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    • Procharged Camaro vs MKIII Supra and stock Mclaren MP4-12C vs ESS VT2 625 supercharged DCT E92 BMW M3

      A bunch of action in this video with the first run showing a stout stock bottom end Camaro on meth and race gas with an F1A Procharger go up against a built motor MKIII Supra on E85 and 33 psi of boost courtesy of a Precision 6766 turbocharger. The cars are pretty evenly matched and somewhere in the 8XX wheel horsepower range. The second set of runs show a stock MP4-12C against an ESS VT2 supercharged DCT E92 M3.


      The Camaro and Supra are both in a different league regarding roll on performance than the MP4-12C and the supercharged M3. That said, the MP4-12C leaves the M3 in its dust. It really is not even a race. The McLaren is stock with the 616 horsepower factory map but even when the M3 is given the hit it's still easily destroyed.

      Why the M3 owner would show up on pump gas without meth injection and a high boost pulley is anyone's guess. It just led to being embarrassed by bus lengths on video. If that M3 belonged to this writer that supercharger kit would already be off the car and listed for sale.


      Mod List:

      Mr.TORQ Camaro (Built & Tuned by LG Motorsports):
      - F1A Procharger
      - Stock Bottom End
      - H/C/I/E
      - Race Gas/Meth
      - M6

      Sergio's MKIII Supra (Built & Tuned by DLT Performance):
      - 6766 Single Turbo (33 psi)
      - E85
      - T56 Transmission
      - ~860whp

      Infamous Mclaren MP4-12C:
      - Bone-Stock
      - 616hp

      ESS Supercharged e92 M3:
      - ESS VT-625 Supercharger
      - Exhaust
      - DCT
      - Meth (not used)
      - 570whp
      This article was originally published in forum thread: ***VIDEO***Procharged Camaro vs Mk3 7M Supra & Mclaren MP4-12C vs Supercharged BMW M3 started by AWD75 View original post
      Comments 53 Comments
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Doesn't matter what kit the E9x M3 is running, it's gonna require a built motor/low compression/high boost setup to make it competitive
        No it isn't and it sure does matter what compressor a car is running, what tuning, what boost, and what octane wtf are you talking about.
      1. 135pats's Avatar
        135pats -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No it isn't and it sure does matter what compressor a car is running, what tuning, what boost, and what octane wtf are you talking about.
        You know the platform better than I, but I’d imagine it would require a pretty heroic power advantage to stand a chance up top. The E9x chassis is just not about that supercar life from an aerodynamic standpoint, weight, downforce, you name it. The only potential advantage an M3 could have is power, if as you noted it’s a built motor setup.

        I wouldn’t even consider an N54 powered car against the Mclaren. Not in the same ballpark.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 135pats Click here to enlarge
        You know the platform better than I, but I’d imagine it would require a pretty heroic power advantage to stand a chance up top. The E9x chassis is just not about that supercar life from an aerodynamic standpoint, weight, downforce, you name it. The only potential advantage an M3 could have is power, if as you noted it’s a built motor setup.

        I wouldn’t even consider an N54 powered car against the Mclaren. Not in the same ballpark.
        The S65 is built for the top end so that's why a person mentioning low end torque in a top end race that is all about power is idiotic anyway especially if you starting at the right RPM and gear. I've never seen the N54's 'torque' do anything against a supercharged M3 in a roll on.

        The problem here isn't enough power. A pump gas blower on low boost without meth isn't going to cut it, period. That car isn't trapping 130 and considering a stock McLaren can do about 133... well.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No it isn't and it sure does matter what compressor a car is running, what tuning, what boost, and what octane wtf are you talking about.
        Can you show me a video showing a stock motor, supercharged E9x M3 beating an MP4?

