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    • Gintani's E63 M6 supercharged S85 V10 versus Renntech tuned 2013 W212 E63 AMG M157 V8

      This E63 is running very strong and Renntech clearly has a great M157 V8 tune. The M6 you see here has the Gintani supercharger package based around a Vortech blower. This car showed over 700 horsepower at the wheels on a Dynojet last month so it is a powerful car and no slouch. The E63 is not making as much power but has a torque advantage and the MCT transmission sure looks like it does a better job holding boost between shifts than the M6 SMG-III.


      The race is fairly close but the E63 opens a bit of a lead on the shifts. The M6 does not close the gap before the end of the race and also does not look to be pulling up top.

      A longer race might tell a different story but this E63 is running very well. From pulling a 997.2 Turbo to a 458 Italia it Renntech has a strong running car here.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: Gintani's E63 M6 supercharged S85 V10 versus Renntech tuned 2013 W212 E63 AMG M157 V8 started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
        Yea, i hope that swap works, would be super interesting, haven't heard anything of it in a while..At these power levels, racing cars with DCT's at the same power level, unless there making alot more power, the SMG is gonna hold them back.
        Absolutely., That transmission is showing it rules performance right now when even a lower powered car can beat a higher powered car based on shift speed alone.

        With equal power the DCT is going to win every time. Against manuals it will be ugly.
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Absolutely., That transmission is showing it rules performance right now when even a lower powered car can beat a higher powered car based on shift speed alone.

        With equal power the DCT is going to win every time. Against manuals it will be ugly.
        Still interests me that comparing how the M6 did aganist the 640WHP F10 M5 with DCT and this E63 with MCT; The shifts in this video dont seem as dramatically bad either, but the M6 does better. I thought if the E63 did so well, the F10 was gonna give it the business with the DCT. Not that it did bad being 60WHP down, but comparing it to the E63's power and run aganist the M6.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig9e...utu.be&t=8m15s
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Here let me help you:

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        Sticky -
        I don't know why it does so much better in that video. I can't quite explain it. I do know I have a new article for tomorrow though. Did not see that video yet.
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        Sticky -
        Man W T F did they guy put so much fluff in that vid. Just edit to show the run. I almost feel like doing it myself because there is so much damn time wasted.
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I don't know why it does so much better in that video. I can't quite explain it. I do know I have a new article for tomorrow though. Did not see that video yet.
        I tried adding the video with a 8 min+ mark cuz its so damn long, didnt link it well...

        Yea, either the E63 has more power then its stating or the M5 doesnt have as much as he is stating. Or the M6 swapped a DCT real in quick. But the shifts look alot faster on the M6, not much as a dramatic loss as i was saying previously.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
        Yea, either the E63 has more power then its stating or the M5 doesnt have as much as he is stating.
        It doesn't have to be one or the other. The M5 is likely not making quite as much as it is claiming but there is no reason to doubt the E63 based on its results. It's quite possible the M6 had a slipping clutch or some other issue.

        If my phone wasn't bricked I'd ask Gintani about it so we could find out what's up. Maybe they'll log in today @Sales@Gintani.com
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Well they logged in and read this but didn't comment... hmm.
      1. George Smooth's Avatar
        George Smooth -
        The V10 SMG has the worst 3rd and 4th gears. They just not stacked close enough in terms of rpm drop vs it's 4th to 5th and 5th to 6th which are killer gears. So either the power made lower in the rev range is low when you thinking of max power since the power curve is so peaky or the car is being revved past the stock limiter which makes the SMG shift much slower unless Gintani has that figured out.
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It doesn't have to be one or the other. The M5 is likely not making quite as much as it is claiming but there is no reason to doubt the E63 based on its results. It's quite possible the M6 had a slipping clutch or some other issue.

        If my phone wasn't bricked I'd ask Gintani about it so we could find out what's up. Maybe they'll log in today @Sales@Gintani.com
        The same E63 pulled on that m5 even after he started atleast a car length ahead and took the hit.

        You can still see the SMG lose ground between shifts which is expected against the DCT. My guess is the m6 vs E63 looked even while accelerating in gear so when it shifted it lost ground and was noticeable since they were even before the shift

        Against the m5 you can see the gintani m6 is faster right off the bat before they change gears so when it does shift while losing ground it still wasnt enough for the m5 to make the difference because the m6 was considerably faster in gear.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        The same E63 pulled on that m5 even after he started atleast a car length ahead and took the hit.
        Yes the E63 ran strong. But the M6 ran weaker against the E63 than it did against the F1 M5 if we compare in that manner. Regardless, it SHOULD pull as it has more top end strength so clearly the car needs some work in the trans area to maximize its potential. As we saw a less powerful M3 pull the E63 relatively quickly and easily that should tell you all you need to know about that.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        You can still see the SMG lose ground between shifts which is expected against the DCT. My guess is the m6 vs E63 looked even while accelerating in gear so when it shifted it lost ground and was noticeable since they were even before the shift
        I think this is an accurate assessment.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        Against the m5 you can see the gintani m6 is faster right off the bat before they change gears so when it does shift while losing ground it still wasnt enough for the m5 to make the difference because the m6 was considerably faster in gear.
        The M6 is faster than both in gear. It's damn fast it's just a shame the SMG-III seems to be a liability instead of an asset. There may be torque limiting issues they are running into. I really wish they would just tell us so we don't have to guess.