• What happens when you line up a W212 E63 AMG S, M6 Gran Coupe, and Jaguar XFR-S for a drag rice? Watch and find out

      Here are three of the most powerful luxury sport sedans off the showroom floor one can purchase today. Now you may be asking, where is the Audi RS6/RS7 in this comparison? Oddly enough its omission makes sense as the E63 AMG S is only available for sale in the United Kingdom as a rear wheel drive car. This is in stark contrast to how the W212 E63 AMG is sold in the United States which is only in 4Matic all wheel drive form whether it be the standard E63 or the S model.

      Hey, you make sense of it. All the sedans in the video are rear wheel drive so it is somewhat of a fair game in a drag race. If you want to skip straight to the race go to the 12:55 mark in the video below.

      Here is how the cars stack up on paper:

      E6 AMG S: 585 horsepower 5.5 liter twin turbo M157 V8, MCT automatic, 4067 pound curb weight
      M6 Grand Coupe: 560 horsepower 4.4 liter twin turbo S63TU V8, DCT dual clutch, 4299 pound curb weight
      Jaguar XFR-S: 550 horsepower 5.0 liter supercharged V8, ZF automatic, 4380 pound curb weight

      So the Jaguar is the heaviest and the least powerful. The weight for the E63 AMG S is hard to believe as that is roughly a 400 pound difference between it and the 4Matic 63 AMG S models tested in the United States. We do not put too much faith in Drive's weight testing procedures as they are likely quoting given weights.

      Now Chris Harris takes these all out on the track but it's wet and provides no lap times so it amounts to nothing more than him babbling on and on about how they drift and feel. He actually even calls this almost irrelevant himself making for the most accurate piece of performance analysis he has ever done.

      The M6 just flat out pulls away from the others. It's the fastest car in the comparison and that is impressive considering the raw muscle of the E63 AMG S M157 is routed to the rear wheels and it isn't carrying the 4Matic weight. The Jaguar lags a bit behind the other two but is obviously quite quick itself.

      What were the times and trap speeds? Well, Drive did not provide them but at least provided some acceleration figures:


      This is a victory due to the M6's transmission and of course its use in combination with the excellent S63TU V8. If you are not a believer in the dual clutch performance advantage and think Mercedes AMG has BMW beat in performance simply due to more displacement, guess again.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: E63 AMG S vs M6 gran coupe vs Jag XFRS started by 5soko View original post
      Comments 54 Comments
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
        They do a second drag race at 14:33... This time the AMG S gets a jump and the M6 reels it in, really shows the power of the M6 in that drag race!

        http://youtu.be/7-yCupxxErM?t=14m32s

        Benz has to do something with there tranny choices, or upgrade there DCT to handle the tq and power of these engines. Hell, even a SMG tranny shifts faster then MCT and thats 8 yr old tech!
        The BMW shift time quote for the SMG III isn't the whole story. It only tells the time of the actual gear change but doesn't take into account the time for the clutch being let in , then the gear change, and finally the clutch out. Which is total time of torque loss which should really be counted. The m5/m6 have been tested with equipment to have a total shift time of almost 200 milliseconds.

        The mct in the AMG's has a TOTAL shift time In under 100 milliseconds. I've had a lot of seat time in my cousins bolt on m6 and extended seat time in my fathers murcielago with e gear. The MCT shifts considerably quicker then both. In both the SMG and E gear you feel the loss of torque as your head goes forward and then back as torque comes back. This feeling is almost non existinct in the MCT. I need to give you a ride in it to feel it and now with the weistec valve body/ TCU tune I did it's crazy fast.
        @Sticky also look at other recent test you've put up like the motor trend test. The Cls 63 and Audi rs7 both did 0-100 in 8 flat quicker then the BMW here. The Benz was .2 slower to 60 then the rs7 and still made it to 100 in the same time while out trapping it by 2 mph showing it's faster uptop. The 4matic has shown to be faster the rwd Benz can't put that torque down to the pavement with 285's
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        The Cls 63 and Audi rs7 both did 0-100 in 8 flat quicker then the BMW here.
        Because of all wheel drive.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        The 4matic has shown to be faster the rwd Benz can't put that torque down to the pavement with 285's
        Quicker, not faster. From a roll the rear wheel drive car should win every time.
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Because of all wheel drive.



