• Ventura Motorsports top mount single turbo 335i vs. three supercharged E92 M3's

      Interesting races here showing supercharged M3's going up against each other as well as a Ventura Motorsport Comp Turbo 6465 top mount 335i. The three M3's feature superchargers with the white 6-speed E92 M3 featuring the Active Autowerke Level III supercharger kit and the other two M3's running Gintani superchargers. Although the 335i has the most power and torque of the group, the M3's show just how quick they are at speed.

      There is more to a race than just peak figures as the shift speed, gearing, area under the curve, and redline of the M3's work to their advantage on the highway. The following is in the words of Ventura Motorsports and the owner of the 335i:


      Had a great time last night meeting some new people in Mexico. It was an impromptu meet so I didn't get to take any footage from my car . We are going to set something up in the next couple of weeks. I'll be ready with mounts and cameras etc.

      White e92 M3 6speed Active Autowerke level 3 SC kit
      Laguna Seca e92 M3 6speed Gintani Stage 2+
      Red e92 M3 DCT Gintani Stage 2+

      All M3s are running 91 octane and Meth. I am running e40 blend 100% Meth and Map 7 23 psi.

      They are very, very quick. Surprised me more than I thought to be honest. Everytime we started second gear rolls, they would get a good jump and I would play catch up. It would be hard for me to catch up though. 3rd gear rolls though I would move out pretty well, once I hit 4th gear It was over. Everyone seemed to be in the 580-600whp region. I dynoed 627 whp on Map 7 with this trim.

      That flatline shift bog @aflatau really really hurts, it's not even funny. I've notice if I switch at 6800 rpm, it does not bog. I will have to do more testing.



      First and second race is Second gear roll. Red Vs White M3

      Third race is Second gear roll Red M3 Vs Me. Spun pretty hard and once I hit third gear I guess it kicked me into map 4

      Fourth race is second gear roll Red M3 Vs Me. I didn't realize I was kicked down to map 4 in this race lol so yea 12 psi run.

      Fifth race is third gear roll Red M3 Vs Me. Map 7 23 psi Good run here.

      Last race is all of us, second gear roll just for fun lol.

      There are more runs and vids from the other guys. I wish I had more to post up. Looked like the level 3 AA kit seemed to be the fastest of them all. In the end, we all had a blast. Nobody cared who's car was the fastest. I can't wait to hang out with these guys again.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: VM ST Top Mount VS 3 Supercharged E92 M3 started by fastgti69 View original post
      Comments 79 Comments
      1. djpaulie's Avatar
        djpaulie -
        Car looks like it's running great and sounds awesome, just need to get that flat line issue fixed and traction and it'll be wicked. I really wish you were able to have a high flow exhaust where you live, a fair amount of power and spool missed in that. Not that that would help with your traction problem though... Click here to enlarge
      1. mjmarovi's Avatar
        mjmarovi -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
        I think I'm missing something here. The 335 won one race and lost twice... It clearly has the power but unless the conditions are perfect they get beat pretty easily (from the vids I've seen). Having said that when things fall into place for the 335s they can hand out some beat downs, but it's really not that often. Not hating but I just don't see the point of the single (and I think it looks ugly). I would much rather have upgraded twins if I owned a 335
        I'm personally not a huge fan of the top mounts either, it was just another reason for me to go bottom mount like I did. to me the only reason to go top mount is just to make it blatant to the unknowing that you have a turbo under the hood or you may want to hide a manifold that isn't so great looking. (I do not think the latter is the case here)

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Zee Click here to enlarge
        +1 I said the same thing the 335i clearly won 1 race the other races it lost to M3's with less power. How is this a nice "kill"? Most people on here must not have watched the video LOL.

