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    • BMW Confirms N54 power for 1 M Coupe and 6 speed only in interview - Huge Letdown

      Now before the N54 fans get in a tizzy, the letdown here isn't the N54. It is that BMW is just taking the same motor they already have and just giving it some slightly different programming and calling it an M. The N54 was not an M caliber motor when placed in the 335 but now it is all of a sudden? BMW produced the N54 before the S65 yet they never would have felt a higher boost version was M worthy. How times have changed at BMW M.

      Not worthy of M Badging

      This is the first time BMW is simply going to take a base motor, change ecu programming, and toss it in an M car. They have never done this before. The X5 M and X6 M at least get different turbos, intercoolers, and programming justifying the M badging. What exactly separates this vehicle from an upgraded 135? Why isn't it a 135is? No M specific motor, same 6 speed that is already available. Throwing some M3 suspension and brake bits on it makes it an M? We have users here who already have superior vehicles to this by modifying their 135's. The main difference that we see is simply the styling and the dual exhaust. This is a huge letdown.

      What should it have been?

      It should have been an N55 with N54 heads. A unique platform that would give the best of both worlds as well as justify the badging. M's have powerplants you don't get in the base models. Could you imagine an M3 being a mildly tuned N54? No, and neither could BMW which is why it received the S65. Now they are trying to get away with charging more for basically doing nothing special. Expect all future M models to just be the same thing already available just with some different programming. This is frankly embarrassing, very difficult to be enthusiastic about the future of M products now that they have set this precedent.

      This seems like it will be a great car, what is the problem?

      Oh yes, it will be a great car just like the 135 is a great car. BMW actually has the arrogance to compare this car to the E30 M3. BMW essentially admits this is a parts bin car sharing M3 pieces. It isn't worthy of such a lofty comparison. They are going to charge more for parts they have already developed and that have been in production for some time. That means they are now cheaper to produce and they are just recycling pieces. This means BMW can now get away with being lazy and taking the "cheap" way out. All the other sites on the net even are patting them on the back for it, unbelievable.

      Read the entire "inverview" here from m-power.com. Kind of odd to call this an interview when the website doing the interview is BMW's own hype machine. Consider this a marketing exercise, not an interview:

      M-Power.com: Mr Biermann, what makes the 1 Series M Coupé so special?

      Biermann: In my opinion, the 1 Series M Coupé is completely in the tradition of the first BMW M3. It is compact, focused on the essential, and presents outstanding driving dynamics. In addition, it opens the door to BMW M – in particular its price will also make it more accessible than our other products.

      M-Power.com: Where will the price be then?

      Biermann: The price has not been fixed yet. However, I’m sure that it will lie somewhere between the 135i Coupé and the M3 Coupé, with a clear tendency towards the 135i.

      M-Power.com: What will the customers be getting for their money?

      Biermann: The BMW 1 Series M Coupé is driven by a 3.0 litre inline six cylinder bi turbo engine delivering about 340 hp. This power is transferred exclusively via a six speed manual gearbox. A closer look at the prototypes will reveal many similarities to the chassis, brakes, and rear differential of the BMW M3.

      M-Power.com: So what we have is a small BMW M3?

      Biermann: To a certain extent, absolutely. Yet, on the other hand, not really. There are parallels between the power and weight of the BMW 1 Series M Coupé (we expect about 1500 kg) and the BMW M3 E46. On the performance side, though, it will be in its own league. We assume that the 1 Series M Coupé will be about ten seconds faster than the M3 predecessor on the Nordschleife. And of course it will have its own particular character.

      M-Power.com: Its own particular character is also shown in the first design details. What can we expect here?

      Biermann: Of course, we can’t disclose all of the details today. A number of distinctive design details can already be viewed on the internet. In addition, you can expect to find the usual M icons both inside and outside. However, one figure I can give you: the BMW 1 Series M Coupé will be about 80 mm wider than the 135i.

      M-Power.com: When can we expect further details?

