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    • Is 480 horsepower stock out of the 4.0 liter M177 turbo V8 enough for the 2015 W205 C63 AMG?

      480 horsepower is certainly a good amount of power and that is what Autoweek is reporting the upcoming 2015 W205 C63 AMG will put out from its twin turbo 4.0 liter M177 V8 motor. That is more power than the previous generation W204 C63 AMG had stock at 451 but about equal to its 481 horsepower with the optional P31 Performance Package. Let's say the new C63 matches the P31 W204 and has 481 horsepower. Is that enough?


      To hold off the upcoming F80 M3 and F82 M4's 425 horsepower S55B30 motor it is likely just enough. Keep in mind the W204 C63 was rated at 37 horsepower more than the E92 M3 and had a larger motor but due to the M3 being lighter and having an optional dual clutch transmission it was a driver's race with similar acceleration figures.

      It looks like history is set to repeat itself as the W205 C63 AMG will not have a dual clutch transmission option and is likely to be heavier than the 3306 pound M3/M4. The W205 C-Class is lighter than the W204 but we will have to see how much weight Mercedes is really able to cut from the C63 AMG. Even getting into the 3600 pound range sounds optimistic.

      This next generation battle is shaping up similarly to the previous generation with the C63 having the bigger motor and being heavier whereas the M3 is lighter and relies on efficiency technology such as its dual clutch transmission. The wildcard is another performance package from Mercedes which BenzBoost already confirmed. BMW this time around with a turbo motor though will be able to respond with a performance package of their own as the do on the M5/M6 models.

      Brute force versus efficiency? Something in the middle? We shall have to wait and see.

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      This article was originally published in forum thread: 2015 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG may pack 480 hp Twin-turbo 4.0-liter sedan to debut at Paris Motor Show; no 4Matic option for now started by TT C6 View original post
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      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        Good.
        More sites should let adults talk like adults.
        Too much censorship and political correctness in forums.
        I'm still not convinved you fit into the "adult" category based on your posts, but at least you managed to post without reminding me of Mel Gibson. BRAVO!!
      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        I'm still not convinved you fit into the "adult" category based on your posts, but at least you managed to post without reminding me of Mel Gibson. BRAVO!!
        Geez, thanks.
        Because, as you know, your approval means SO much to me.

        Ironic you would take a cheap shot like that on a GERMAN car site.
      1. Yogujuhere's Avatar
        Yogujuhere -
        Such a huge annoyance if there will be no AWD for it. Why in the world they would decide not use the AWD is truly beyond me. The %age of AMG's in the North East being sold as 4matic is amazing... how can they not see the demand. So sad.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        Such a huge annoyance if there will be no AWD for it. Why in the world they would decide not use the AWD is truly beyond me. The %age of AMG's in the North East being sold as 4matic is amazing... how can they not see the demand. So sad.
        Some people prefer to drive their cars rather than be along for the ride.
      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Some people prefer to drive their cars rather than be along for the ride.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Some people prefer to drive their cars rather than be along for the ride.
        So says they kid living in CALIFORNIA who never sees snow or slick roads. (Roll eyes)
        So, 911 Turbo, GTR, and Twin Turbo Gallardos are for pu$$ies?
        OK, pal.

        Logic like this means as a sport bike rider, and racer, I can say that all you car guys are a joke because it takes 10 times the talent and skill pilot a bike than it does to sit in a car seat and turn a wheel.
        Sure, I want my road course cars and weekend toys to remain RWD. I love overteer. But, a daily driven luxury sedan on STREET tires that has to deal with varied road conditions should have PERFORMANCE tuned AWD.
        End of conversation.
      1. johnnyblaze's Avatar
        johnnyblaze -
        Now to steer the ship back on topic....


        I love the MB brand. It has never wronged me (yet). I've modded 2 of my AMGs to great success (562whp E55 and 550whp C63) to what I wanted out of them. I will wait until 2016 and compare my options of the E63S and or the C63. By then I should know what to avoid in both models.

        I do not mind missing out on a DCT transmission and I know there are both pros and cons to that. I know AMG has a reason for everything in the big picture.

        The all wheel drive is debatable for me. I would love to have it but I've dealt with traction issues in all my vehicles I've been driving since I've been modding (all have been RWD). And i've also seen the limitations (torque limiters) in the AWD models (E63S)

        For me the biggest win so far is the addition of the turbo to these motors. I cant wait to get my hands on either one right now...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        So says they kid living in CALIFORNIA who never sees snow or slick roads. (Roll eyes)
        So, 911 Turbo, GTR, and Twin Turbo Gallardos are for pu$$ies?
        OK, pal.

        Logic like this means as a sport bike rider, and racer, I can say that all you car guys are a joke because it takes 10 times the talent and skill pilot a bike than it does to sit in a car seat and turn a wheel.
        Sure, I want my road course cars and weekend toys to remain RWD. I love overteer. But, a daily driven luxury sedan on STREET tires that has to deal with varied road conditions should have PERFORMANCE tuned AWD.
        End of conversation.
        Cool story bro.
      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Cool story bro.
        Sarcasm is the white flag of defeat.
        Duly noted.