        Quicker, not faster. From a roll the rear wheel drive car should win every time.
        100% correct just providing something else to think about. I'd love to see the rs7 vs m6 vs 4matic e63 s go at it quarter mile and roll on racing. I wouldn't count out the Benz or Audi they have monster power but if the m6 had the competition package as it should id bet my money on it winning the roll race.
        surprisingly it looks like the Audi 4.0 has the best bolt on potential.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        100% correct just providing something else to think about. I'd love to see the rs7 vs m6 vs 4matic e63 s go at it quarter mile and roll on racing. I wouldn't count out the Benz or Audi they have monster power but if the m6 had the competition package as it should id bet my money on it winning the roll race.
        surprisingly it looks like the Audi 4.0 has the best bolt on potential.
        Honestly for the M6 to stand a chance it needs drag rubber in the quarter mile scenario.

        The M6 should win the roll race especially with the competition package. So even though the M6 doesn't have all wheel drive thanks to that it's the only one that has a dual clutch.

        Well, then there is also the Panamera. Porsche should be commended for offering PDK, a twin turbo V8, and all wheel drive.

        Agreed, looks like the Audi motor is strongest tune only. Heh, wasn't someone saying how the 4.0's sucked because of their small displacement? Funny how that worked out.
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        The BMW shift time quote for the SMG III isn't the whole story. It only tells the time of the actual gear change but doesn't take into account the time for the clutch being let in , then the gear change, and finally the clutch out. Which is total time of torque loss which should really be counted. The m5/m6 have been tested with equipment to have a total shift time of almost 200 milliseconds.

        The mct in the AMG's has a TOTAL shift time In under 100 milliseconds. I've had a lot of seat time in my cousins bolt on m6 and extended seat time in my fathers murcielago with e gear. The MCT shifts considerably quicker then both. In both the SMG and E gear you feel the loss of torque as your head goes forward and then back as torque comes back. This feeling is almost non existinct in the MCT. I need to give you a ride in it to feel it and now with the weistec valve body/ TCU tune I did it's crazy fast.
        @Sticky also look at other recent test you've put up like the motor trend test. The Cls 63 and Audi rs7 both did 0-100 in 8 flat quicker then the BMW here. The Benz was .2 slower to 60 then the rs7 and still made it to 100 in the same time while out trapping it by 2 mph showing it's faster uptop. The 4matic has shown to be faster the rwd Benz can't put that torque down to the pavement with 285's
        Did you drive the SMg in S6 with traction off? Honestly my car felt as quick shift wise, but at those shift speeds its hard to tell if it felt really faster then the MCT.. 1 thing i didnt like about the MCT was that it was a lil slow to my upshift and downshift commands, not as connected as the SMG. Its possible that the slow response to my shift command and the car executing it made me think it was slower, not sure.
        I havent seen any data on the SMG3 showing that or the MCT showing the same data, i just remember reading that MCT was rated at 100MS.

        But once this weather clears, i want shotgun in your 63 to feel how that MCT is.. Is your MCT tuned?

        Non the less, the SMG is 8 yrs old tech like i said and i didnt feel like the MCT was more better in performance wise, maybe i didnt have enough seat time, who knows.
        Its a shame non the less to go into this next gen and not have DCT for this car, and its rival, the M3 has had it in now 2 gens of its cars. Even the a45 has DCT lol. As much as i love my SMG, and driven some awesomely quick autos, the M3/M5 DCT its juss so simple, seamless and quick through the shifts. Interestingly enough, the M5 DCT i drove felt a bit slower then the M3's DCT, maybe the extra tq or weight of the M5 has slowed down its shift a bit to cope with it.

        If i had to get rid of my M5 down the road, it looks like it would be for this C63 V8 turbo coming up spec wise compared to the M3, but of course, driving and butt dyno is the final decision between the two.If this C63 had DCT it would be a done deal lol.
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
        Did you drive the SMg in S6 with traction off? Honestly my car felt as quick shift wise, but at those shift speeds its hard to tell if it felt really faster then the MCT.. 1 thing i didnt like about the MCT was that it was a lil slow to my upshift and downshift commands, not as connected as the SMG. Its possible that the slow response to my shift command and the car executing it made me think it was slower, not sure.
        I havent seen any data on the SMG3 showing that or the MCT showing the same data, i just remember reading that MCT was rated at 100MS.

        But once this weather clears, i want shotgun in your 63 to feel how that MCT is.. Is your MCT tuned?

        Non the less, the SMG is 8 yrs old tech like i said and i didnt feel like the MCT was more better in performance wise, maybe i didnt have enough seat time, who knows.
        Its a shame non the less to go into this next gen and not have DCT for this car, and its rival, the M3 has had it in now 2 gens of its cars. Even the a45 has DCT lol. As much as i love my SMG, and driven some awesomely quick autos, the M3/M5 DCT its juss so simple, seamless and quick through the shifts. Interestingly enough, the M5 DCT i drove felt a bit slower then the M3's DCT, maybe the extra tq or weight of the M5 has slowed down its shift a bit to cope with it.

