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      Interesting races here showing supercharged M3's going up against each other as well as a Ventura Motorsport Comp Turbo 6465 top mount 335i. The three M3's feature superchargers with the white 6-speed E92 M3 featuring the Active Autowerke Level III supercharger kit and the other two M3's running Gintani superchargers. Although the 335i has the most power and torque of the group, the M3's show just how quick they are at speed.

      There is more to a race than just peak figures as the shift speed, gearing, area under the curve, and redline of the M3's work to their advantage on the highway. The following is in the words of Ventura Motorsports and the owner of the 335i:


      Had a great time last night meeting some new people in Mexico. It was an impromptu meet so I didn't get to take any footage from my car . We are going to set something up in the next couple of weeks. I'll be ready with mounts and cameras etc.

      White e92 M3 6speed Active Autowerke level 3 SC kit
      Laguna Seca e92 M3 6speed Gintani Stage 2+
      Red e92 M3 DCT Gintani Stage 2+

      All M3s are running 91 octane and Meth. I am running e40 blend 100% Meth and Map 7 23 psi.

      They are very, very quick. Surprised me more than I thought to be honest. Everytime we started second gear rolls, they would get a good jump and I would play catch up. It would be hard for me to catch up though. 3rd gear rolls though I would move out pretty well, once I hit 4th gear It was over. Everyone seemed to be in the 580-600whp region. I dynoed 627 whp on Map 7 with this trim.

      That flatline shift bog @aflatau really really hurts, it's not even funny. I've notice if I switch at 6800 rpm, it does not bog. I will have to do more testing.



      First and second race is Second gear roll. Red Vs White M3

      Third race is Second gear roll Red M3 Vs Me. Spun pretty hard and once I hit third gear I guess it kicked me into map 4

      Fourth race is second gear roll Red M3 Vs Me. I didn't realize I was kicked down to map 4 in this race lol so yea 12 psi run.

      Fifth race is third gear roll Red M3 Vs Me. Map 7 23 psi Good run here.

      Last race is all of us, second gear roll just for fun lol.

      There are more runs and vids from the other guys. I wish I had more to post up. Looked like the level 3 AA kit seemed to be the fastest of them all. In the end, we all had a blast. Nobody cared who's car was the fastest. I can't wait to hang out with these guys again.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: VM ST Top Mount VS 3 Supercharged E92 M3 started by fastgti69 View original post
      Comments 79 Comments
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Whenever these runs happen it seems there never is a perfectly running single turbo N54.
        The same could be said for your car @Sticky. Clutches are slipping, belts are breaking, or it just flat out isn't "ready yet." Takes time to work out the kinks, you of all people should know this Click here to enlarge
      1. Blaizon's Avatar
        Blaizon -
        @ChuckD05 your comments about the R888's is absolutely true. I drove my buddies 700rwhp supercharged FRC and I could dead hook from any gear! I could not believe how well the car handled *made 650+rwtq*. I have AD08r's now and will be switching to R888's next season. Your comments about the open diff are spot on as well.
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blaizon Click here to enlarge
        @ChuckD05 your comments about the R888's is absolutely true. I drove my buddies 700rwhp supercharged FRC and I could dead hook from any gear! I could not believe how well the car handled *made 650+rwtq*. I have AD08r's now and will be switching to R888's next season. Your comments about the open diff are spot on as well.

        Click here to enlarge I appreciate the feedback, many would say otherwise on here I am sure... Ive had that argument many times with people but I have learned from experience.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        The same could be said for your car @Sticky. Clutches are slipping, belts are breaking, or it just flat out isn't "ready yet." Takes time to work out the kinks, you of all people should know this Click here to enlarge
        Of course it takes development but my point is the excuses sure seem to fly when turbo upgraded 335's lose.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
        They display impressive performance and surprisingly do VERY well here... but I do not get how you can say this is a special turbo upgrade for the n54 vs basic supercharger kit for m3. They are very similar upgrades and the only argument id be able to make is that the m3 upgrade is a more substantial one considering its a high compression N/A motor getting boost really waking it up to another level. IMO, that is a more complex or "superior" upgrade than the kit on the n54. Also you speak of built motor boosted m3s etc, when in the country how many are really built motor and boosted like yours or that red one? MAYBE a few more ?!?!? The products to do so have been there for a while, to compare those to any current upgraded n54 is pointless.... Doesn't make sense... stock bolt on kits vs stock bolt on kits are the comparison to make... same level with the n54 being handicapped in that but that is the comparison. Who gives a F about the built motor s65s beating the $#@! out of n54s ? Its no surprise to anyone with common sense what will happen. I don't get why that's always brought up.
        It gets brought up because people say, 'wait until this amount of boost or it does this or that' and yet it's not fair to say wait until you see an M3 with internals designed to be boosted?

