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    • Putting the 2015 BMW F82 M4 7:52 laptime in context against the E92 and E46 M3's

      Sport Auto took the new 2015 F82 M4 out to the Nurburgring and as is customary when testing there recorded a laptime. So how did the car do? They managed a 7 minute and 52 second laptime in favorable conditions. The temperature during the lap attempt was 59 degrees so fairly cool. Additionally, the car had the high performance options available including the DCT transmission, carbon ceramic brakes, and Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires.


      How does this laptime stand up against the E46 and E92 generation? Well, Sport Auto happened to test the E92 M3 GTS and recorded a 7:48. The E46 M3 CSL in Sport Auto's hands as well managed a 7:50. So, yes, technically the E92 M3 and E46 M3 have both posted quicker laptimes on the Nurburgring using the same source.

      M4 fanboys will no doubt cry foul and state those two models are track specials and they are right. In the interest of fairness, Sport Auto in a standard manual E92 M3 lapped in 8:05 and did 8:22 with the standard E46 M3. Now these times are being mentioned to put this M4 lap in context but there will also be E46 M3 fanboys who will point out they did not have the same quality rubber available and E92 M3 fanboys who will say they did not have the same carbon ceramic brakes, or transmission, etc.

      This is not a perfect science. Is the F82 M4 capable? Yes. But as the recent 427 wheel horsepower dyno shows one should expect a quicker laptime with that much power, carbon ceramic brakes, and a sub 3600 pound curb weight. The fact the E92 M3 GTS and E46 M3 CSL both lap quicker with much less power and torque definitely should help put the M4 laptime in perspective. As should the list of Nurburgring laptimes below.

      7.39 min – Ferrari 430 Scuderia – 510 hp, 1402 kg, semi-slicks
      7.40 min – Porsche 911 GT3 (997 mk2) – 435 hp, 1426 kg, semi-slicks
      7.40 min – Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG – 571 hp, 1647 kg, sport-suspension
      7.42 min – Lamborghini Murciιlago LP670-4 SV – 670 hp, 1764 kg, semi-slicks
      7.44 min - Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK (991) - 400 hp, 1497 kg, sport-suspension
      7.44 min - Porsche 911 Turbo S (997.2) - 530 hp, 1569 kg
      7.44 min – Audi R8 5.2 FSI R-tronic – 525 hp, 1660 kg, semi-slicks
      7.44 min – Pagani Zonda S – 555 hp, 1388 kg
      7.46 min - Porsche 911 GT2 (996.1) - 462 hp, 1450 kg
      7.46 min – Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera – 530 hp, 1528 kg, semi-slicks
      7.46 min - Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series (Aero Pack, Dunlop SportMaxxRace M0) - 517 hp, 1748 kg
      7.47 min - Porsche 911 Turbo PDK (997.2) - 500 hp, 1573 kg
      7.47 min – Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996) – 381 hp, 1373 kg, semi-slicks
      7.47 min – Wiesmann GT MF5 – 507 hp, 1421 kg, semi-slicks
      7.47 min – Lamborghini Murciιlago LP640 E-gear – 640 hp, 1805 kg, semi-slicks
      7.47 min – Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano – 620 hp, 1748 kg
      7.48 min – Porsche 911 GT3 (997 mk1) – 415 hp, 1440 kg, semi-slicks
      7.48 min – BMW M3 GTS – 450 hp, 1546 kg, semi-slicks
      7.48 min – Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997 mk1) – 415 hp, 1424 kg, semi-slicks
      7.49 min – Corvette Z06 – 512 hp, 1440 kg
      7.50 min – Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK (997 mk2) – 385 hp, 1450 kg, semi-slicks
      7.50 min – BMW M3 CSL – 360 hp, 1421 kg, semi-slicks
      7.51 min - Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG Black Series - 670 hp, 1880 kg
      7.52 min – Porsche Panamera Turbo S - 550 hp, 2028 kg
      7.52 min – Porsche 911 Turbo (997 mk1) – 2nd attempt, 480 hp, 1580 kg (est.), semi-slicks
      7.52 min – Ford GT – 550 hp, 1599 kg
      7.52 min – Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 – 560 hp, 1590 kg, semi-slicks
      7.52 min – Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear ’03 (sport-suspension) – 500 hp, 1613 kg
      7.52 min – Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren – 626 hp, 1747 kg
      7.54 min – Porsche 911 Turbo (997 mk1) – 1st attempt, 480 hp, 1581 kg, semi-slicks
      7.54 min – Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM AMG – 582 hp, 1678 kg, semi-slicks
      7.55 min – Ferrari F430 F1 – 490 hp, 1493 kg, semi-slicks
      7.56 min – Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale – 425 hp, 1387 kg, semi-slicks
      7.56 min – Ferrari California – 460 hp, 1787 kg
      7.57 min – AC Schnitzer Tension (M6) – 552 hp, 1797 kg, semi-slicks
      7.58 min - Raeder-Ford Focus RS - 363 hp, 1441 kg, semi-slicks
      7.59 min - Audi RS5 (facelift) - 450 hp, 1880 kg
      8.01 min - Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Coupι Performance Package - 487 hp, 1770 kg
      8.02 min - Aston Martin DBS - 517 hp, 1727 kg
      8.03 min - Jaguar XKR-S - 550 hp, 1843 kg
      8.03 min – Aston Martin V8 Vantage ’06 – 385 hp, 1636 kg, semi-slicks
      8.03 min - Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG Performance Package - 557 hp, 1919 kg
      8.04 min - Porsche Boxster S PDK - 315 hp, 1405 kg
      8.04 min – Audi R8 (V8) – 420 hp, 1595 kg, semi-slicks
      8.05 min – Porsche 911 Carrera S (997 mk1) – 355 hp, 1461 kg, sport-suspension
      8.05 min – BMW M3 Coupι (E92) – 420 hp, 1608 kg, semi-slicks
      8.05 min – Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG Black Series – 507 hp, 1745 kg, semi-slicks
      8.05 min - Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 - 525 hp, 1775 kg
      8.06 min - Porsche Cayman R PDK - 330 hp, 1385 kg, semi-slicks (Conti ForceContact)
      8.07 min - Ferrari 550 Maranello - 485 hp, 1724 kg
      8.09 min - Audi TT RS - 340 hp, 1483 kg
      8.09 min - Ferrari 360 Modena - 400 hp, 1464 kg
      8.09 min – Audi RS4 ’06 – 420 hp, 1728 kg, semi-slicks
      8.09 min – BMW M6 – 507 hp, 1761 kg, semi-slicks
      8.10 min - Porsche Cayman R PDK - 330 hp, 1385 kg
      This article was originally published in forum thread: M4 Nurburgring Time: 7:52 started by richpike View original post
      Comments 58 Comments
      1. StinkyM's Avatar
        StinkyM -
        Not to mention, with PCCB, PDK, and Cup tires the 997.2 911 managed a 7:50. Definitely placing the M4 right where it needs to be.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
        The GTS was ran in September, hardly extreme heat in Germany at that time. Put all 3 on the same tires and I am willing to bet your eyes will open. It takes a lot more than some CC brakes to drop a dramatic amount of time. It will take damn near reinventing the wheel. Compare the earliest Z06's 7:49 to the most recent 7:22.6 time. They didn't change HP, they did it revising suspension, tires, aero, and brakes. Add some aftermarket components and you're golden on the M4.