      Biermann: We’ll be announcing all details on the BMW 1 Series M Coupé in mid December. Until then, there is a constant stream of news at M-Power.com. The world premiere of the BMW 1 Series M Coupé will be held at the Detroit Auto Show in January 2011, and vehicles will be delivered to the first customers in early summer.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: BMW Confirms N54 power for 1 M Coupe and 6 speed only in interview - Huge Letdown started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 33 Comments
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Adgar Click here to enlarge
        Did the interview say N54 or 3.0 liter twin turbo? Yeah I know the N54 has those same specs but let's at least wait until the official release.
        It is N54, they aren't going to have a brand new twin turbo powerplant putting out 340 hp.
      1. Irishace's Avatar
        Irishace -
        One can hope they up the size of the turbos though.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
        One can hope they up the size of the turbos though.
        no, we already have that covered, well, yes, it would be nice to have even bigger, but thats unlikely. now if they had bigger/better injectors/ HPFP. that would be good for us that already smoke ///M's on a daily basis
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        no, we already have that covered, well, yes, it would be nice to have even bigger, but thats unlikely. now if they had bigger/better injectors/ HPFP. that would be good for us that already smoke ///M's on a daily basis
        Chances are they did nothing.

        If they still haven't figured out the HPFP for you guys why would they for this?
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Chances are they did nothing.

        If they still haven't figured out the HPFP for you guys why would they for this?
        Thats one of my concerns. given the uppity attitude of current M owners, and now with the reduced price for a badge whore, allowing younger and even less mature owners, I would think the customer would be furious if they have to bring their car in for service numerous times, especially for the same thing.. Something has to have changed. If they overlooked this 1 single part, then they are definatly asking for a lawsuit.

        In fact, if anyone, individual or automaker were to bring this to the public light, it would be a horendous PR hassle for BMW
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Thats one of my concerns. given the uppity attitude of current M owners, and now with the reduced price for a badge whore, allowing younger and even less mature owners, I would think the customer would be furious if they have to bring their car in for service numerous times, especially for the same thing.. Something has to have changed. If they overlooked this 1 single part, then they are definatly asking for a lawsuit.

        In fact, if anyone, individual or automaker were to bring this to the public light, it would be a horendous PR hassle for BMW
        The HPFP thing is as prominent as any issue BMW has had. Nothing can be done as long as they keep replacing pumps.

        Yes, this is going to allow even more kids in, wonderful. At least they will all hang out on a different site. I think I'm done with BMW M after this, I want them to move further upscale nor further down.
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The HPFP thing is as prominent as any issue BMW has had. Nothing can be done as long as they keep replacing pumps.

        Yes, this is going to allow even more kids in, wonderful. At least they will all hang out on a different site. I think I'm done with BMW M after this, I want them to move further upscale nor further down.

        Want to join me in the Porsche arena? I think we might be safer there..
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
        Want to join me in the Porsche arena? I think we might be safer there..
        I'm thinking about it, maybe Porsche or Benz as well. I'm liking all of them a lot more as of late.
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        Its amazing that they are placing the N54 in this car. There is a ton of aftermarket stuff for the N54. Imagine a Stage 2 1M...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        This is amazing that they are placing the N54 in this car. There is a ton of aftermarket stuff for the N54. Imagine a Stage 2 1M...
        I can imagine a Stage 2 1m, it will be like many of the JB3 135's we already have here.

        It isn't amazing they are putting the N54 in this car, the N54 has already been there. It is half-assed BMW M.
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I can imagine a Stage 2 1m, it will be like many of the JB3 135's we already have here.

        It isn't amazing they are putting the N54 in this car, the N54 has already been there. It is half-assed BMW M.
        Its would be stupid to make an engine for a car which is going to be replaced in 2 years. The 135i's that we have here cant put the power down like this car not even with the best suspension setup. This car must definitely have better cooling ( bigger fan and radiator and more oil coolers) so you can beat the $#@! out of it all day without compromise.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        Its would be stupid to make an engine for a car which is going to be replaced in 2 years. The 135i's that we have here cant put the power down like this car not even with the best suspension setup. This car must definitely have better cooling ( bigger fan and radiator and more oil coolers) so you can beat the $#@! out of it all day without compromise.
        No it isn't, they have done it before. That motor can evolve as well. The S50 US had a run of what?

        The 135's can't put their power down like this car, why not? Their aftermarket diffs are better than the M3 diff that will just be carried over.

        It must have better cooling? Right... like how BMW M cars must have brakes that don't fade? Or transmissions that don't overheat on the track?
      1. Doug007's Avatar
        Doug007 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        This car must definitely have better cooling ( bigger fan and radiator and more oil coolers) so you can beat the $#@! out of it all day without compromise.
        +1. They must have done something to keep the thing from limping on the track. Here's to easily installable parts on other N54s!