        A bolted on supercharger is not the same thing as a big turbo upgrade on a car turbocharged from the factory.
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
        a few things...

        FAST GTI PPPLLEEEAASSEEE Buy Toyo R888s all around or throw nt05Rs, nt555rs, ET street radials on the rear.... they will do more than an LSD will do for you in races like these. r888s all around will last a good bit, HOOK 1000000x better, and feel 100% stable at all speeds unlike mixed radials with street rubber..... Flame or debate this, but its true. Good rubber will do more for straight line traction than a LSD. Some peoples fastest 60s come from open diffs to... LSDs are more for turning than straight line, i never understand the reviews on here praising straight line grip with an LSD while the car has run-flats on it, it makes me LOL. If you are serious about your cars performance and are a driving advertisement for your turbo kit get good rubber on your car asap!!! 275 r888s will dead hook from 2nd when warm and throttled right, i guarantee u ...

        I also just don't get how a race can happen, on video, and you're on wg spring boost.racing sc m3s for the first time. Wouldn't you have hit your gas prior and realized you were down 100s of hp? Why even race?? But OP still posted it, didn't make excuses, or make up stories, i just don't get it..... Click here to enlarge
        Thanks Chuck. I think I'll be going with Mickey Thompsons as well as LSD too. I'll need to dry so real tires with better rubber instead of the nt05s.

        The first race, was second gear map 7. I spun so hard, It kicked me to map 4 without me knowing. We went again right after, second races was map 4 and I didn't even know it. Thats when I was like oh, I got kicked down. Then the third and last race again, right after the second race. I lined up and checked everything, map 7 full meth flow etc. Did that third gear roll and just pulled.

        All races I had with all other cars was just like that. Start in third gear, I would just dominate and move out. Second gear rolls, I played catch up because not enough traction on my part. We will all meet again in a couple of weeks.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blaizon Click here to enlarge
        @ChuckD05 your comments about the R888's is absolutely true. I drove my buddies 700rwhp supercharged FRC and I could dead hook from any gear! I could not believe how well the car handled *made 650+rwtq*. I have AD08r's now and will be switching to R888's next season. Your comments about the open diff are spot on as well.
        So r888 or Mickey Thompsons?
      1. Blaizon's Avatar
        Blaizon -
        No contest R888's!
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        To me a 600whp single 335 seems annoying to own. I would be annoyed to constantly be messing with wg springs, fueling, tuning, etc. I'm the kinda guy that likes to get my kit and just run the car. No tweaks, no issues, no messing with maps, just enjoy the car. To each his own but it does seem like the single high hp n54's still have tuning issues to work out and I really question how enjoyable they are to drive/own in the long run.
      1. Tony@VargasTurboTech's Avatar
        Tony@VargasTurboTech -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        To me a 600whp single 335 seems annoying to own. I would be annoyed to constantly be messing with wg springs, fueling, tuning, etc. I'm the kinda guy that likes to get my kit and just run the car. No tweaks, no issues, no messing with maps, just enjoy the car. To each his own but it does seem like the single high hp n54's still have tuning issues to work out and I really question how enjoyable they are to drive/own in the long run.
        When something is set up right there is absolutely no reason to tweak it, this goes for a single turbo N54, or a SC M3. What happens is, these are peoples toys, they think about these cars more than most of the people in their lives, this leads to constantly tinkering, changing stuff etc. I put over 1000 miles on out shop car with over 550WHP and 650WTQ and didn't have to touch a single thing, and it would still be driving fine I am sure, but I wanted to take it to the track, now its broken, and while I have it apart I am going to tweak a few more things to see if we can get some more power. Thats just the name of the game. I know for a fact if someone was happy with 600WHP they could have a shop thats knows what they are doing, install the kit, tune it, and not mess with it for many thousands of miles, but that never happens, 600WHP is only fast for a while, then you want more, then more, then before you know it your nice BMW is a race car. Whoooops
      1. dmacpro91's Avatar
        dmacpro91 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
        When something is set up right there is absolutely no reason to tweak it, this goes for a single turbo N54, or a SC M3. What happens is, these are peoples toys, they think about these cars more than most of the people in their lives, this leads to constantly tinkering, changing stuff etc. I put over 1000 miles on out shop car with over 550WHP and 650WTQ and didn't have to touch a single thing, and it would still be driving fine I am sure, but I wanted to take it to the track, now its broken, and while I have it apart I am going to tweak a few more things to see if we can get some more power. Thats just the name of the game. I know for a fact if someone was happy with 600WHP they could have a shop thats knows what they are doing, install the kit, tune it, and not mess with it for many thousands of miles, but that never happens, 600WHP is only fast for a while, then you want more, then more, then before you know it your nice BMW is a race car. Whoooops
        +1

        When I bought my 135i I told myself I'd just get the JB4 and enjoy 340whp. Then I drove it, got used to the power, lost a race, and it was time for downpipes, E85, etc. Now I'm basically FBO+Meth and the car runs great when I'm not trying to mess with something. Honestly though, I kind of enjoy doing a little bit of tweaking now and then. It's almost relaxing.