        In car camera is an M3 you can tell by the mirror, Blue sedan is the 335 you can tell by the headlights 07 or 08. white car is an M3, blue coupe is a M3.
        I almost posted the same thing...but then I actually used my two eyes and my education to read. He ran 12psi wastegate spring pressure on two of the races....and still only 23psi on the race he won. I'm not sure I would classify it as a "kill" either but it was quite clear when he runs his normal tune these M3's had no chance.
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
        man @fastgti69 you always showcase your car when its not at full potential, show us what that thing can actually do at high boost, perfect tires, etc
        I do real world stuff lol. My car is my daily, it's not prepped with LSD, Slicks, roll cage w/e you want it to be. Plus, I put my car at mid boost because we all knew my car was much faster than all of theirs.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
        I think I'm missing something here. The 335 won one race and lost twice... It clearly has the power but unless the conditions are perfect they get beat pretty easily (from the vids I've seen). Having said that when things fall into place for the 335s they can hand out some beat downs, but it's really not that often. Not hating but I just don't see the point of the single (and I think it looks ugly). I would much rather have upgraded twins if I owned a 335
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Zee Click here to enlarge
        +1 I said the same thing the 335i clearly won 1 race the other races it lost to M3's with less power. How is this a nice "kill"? Most people on here must not have watched the video LOL.

        In car camera is an M3 you can tell by the mirror, Blue sedan is the 335 you can tell by the headlights 07 or 08. white car is an M3, blue coupe is a M3.
        Maybe the third time I said this in the thread. Second gear rolls, they had me because I had no traction. Third gear rolls, they never had any chance, and thats only on 23 psi. It's literally nothing to what my car can do. To each his own on what their preference is. I enjoy popping my hood open and having people stand in awe.

        I put all info in the first post, so you know what car is what. Running what kit and manual or DCT etc, I put all the info there. Most people might have not read the info.. There are like 20 runs that were not recorded. I did multiple third gear rolls with each car, it was instant pull on my end. I could have raised the boost even more, but what's the point in that when my car is already faster at only 23 psi lol.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        this isn't the *best* example of a perfectly running single turbo N54.

        lots of issues to sort out, so i look at this as a 'what this car can do now' baseline haha

        it's just like an RB/VTT2'd N54 in 2nd spinning the tires.. which it would, because it makes more torque.. or going into low boost limp mode.. which it can.
        People with N54 are the only people that understand. I don't think M3's have too much traction issues when blown as well.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by djpaulie Click here to enlarge
        Car looks like it's running great and sounds awesome, just need to get that flat line issue fixed and traction and it'll be wicked. I really wish you were able to have a high flow exhaust where you live, a fair amount of power and spool missed in that. Not that that would help with your traction problem though... Click here to enlarge
        We will have a cutout on my car next week. Also ordering LSD and slicks so no more traction issues.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
        I almost posted the same thing...but then I actually used my two eyes and my education to read. He ran 12psi wastegate spring pressure on two of the races....and still only 23psi on the race he won. I'm not sure I would classify it as a "kill" either but it was quite clear when he runs his normal tune these M3's had no chance.
        Thank you for reading, it's not a common thing on forums for people to read. Click here to enlarge
      1. justinp's Avatar
        justinp -
        doing 2nd gear pulls on the highway is retarded, blocking in traffic in 3 lanes while you slow down to 20 mph ...?
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        this isn't the *best* example of a perfectly running single turbo N54.

        lots of issues to sort out, so i look at this as a 'what this car can do now' baseline haha

        it's just like an RB/VTT2'd N54 in 2nd spinning the tires.. which it would, because it makes more torque.. or going into low boost limp mode.. which it can.
        See I can live with that view of the race... But to say "nice kill" or " I can't wait for my single" just don't make sense lol there is potential there but this isn't the best example
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        @fastgti69 If you did multiple 3rd gear runs why didn't you show more? I'm just commenting on what I saw in the video saw in the first post. Your car obviously makes more power because when it does hook up it took off. There just seem to be too many variables for ALL the single turbo kits in order to get a solid run.

