92 M3 fails at being an M3 because it isn't special like previous m3's
        So the E90 and E93 M3's don't count?

        And the E36 sedan doesn't count?

        I agree, the RS5 is not anything special and it is also late to the party. So you don't consider the C63 or IS-F to be M3 competition? Well I do.

        I would also agree that BMW diluted the M3 too much and made a mistake in not giving us a special version, something like a CSL or the GTS.
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        1cleanAMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No, it was not, you need to brush up on your history. The historical rivalry in racing and with the street cars was the 190E vs. the M3 and the S28 M5 vs. the 500E, period.
        Wrong again. The 500E was the direct competitor to the e34 M5
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        You are the one that needs to let it go. The e92 m3 is nothing special and it is not a sportscar. Anyways I have to go.
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        Wrong again. The 500E was the direct competitor to the e34 M5
        Bud, it was compared to the E28 as well as the E34 because the 500E started production in 1990, lol.

        Regardless, hopefully now you understand that the W124 chassis the 500E was based on was the 5 competitor and the 190E was W201 which was the 3 competitor. If you need more schooling, let me know.
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Bud, it was compared to the E28 as well as the E34 because the 500E started production in 1990, lol.

        Regardless, hopefully now you understand that the W124 chassis the 500E was based on was the 5 competitor and the 190E was W201 which was the 3 competitor. If you need more schooling, let me know.
        I dont need anything from you. lol You are wrong.
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        I dont need anything from you. lol You are wrong.
        Quite right actually:

        BMW stunned Europe (and later, most of the rest of the driving world) with the E28-generation M5, a four-door sedan that behaved more like a sports car than a lot of sports cars ever did. The E34 M5 launched in Europe in the fall of 1988 and arrived in the States as a 1991 model. Bodies were produced in Dingolfing and subsequently shipped to the BMW Motorsport facility in a Munich suburb where they received their bespoke driveline and interior trim. Just 1,678 E34 M5s were built for North American consumption from December 1989 through March of 1993; fully 1,280 of those were 1991 models like the 70,000-mile example owned and operated by Dr. Michael Andre of Encinitas, California.

        It is unfair to paint the 500E strictly as Mercedes' answer to the M5: As far back as the 300 SEL 6.3 of the late '60s, Stuttgart had been wedging big-car engines into mid-sized bodies. Like the M5, the 500E was hand-built: Porsche lent its chassis expertise (perhaps also cribbing secrets for the stillborn four-door project of the late '80s in the process), and assembled them in Zuffenhausen. And, while the 500E's $85,000 price tag was a stiff hit, it cost half as much (and performed nearly as well) as AMG's vaunted Hammer, a car no longer available in the States when the 500E arrived. Though Mercedes shifted more than 10,000 specimens worldwide during its lifetime, just 1,505 of them arrived stateside from 1992-'94. Jeff Wong of Foothill Ranch, California, is the original owner of the immaculate black 34,000-mile specimen seen on our pages.
        Ok? So the E28 M5 caught Mercedes off guard and really they scrambled to come up with an answer so the 500E came out. By that time, the E34 M5 was already in development. Quite an interesting story, read up if you like: http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/..._feature7.html

        The 500E was the M5 competitor, the 190E was the E30 M3 competitor. The 500E had to be compared to he E28 and E34 as there was no real option from Mercedes before that, get it?
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        I told you the 500E was a competitor to the e34 M5 and the e30 M3 *Sport Evolution* vs the 190E Evolution II.

        "The E30 M3 Sport Evolution was BMW's counterpunch to the Mercedes 190E 2.5-16 Evolution, a multi-wing creation which produced a rapid reaction from Munich. The M3 was built to an exacting set of specifications to comply with the FIA's Group A Touring Class regulations, which required an initial run of 500 road cars. Unlike the later E36 and E46 M3s, the original E30 M3's main purpose in life was to win races on the track, not the street. It got the job done."

        http://www.europeancarweb.com/tuned/...ion/index.html Interesting read*
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Uh, bud, your previous post does not make much sense considering you posted this:

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        No you are incorrect the 2.5 was aimed at the e28 M5.
        No big deal, you were wrong. Oh, and nice try deleting it Click here to enlarge

        Like I said, the closest Mercedes competitor for the M5's was the 500E, not 190E.

        And yes, what this establishes is that BMW clearly has had rivals for its M cars from early on, not just 2 or 3 years ago. Game, set, match.
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        I didnt try to delete anything wtf are you talking about. You are like a girl making $#@! up.

        No bud that was the e30 sedan and it was made for racing the Merc. What competitors did the e36 or the e46 had. Dont even joke about the rs4 being it for the e46. The M3 is a niche. There was no comp until recent years. No coupe comparable to the M3 coupe. The closest thing was the Porsche Carrera.
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        I didnt try to delete anything wtf are you talking about. You are like a girl making $#@! up.
        Bud, your deleted post saying the 190E 2.5 was aimed at the M5, I just undeleted it.

        What competitors did the E36 have? Well, how about the B5 S4 to start with?

        The E46 M3? How about the C32 AMG and then the C55 AMG?
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        I deleted it because I wrote the wrong thing. It wasnt what I wanted to say. You cant bring back deleted post what the hell are you doing.

        You are naming sedans those are other cars.