        That race where it hooked up though was amazing. So excited to get my kit!
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        @fastgti69 . Id get r888s all around due to zero trade off on handling that you would give up with mixed radials and street radials... You would hook a little better with the et streets but the sidewalls are much softer and high speed hooligan cruising would be a bit more unsafe. R888s all around are the perfect tire setup for any serious enthusiast with high hp and a desire to drive it daily. In the rain isnt a problem at low speeds either, i daily drove them on my 135i for over a year as well as nt05rs , both did fine in the rain when driven like a mature adult. No issues what so ever.
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        To me a 600whp single 335 seems annoying to own. I would be annoyed to constantly be messing with wg springs, fueling, tuning, etc. I'm the kinda guy that likes to get my kit and just run the car. No tweaks, no issues, no messing with maps, just enjoy the car. To each his own but it does seem like the single high hp n54's still have tuning issues to work out and I really question how enjoyable they are to drive/own in the long run.
        Well to be honest, there's still literally only a handful of us that are pushing the limits and testing. My car doesn't need any tweaks or tuning. I just fill up with some ethanol and change map at a push of a few buttons. People like me, doing testing will be changing the WG spring, trying different setups etc. We're all still learning with these new types of setups. I honestly couldn't be happier with my N54. Such a fun/comfortable beast to drive daily.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dmacpro91 Click here to enlarge
        That race where it hooked up though was amazing. So excited to get my kit!
        Click here to enlarge Can't wait either!

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
        @fastgti69 . Id get r888s all around due to zero trade off on handling that you would give up with mixed radials and street radials... You would hook a little better with the et streets but the sidewalls are much softer and high speed hooligan cruising would be a bit more unsafe. R888s all around are the perfect tire setup for any serious enthusiast with high hp and a desire to drive it daily. In the rain isnt a problem at low speeds either, i daily drove them on my 135i for over a year as well as nt05rs , both did fine in the rain when driven like a mature adult. No issues what so ever.
        So any R compound as you said, would be much better than the nt05 I have now? I was debating between R888, Mickey Thompsons, and the Nt05R as you stated.
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
        So any R compound as you said, would be much better than the nt05 I have now? I was debating between R888, Mickey Thompsons, and the Nt05R as you stated.

        Yes , no comparison really. R888s are a more all around tire though, they will handle better than any tire out there for the $$ as well where the MT or NT05Rs will force you to give up stability up top 100+ changing lanes or over bumps etc... the sidewall is softer and the tread is engineered strictly for straight line grip as a priority where the r888s could shine in a straight line or on an auto cross or race track.
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
        Yes , no comparison really. R888s are a more all around tire though, they will handle better than any tire out there for the $$ as well where the MT or NT05Rs will force you to give up stability up top 100+ changing lanes or over bumps etc... the sidewall is softer and the tread is engineered strictly for straight line grip as a priority where the r888s could shine in a straight line or on an auto cross or race track.
        R888 it is!
      1. Ando@BMS's Avatar
        Ando@BMS -
        Toyo R888 are great, but it didn't last more than 8 months on my car.

        I can probably say more people have problems with stock/hybrid upgrades then we do with our single setup. Smoking turbos, wastegate rattle, etc. You can easily have a 400whp single turbo on a 91/93 octane. Most stock guys would need more fuel, meth and map 7 pushing it to get there.
      1. gogunbaba's Avatar
        gogunbaba -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
        I really don't understand, what am I trying to prove lol? I just met up with a few buddies and did some pulls. They beat me from second gear rolls, and I beat them from third gear rolls. What's so hard to understand?

        Makes me not even want to take videos to post, I really thought some may enjoy this stuff. Very weird to me lol.
        I have no idea who you are. However, I have been reading your posts for a long time. You sound like a super nice dude from what I see how you handle yourself on this forum. You don't get into keyboard wars with anyone. Don't take this person seriously and get discouraged. You are doing a lot of good things for this community. Keep up the good work.
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gogunbaba Click here to enlarge
        I have no idea who you are. However, I have been reading your posts for a long time. You sound like a super nice dude from what I see how you handle yourself on this forum. You don't get into keyboard wars with anyone. Don't take this person seriously and get discouraged. You are doing a lot of good things for this community. Keep up the good work.
        Thanks man, I really appreciate the kind words and honesty. I will try to keep providing everyone with info and videos. I'm glad that some people actually enjoy my posts and respect it.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Nice runs - those M3s sound sick. Nice to hear a FI S65 spinning at 8XXX RPM - nothing much sounds as good.
      1. lamia2super's Avatar
        lamia2super -
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