        I also do not understand your argument. You're talking about fanboys where in reality you're the one who is not impressed with the M4's lap times, quoting the GTS and CSL. Let's focus on both of the models. They both cost nearly double of their based models. The GTS is only 4 seconds faster on a higher rated tire. Tire makes all the difference in this equation. What's not to see about that? You can't go and buy a GTS but you can go and buy the M4. The M4 has more than just power in a straighline and clearly the lap times show.
        Was it the exact same weather conditions?

        Does it matter anyway? The GTS with less power beats it. That means it's making up the distance in the turns not the straights.

        I didn't say I wasn't impressed. I said I put in context and it's only fair in that case to mention ALL THE TIMES and not just pick and choose the times that M4 fanboys like, right?

        The fastest BMW around the ring has an S65 and was produced before the M4. Sorry about reality.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        What's going to be your excuse when there is an F82 M4 CSL/GTS track version and it decimates the previous special edition e46 and e92 models? What will all of the fanboys have to complain about then?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Because you have trouble somehow understanding multiple M models were made and ran on the ring by the same source and you don't like that the quickest of them around the ring had an S65? Sorry about that.

        All the times are listed to get a complete picture from all the cars. You're acting like a fanboy.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
        What's going to be your excuse when there is an F82 M4 CSL/GT3 track version and it decimates the previous special edition e46 and e92 models? What will all of the fanboys have to complain about then?
        I'm not making any excuses. I'm not in control of laptimes that Sport Auto achieves or the cars BMW produces.

        I provided the laptimes from each so fanboys wouldn't complain and you are upset for some reason. That is your own issue.

        As I said previously the M4 wouldn't beat the M3 GTS on the roadcourse and it doesn't. So yes, the M4 CSL will need to be produced for that to happen stock for stock.
      1. Nugs's Avatar
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      1. StinkyM's Avatar
        StinkyM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Was it the exact same weather conditions?

        Does it matter anyway? The GTS with less power beats it. That means it's making up the distance in the turns not the straights.

        I didn't say I wasn't impressed. I said I put in context and it's only fair in that case to mention ALL THE TIMES and not just pick and choose the times that M4 fanboys like, right?

        The fastest BMW around the ring has an S65 and was produced before the M4. Sorry about reality.
        Haha a track focused s65 that's how much it takes. Lol you really are so stuck and focused on S65's you can't even see a great achievement.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
        Haha a track focused s65 that's how much it takes. Lol you really are so stuck and focused on S65's you can't even see a great achievement.
        You're so stuck against it you can't see how great it is that a next gen car with even more power can't beat it. It also won't be winning any ALMS championships.

        The S65 is track focused, you're right.