        On a side note the traction issue is why I personally have never been a fan of high power turbo 3series. They are cool to look at but they can't put the power down.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        this isn't the *best* example of a perfectly running single turbo N54.
        Whenever these runs happen it seems there never is a perfectly running single turbo N54.
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
        @fastgti69 If you did multiple 3rd gear runs why didn't you show more? I'm just commenting on what I saw in the video saw in the first post. Your car obviously makes more power because when it does hook up it took off. There just seem to be too many variables for ALL the single turbo kits in order to get a solid run.

        On a side note the traction issue is why I personally have never been a fan of high power turbo 3series. They are cool to look at but they can't put the power down.
        It was not a planned meet. I met up with them last minute and left work early. I didn't bring my camera mount or anything. This is the only video I got from the other car lol. I never really do second gear pulls at that power level so I wasn't expecting that much spin. That was the only variable in this case to be honest.

        I was on Nt05s with regular open diff near 600wtq, I don't know what else to say. I'm sure if I had some radials and LSD it will make quite a difference. We have an LSD on order should be picking it up next week.
      1. Zee's Avatar
        Zee -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
        @fastgti69 If you did multiple 3rd gear runs why didn't you show more? I'm just commenting on what I saw in the video saw in the first post. Your car obviously makes more power because when it does hook up it took off. There just seem to be too many variables for ALL the single turbo kits in order to get a solid run.

        On a side note the traction issue is why I personally have never been a fan of high power turbo 3series. They are cool to look at but they can't put the power down.
        +1 this video makes no sense to me it really shows nothing and just pure speculation from OP.
      1. Zee's Avatar
        Zee -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Whenever these runs happen it seems there never is a perfectly running single turbo N54.
        Very true, I have yet to see a good clean race from a single turbo yet. Maybe that will change soon.
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Those AA and Gintani S/C set ups are the dogs bollocks... raced a Gintani stage 2.5 or something like that just in a quick 30-100 mph race, I had him until we shifted at 60 into 3rd then it was bye byes, he left me for dust
      1. Ando@BMS's Avatar
        Ando@BMS -
        Terry and I have a few runs with our single turbo cars. Obviously with a new setup and tuning still being developed you are going to have a problem with it.

        Last time at shift sector our cars run solid. I was around 540whp on the 5858 and Terry was at 580whp?

        Anyways we got Shift S3ector and NFZ coming up very soon and we will be racing at least two of our single turbo cars there and I am sure we will see @fastgti69 there and other single turbo guys.

        Kudos to @fastgti69 for posting a video even though he had couple runs where his car didn't perform well and he was on map 4.
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Zee Click here to enlarge
        +1 this video makes no sense to me it really shows nothing and just pure speculation from OP.
        I really don't understand, what am I trying to prove lol? I just met up with a few buddies and did some pulls. They beat me from second gear rolls, and I beat them from third gear rolls. What's so hard to understand?

        Makes me not even want to take videos to post, I really thought some may enjoy this stuff. Very weird to me lol.
      1. rawad1017's Avatar
        rawad1017 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
        I really don't understand, what am I trying to prove lol? I just met up with a few buddies and did some pulls. They beat me from second gear rolls, and I beat them from third gear rolls. What's so hard to understand?

        Makes me not even want to take videos to post, I really thought some may enjoy this stuff. Very weird to me lol.
        you should know better by now not to take haters seriously mayne
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
        It was not a planned meet. I met up with them last minute and left work early. I didn't bring my camera mount or anything. This is the only video I got from the other car lol. I never really do second gear pulls at that power level so I wasn't expecting that much spin. That was the only variable in this case to be honest.