        Censoring someone on the internet is kinda lame.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        Censoring someone on the internet is kinda lame.
        Nobody is censoring you last I checked? Acting like an idiot and blaming is others for not being able to continue being an idiot is lame.
      1. wreckz's Avatar
        wreckz -
        I see you've been drinking to much coffee you B1TCH $#@! Attachment 36187
        chill the $#@! out Attachment 36188
      1. Yogujuhere's Avatar
        Yogujuhere -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Some people prefer to drive their cars rather than be along for the ride.
        Thats funny you mention that. I would imagine 99% of C63 drivers aren't really trying to drift around corners on a track or side street. Canyon runs are fun, believe me I know...except when you fall off the canyon.

        I drive a RWD Turbo 900WHP IS300 with every suspension upgrade you can possibly think of. I know exactly what RWD power feels like and "how to drive it". I can also tell you, with that RWD car, I can't move more than 6 inches in 1inch of snow should it happen to snow. I've gone out for a drive when its perfectly clear out... park, then come outside to see there's an inch of snow on the ground and now I'm stranded. And this is not just limited to snow. I also have to soft pedal every-time it rains... this is even on all season tires.

        What I'm looking for is a Daily driver here. I'm not looking for a side car that I drive on the weekends... I already have that. I went looking for a DD that could move relatively quickly and be able to drive in 95% of weather conditions. Have you driven these 4matic AMG's yet? I also drive my cousins E63 S-4Matic all the time. It handles amazing. No burn outs at every light when you want to hit it. Adjustable suspension settings which correlate with wheel slip as well. Driving that car, you can be at the limit and then some... and it'll still forgive you. Perfect for a daily driver whilst maintaining a VERY engaging feel. Being at the limit with a RWD car on the STREET... is a different story.

        I've driven a LOT of fast cars. Power to power, I'd never pick RWD over AWD if I'm looking to go fast... even around a track. One false step in a RWD car and you're dunzo. AWD is so much more predictable and much easier to drive fast.

        Again, for an engaging feel... you're really not losing a lot going AWD. You can ask any modified EVO or GTR driver about that and hopefully you'll understand... but what you're gaining, is so much more in safety and practicality.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        I can also tell you, with that RWD car, I can't move more than 6 inches in 1inch of snow should it happen to snow.
        You need to go out in the snow to figure this out?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        park, then come outside to see there's an inch of snow on the ground and now I'm stranded.
        Why would you only have one car then that would leave you stranded? Shouldn't you know this before you build a 900 whp IS300? It doesn't change anything regarding the fun factor, weight, and balance elements though.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        What I'm looking for is a Daily driver here. I'm not looking for a side car that I drive on the weekends... I already have that. I went looking for a DD that could move relatively quickly and be able to drive in 95% of weather conditions. Have you driven these 4matic AMG's yet? I also drive my cousins E63 S-4Matic all the time. It handles amazing. No burn outs at every light when you want to hit it. Adjustable suspension settings which correlate with wheel slip as well. Driving that car, you can be at the limit and then some... and it'll still forgive you. Perfect for a daily driver whilst maintaining a VERY engaging feel. Being at the limit with a RWD car on the STREET... is a different story.
        Of course it handles well. Is it as fun as say a 911 GT3? Nope.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        I'd never pick RWD over AWD if I'm looking to go fast... even around a track. One false step in a RWD car and you're dunzo. AWD is so much more predictable and much easier to drive fast.
        If you like under steer and safety nets by all means AWD seems to be for you. Makes me wonder why you have a RWD car to begin with.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        Again, for an engaging feel... you're really not losing a lot going AWD. You can ask any modified EVO or GTR driver about that and hopefully you'll understand... but what you're gaining, is so much more in safety and practicality.
        Why would I need to ask anyone else what I like? Safety, practicality, under steer, more weight on the nose, higher drivetrain losses, inability to power on oversteer, and simply less fun.

        You are a 911 turbo guy. I'm a GT3 guy. Good thing there are plenty of options for different tastes.
      1. Yogujuhere's Avatar
        Yogujuhere -
        You need to go out in the snow to figure this out?

        LOL, I was simply giving you an example. Its happened.


        Why would you only have one car then that would leave you stranded? Shouldn't you know this before you build a 900 whp IS300? It doesn't change anything regarding the fun factor, weight, and balance elements though.

        I have a '14 E350 4Matic daily driver that I'm looking to upgrade from. Thats not to say that I don't take my IS out during some days in the winter. Keep it garaged 4 months out of the year? What a waste of good pastrami.



        Of course it handles well. Is it as fun as say a 911 GT3? Nope.
        If you like under steer and safety nets by all means AWD seems to be for you. Makes me wonder why you have a RWD car to begin with.

        Makes me wonder why you're buying a Benz lol.



        Why would I need to ask anyone else what I like? Safety, practicality, under steer, more weight on the nose, higher drivetrain losses, inability to power on oversteer, and simply less fun.

        Its a pretty ridiculous statement inferring that since its RWD it has to be more fun. LP570's, RS4's and 6's, EVO's, all clearly are very engaging/fun cars.