        You're also forgetting it's behind two generations of M3's, not one. It goes to show how amazingly great the E46 M3 CSL and E92 M3 GTS times from YEARS ago were.
      1. B00stGeek's Avatar
        B00stGeek -
        Same driver, same day, same conditions, same tires... The M3/4 will beat the E9x M3 and E46 M3 around any track by a substantial amount of time... With or without CCB.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by B00stGeek Click here to enlarge
        Same driver, same day, same conditions, same tires... The M3/4 will beat the E9x M3 and E46 M3 around any track by a substantial amount of time... With or without CCB.
        Depends what track and what E9X M3 and E46 M3. Also how many laps...
      1. StinkyM's Avatar
        StinkyM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You're so stuck against it you can't see how great it is that a next gen car with even more power can't beat it. It also won't be winning any ALMS championships.

        The S65 is track focused, you're right.

        You're also forgetting it's behind two generations of M3's, not one. It goes to show how amazingly great the E46 M3 CSL and E92 M3 GTS times from YEARS ago were.
        More power is half the story. And last time I checked, the gts went on sale in 2011, sooooooo a far long ago 3 years. Break that number down a wee bit more. 3 years after the e 92 went on sale. All these numbers show, really, is how great the csl was.
      1. StinkyM's Avatar
        StinkyM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Depends what track and what E9X M3 and E46 M3. Also how many laps...
        Again with this limp mode crap. Is Bimmerworld having issues with their n20 and limp mode in their endurance races? Might want to look into that.
      1. B00stGeek's Avatar
        B00stGeek -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Depends what track and what E9X M3 and E46 M3. Also how many laps...
        We can talk no options cars from US dealers. No gts, no csl. The M3/M4 will out handle those cars and with that massive torque, it will pull out of corners so much faster. Longer the track, the bigger the gap.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
        More power is half the story. And last time I checked, the gts went on sale in 2011, sooooooo a far long ago 3 years. Break that number down a wee bit more. 3 years after the e 92 went on sale. All these numbers show, really, is how great the csl was.
        The GTS went on sale in 2011 but the E9X chassis went on sale when?

        Yeah, the CSL is awesome. So is the GTS. The two best track cars BMW M ever produced...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by B00stGeek Click here to enlarge
        We can talk no options cars from US dealers. No gts, no csl. The M3/M4 will out handle those cars and with that massive torque, it will pull out of corners so much faster. Longer the track, the bigger the gap.
        If you use a track to favor a power advantage then you aren't winning with how the car handles, transitions, or brakes but with its motor.

        I think that highlights something in the changing philosophy here.

        Either way, the laptime is what it is.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
        Again with this limp mode crap. Is Bimmerworld having issues with their n20 and limp mode in their endurance races? Might want to look into that.
        Have those cars been stripped out a wee bit and given upgraded cooling?

        Might want to look into a street car discussion.
      1. mpowerct's Avatar
        mpowerct -
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        Yeah, the CSL is awesome. So is the GTS. The two best track cars BMW M ever produced...[/QUOTE]
      1. mpowerct's Avatar
        mpowerct -
        At the end of the day Loaded's Modded E46 M3 Csl destroys all... ESS Charged around 550hp, AP brakes, KW coils ran 7:22 a long time ago in 2007 with Cold Weather and Traffic...... They are all impressive regardless which Gen and continue to show M3s have always been amazing cars and will continue to be....
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mpowerct Click here to enlarge
        At the end of the day Loaded's Modded E46 M3 Csl destroys all... ESS Charged around 550hp, AP brakes, KW coils ran 7:22 a long time ago in 2007 with Cold Weather and Traffic...... They are all impressive regardless which Gen and continue to show M3s have always been amazing cars and will continue to be....
        People forget the overall record is held by an E46... with a blower.

        Good post.
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mpowerct Click here to enlarge
        At the end of the day Loaded's Modded E46 M3 Csl destroys all... ESS Charged around 550hp, AP brakes, KW coils ran 7:22 a long time ago in 2007 with Cold Weather and Traffic...... They are all impressive regardless which Gen and continue to show M3s have always been amazing cars and will continue to be....
        This is very impressive... the GTS is impressive, the e46 CSL is impressive, and the m4 is impressive when you compare it to other cars like the 997 when you doing it in a 4 for sedan that can easily provide enjoyment (assuming the time is similar), safety, and space for a family. I am the farthest thing from a fan boy as I fn love all cars. But the new m4 is impressing me. Sorry if that bothers anyone...

        http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...w-m3-gts-drive

        the gts isnt exactly a fair head to head comparison for me to base my opinions on so I will wait to see if they come out with a similar m4 offering, which to my disliking I bet will be a long shot but when that does come out I will compare that car to the hand-built 2x more expensive, stroked, lightened, track dedicated m3 gts.
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        CCB doesn't help stop the car faster (repeatability/lack of fade, sure.), tires do... the E46 and E92's that ran faster times had MUCH stickier rubber which means better braking, earlier acceleration, higher lateral g's

        it's not rocket science

        throw a set of R888's or something on an M4 and i'll put money down on it lapping faster than the E92 GTS. no other mods.