        I was on Nt05s with regular open diff near 600wtq, I don't know what else to say. I'm sure if I had some radials and LSD it will make quite a difference. We have an LSD on order should be picking it up next week.
        Ok this makes more sense to me now lol but yeah get that LSD ASAP and get some solid vids!
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Whenever these runs happen it seems there never is a perfectly running single turbo N54.
        There's obviously huge issues still to overcome with the tuning

        I just don't understand people saying 'it's fine we have full control of the DME blah blah'... so yeah what's with everyone complaining of shift bog and stuff still if it's so sorted?

        Not saying they're not already damn quick/powerful.. but there's so many issues still to overcome. I'm sure they will be with time too.

        I don't think it's an excuse, just a fact.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
        See I can live with that view of the race... But to say "nice kill" or " I can't wait for my single" just don't make sense lol there is potential there but this isn't the best example
        haha i still think it's fair to say 'can't wait for my single' as someone who's already an N54 powered car owner Click here to enlarge
      1. Zee's Avatar
        Zee -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
        I really don't understand, what am I trying to prove lol? I just met up with a few buddies and did some pulls. They beat me from second gear rolls, and I beat them from third gear rolls. What's so hard to understand?

        Makes me not even want to take videos to post, I really thought some may enjoy this stuff. Very weird to me lol.
        Its the internet PROVE IT! LOL no hard feelings I am just poking at you while I am at work.
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        In all seriousness though it does seem like there is still an awful lot to overcome tuning wise for the single kits. I know I've already said it but I personally would rather have some rb's (or equivalent upgrade) twins and make a solid, consistent 400ish whp with almost non existent lag. At the end of the day there's no right or wrong choice, some choices are just more right than others...e46 m3 but to each their own
      1. Nugs's Avatar
        Nugs -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Whenever these runs happen it seems there never is a perfectly running single turbo N54.
        Click here to enlarge
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        a few things...

        FAST GTI PPPLLEEEAASSEEE Buy Toyo R888s all around or throw nt05Rs, nt555rs, ET street radials on the rear.... they will do more than an LSD will do for you in races like these. r888s all around will last a good bit, HOOK 1000000x better, and feel 100% stable at all speeds unlike mixed radials with street rubber..... Flame or debate this, but its true. Good rubber will do more for straight line traction than a LSD. Some peoples fastest 60s come from open diffs to... LSDs are more for turning than straight line, i never understand the reviews on here praising straight line grip with an LSD while the car has run-flats on it, it makes me LOL. If you are serious about your cars performance and are a driving advertisement for your turbo kit get good rubber on your car asap!!! 275 r888s will dead hook from 2nd when warm and throttled right, i guarantee u ...


        And I am with Sticky with his point of the M3s being strong.... They display impressive performance and surprisingly do VERY well here... but I do not get how you can say this is a special turbo upgrade for the n54 vs basic supercharger kit for m3. They are very similar upgrades and the only argument id be able to make is that the m3 upgrade is a more substantial one considering its a high compression N/A motor getting boost really waking it up to another level. IMO, that is a more complex or "superior" upgrade than the kit on the n54. Also you speak of built motor boosted m3s etc, when in the country how many are really built motor and boosted like yours or that red one? MAYBE a few more ?!?!? The products to do so have been there for a while, to compare those to any current upgraded n54 is pointless.... Doesn't make sense... stock bolt on kits vs stock bolt on kits are the comparison to make... same level with the n54 being handicapped in that but that is the comparison. Who gives a F about the built motor s65s beating the $#@! out of n54s ? Its no surprise to anyone with common sense what will happen. I don't get why that's always brought up.

        When Tony's motor is done, than that's a comparison worth discussing. But yes s65 SC > n54 upgraded turbo. All around package and potential is just better on s65. This video IMO proves that, SC s65 is a VERY VERY capable and true street performer from all speeds, all the time.


        I also just don't get how a race can happen, on video, and you're on wg spring boost.racing sc m3s for the first time. Wouldn't you have hit your gas prior and realized you were down 100s of hp? Why even race?? But OP still posted it, didn't make excuses, or make up stories, i just don't get it..... Click here to enlarge