        Fun is so relative... really....

        What are you equating your fun factor with? Being at the limit and slipping out? I can understand that. By the way, the E63 S-4Matic does that all day when you get to its limits. It oversteers lol, not under... and you can also power through. I also mentioned the adjustable suspension settings which change slip as well.
        Drivetrain losses of AWD? You're really talking like 5%. What is that, like 25hp lol? Peanuts.

        If you feel the need for more power, an easy couple of thousand $ and you have a tune with an extra 150hp on this motor. Piece of cake.

        99% of driving for people with these Benz's are NOT at the limit unless this is a weekend dedicated fast car. You do realize this, right?

        Take a second and understand....In my situation, I have a monster side car. I'm looking for another car that's much more streetable for daily duty. I look to Benz, Audi and BMW to fill this void. Luxury and Speed in a 4 door fast car. Also remember, 99% of driving on the street (even if you have a ferrari or a gt2) is not going to be at the limit. You don't drift on turns when getting groceries or taking wifey out to dinner. My daily driving constitutes seldom "at the limit " driving. By at the limit, I mean breaking wheels loose. I like having the power on tap and moving like a bat out of hell when I want to. Do I put the gas all the way down when I have some open curvy roads? Absolutely.
        By all means, I get what kind of driving you like. I like that style of driving too, but there's a time and a place. On the street with RWD? You're gambling. One day that tree on the side of the road might not agree with you. For me, this particular car's drivetrain being RWD is a let down.

        You are a 911 turbo guy. I'm a GT3 guy. Good thing there are plenty of options for different tastes.

        If I was in the market for a side/sunday car, the GT3RS is what I would've picked. If i'm in the market for a daily, I wouldn't pick either. I'd be looking for a Benz or an Audi. I don't have a problem at all with your preference for a "fun car" assuming its being used as your side car or your climate permits it for daily use. My only issue is that this really isn't the perfect DD car that I was hoping it would be. ESPECIALLY for the north east. I wish AMG would've continued the trend of implementing 4matic on all their AMG cars as they've been doing with much newly added success. If you're looking for the most engaging car, why pick a benz? Why not pick the M3 or GT3 Click here to enlarge .
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        I have a '14 E350 4Matic daily driver that I'm looking to upgrade from.
        Then I don't see the problem.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        Makes me wonder why you're buying a Benz lol.
        I'm not...

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        Its a pretty ridiculous statement inferring that since its RWD it has to be more fun. LP570's, RS4's and 6's, EVO's, all clearly are very engaging/fun cars.
        I'm not saying they aren't engaging but the most engaging Gallardo is the Balboni edition which ditches the RWD. It's the car the Lamborghini test driver said he wanted to build, what does that tell you?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        It oversteers lol, not under... and you can also power through. I also mentioned the adjustable suspension settings which change slip as well. Drivetrain losses of AWD? You're really talking like 5%. What is that, like 25hp lol? Peanuts.
        Mercedes did a great job with the 4Matic but you're still going to experience understeer and not be able to whip the tail out the same way as you would a rear wheel drive car. It also is going to have more weight on the nose. It's just how it is.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        99% of driving for people with these Benz's are NOT at the limit unless this is a weekend dedicated fast car. You do realize this, right?
        You realize this doesn't change any of my points? Like I said there are different options for different preferences.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        Take a second and understand....In my situation, I have a monster side car. I'm looking for another car that's much more streetable for daily duty. I look to Benz, Audi and BMW to fill this void. Luxury and Speed in a 4 door fast car. Also remember, 99% of driving on the street (even if you have a ferrari or a gt2) is not going to be at the limit. You don't drift on turns when getting groceries or taking wifey out to dinner. My daily driving constitutes seldom "at the limit " driving. By at the limit, I mean breaking wheels loose. I like having the power on tap and moving like a bat out of hell when I want to. Do I put the gas all the way down when I have some open curvy roads? Absolutely. By all means, I get what kind of driving you like. I like that style of driving too, but there's a time and a place. On the street with RWD? You're gambling. One day that tree on the side of the road might not agree with you. For me, this particular car's drivetrain being RWD is a let down.
        I'm not telling you not to buy it. It's a great car, go right ahead.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        If I was in the market for a side/sunday car, the GT3RS is what I would've picked. If i'm in the market for a daily, I wouldn't pick either. I'd be looking for a Benz or an Audi. I don't have a problem at all with your preference for a "fun car" assuming its being used as your side car or your climate permits it for daily use. My only issue is that this really isn't the perfect DD car that I was hoping it would be. ESPECIALLY for the north east. I wish AMG would've continued the trend of implementing 4matic on all their AMG cars as they've been doing with much newly added success. If you're looking for the most engaging car, why pick a benz? Why not pick the M3 or GT3
        I did. I have an M3.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Ha, did TT C6 make a fake account?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Feels like it a bit.
      1. Yogujuhere's Avatar
        Yogujuhere -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        Ha, did TT C6 make a fake account?
        Lol, what? Nobody posing as someone else here...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yogujuhere Click here to enlarge
        Lol, what? Nobody posing as someone else here...
        I believe you.