        Only one I've seen is an M5Board video of another VT2-625 getting dusted by an MP4, and then Drew's VT3-750 beating an MP4. STOCK MP4s (Not Software Update) are putting down 6.6 60-130s, "record" stock motor kits are running 6.8+
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Can you show me a video showing a stock motor, supercharged E9x M3 beating an MP4?
        Hold on me let me choose from one of the 50000 videos of that run we have to choose from.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Only one I've seen is an M5Board video of another VT2-625 getting dusted by an MP4, and then Drew's VT3-750 beating an MP4. STOCK MP4s (Not Software Update) are putting down 6.6 60-130s, "record" stock motor kits are running 6.8+
        That .2 is enough to show you a stock internal M3 can make it a race if anything. Higher boost, a bigger blower, meth, and race gas wouldn't make it better? Really? What about the turbo kit? Your blanket statement was inaccurate, period.

        This particular M3 is weak and the MP4 simply dusted it. It is what it is.
      1. SexiPYm3's Avatar
        SexiPYm3 -
        Great, another slow ass e9x m3 gets walked. lmao. i kid i kid
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Those ESS VT2's are more impressive on dynos.

        If it is 570 whp on pump then I am a monkey's ... Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
        If it is 570 whp on pump then I am a monkey's ... Click here to enlarge
        It can probably be done but why wouldn't you bring your best to this race?
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        I would like to see the 12c versus the HOT Supra and god-fugly-Camaro go around some bends, then we may see some real important performance figures rather than 850>750>625>550 etc
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
        I would like to see the 12c versus the HOT Supra and god-fugly-Camaro go around some bends, then we may see some real important performance figures rather than 850>750>625>550 etc
        This is a power competition here. We all know how the MP4-12C will do on the roadcourse compared to these cars. If they were going to compare that they would be a track day.
      1. DevourS65's Avatar
        DevourS65 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Yeah a ST 335 is the answer, sure.
        Ok time to get FFTEC build me the top mount manifold. Was contemplating this for a while now... Slap on a GTX 35R... Just worried if my DCT box will hold... Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DevourS65 Click here to enlarge
        Ok time to get FFTEC build me the top mount manifold. Was contemplating this for a while now... Slap on a GTX 35R... Just worried if my DCT box will hold... Click here to enlarge
        Have fun finding out.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DevourS65 Click here to enlarge
        Ok time to get FFTEC build me the top mount manifold. Was contemplating this for a while now... Slap on a GTX 35R... Just worried if my DCT box will hold... Click here to enlarge
        And that the pistons won't get scorched because you're dependent on meth for a fueling bridge
      1. DevourS65's Avatar
        DevourS65 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        And that the pistons won't get scorched because you're dependent on meth for a fueling bridge
        You mean even with full e85?
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DevourS65 Click here to enlarge
        You mean even with full e85?
        It doesn't matter what fuel you're using if you're running maxed fuel trims... E85 will/could only make the problem worse since it requires an additional ~30% volume then petroleum based fuels
      1. mm28's Avatar
        mm28 -
        maybe that M3 is carrying 5 adults roughly 1000lbs of extra weight? it looked like a 600hp vs 500hp pull......Click here to enlargeClick here to enlargeClick here to enlarge
      1. Ak335i's Avatar
        Ak335i -
        very nice.
      1. AWD75's Avatar
        AWD75 -
        If anyone know any other ESS M3 that is local and willing to run, just hmu. Maybe this particular M3 is weak, idk. Its built and tuned by FQ Motorsports in TX. They even have a dyno sheet in their fb page.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AWD75 Click here to enlarge
        If anyone know any other ESS M3 that is local and willing to run, just hmu. Maybe this particular M3 is weak, idk. Its built and tuned by FQ Motorsports in TX. They even have a dyno sheet in their fb page.
        Like most ESS supercharger kit owners he'll get more enjoyment from posting dyno sheets than how the car performs in the real world.

        Too soon?
      1. mm28's Avatar
        mm28 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Like most ESS supercharger kit owners he'll get more enjoyment from posting dyno sheets than how the car performs in the real world.

        Too soon?

        ESS jokes asides, horse power is horse power right?? for a moment there i thought i was watching one of those good old 800whp supra videos from back in the days where the next fastest competition on the freeway was praying for 600whp....

        is the E9x M3's gearing that bad for high speed? The engine sure has the revs.