        If i had to get rid of my M5 down the road, it looks like it would be for this C63 V8 turbo coming up spec wise compared to the M3, but of course, driving and butt dyno is the final decision between the two.If this C63 had DCT it would be a done deal lol.
        Yes Def had it in traction off in M6 mode with all bars filled up instead of the last one missing with traction control left on ! He had a vert but it was bad ass full meisterschaft titanium exhaust, headers, pulley and tune she was a rocket and sounded insane. I agree the response of the paddles on the SMG was much better it really baffles me how AMG messed up the response time with something so simple it has to be software related issues. Ive noticed when using the shift knob it responds much faster than the paddles but then you want to keep both hands on the wheel when your dealing with all this power going thru the rear wheels with traction off.

        I also had extended seat time in the murci with the trans on Sport mode which had a very similar shift to the SMG. The MCT imo is faster then both in shift time and to truly experience the speed without the paddle delay fkin it up you have to put it into Sport+ mode select the gear you want to start in and let the car shift itself its basically instant. I understand how the paddle delay messes it up but if you feel it in sport + or as a passenger with a good timed shift its fast as $#&* !

        Yes now the trans is tuned as well the hardware improvement of the valve body being upgraded to put more pressure, faster on the clutches. VERY FAST shifts i also got the renntech 82mm throttle bodies on it so it pulls hard up top. This weather messed everything up but we will meet up soon no doubt & you can try it out for yourself to truly feel it !

        I agree if AMG gets the weight relatively close to the M3 and figures out the paddle delay then i think your going to have much more bolt on potential with the AMG and with the way theyve been building chassis/suspension lately just as good of a car to run through the canyons. Call me crazy but im leaning towards keeping my car the way it is N/A to hold onto for a while as its a dying breed and possibly picking up a C7 Z06 ... its currently #1 on my list but I have about another year until that decision is made we shall see
      1. SLS AMG's Avatar
        SLS AMG -
        BS. Clear advertising for BMW. I have personally seen what the E63 does to an M6 here in Qatar and it is absolutely the opposite. Pathetic video
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Even after all that $#@! he talked on Ferrari?

        I don't understand why he's popular though. The first 10 minutes of the video are basically worthless. It's like listening to a girl talk about how she feels about cars. Why sit through that? Show me what they do.

        I like Chris Harris FWIW
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        The JAG is truly VULGAR, loud, obnoxious... kind of like a refined Moostang

        and "I love it Chief"
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        I love the m6 , I've never driven one but when you see them on the road it's really really good looking. BMW hit a home run in the styling dept IMO. Much better than the old m6. I don't know how anyone that has driven the dct would pick a Mercedes. The m6 is the complete package IMO, I agree with Chris
      1. M&M's Avatar
        M&M -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
        BS. Clear advertising for BMW. I have personally seen what the E63 does to an M6 here in Qatar and it is absolutely the opposite. Pathetic video
        Conspiracy theory FTW!
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        I don't know how anyone that has driven the dct would pick a Mercedes. The m6 is the complete package IMO, I agree with Chris
        Maybe someone that doesn't want to spend another $22,000 over the E63.
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        Maybe someone that doesn't want to spend another $22,000 over the E63.

        We had an M6... bloody supertanker sized "sports" salooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnn..... did not like it
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        Maybe someone that doesn't want to spend another $22,000 over the E63.
        Well they don't directly compete... The cls does and is closer in price. Mercedes needs a different trans IMO
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        Well they don't directly compete... The cls does and is closer in price. Mercedes needs a different trans IMO
        Even then the CLS63 is a $16k difference. I would take the CLS63, just because I think it looks better. But styling is subjective. All the cars in this segment are amazing. I could see why someone would buy either of them, including the Jag and Audi.
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        Yes Def had it in traction off in M6 mode with all bars filled up instead of the last one missing with traction control left on ! He had a vert but it was bad ass full meisterschaft titanium exhaust, headers, pulley and tune she was a rocket and sounded insane. I agree the response of the paddles on the SMG was much better it really baffles me how AMG messed up the response time with something so simple it has to be software related issues. Ive noticed when using the shift knob it responds much faster than the paddles but then you want to keep both hands on the wheel when your dealing with all this power going thru the rear wheels with traction off.

        I also had extended seat time in the murci with the trans on Sport mode which had a very similar shift to the SMG. The MCT imo is faster then both in shift time and to truly experience the speed without the paddle delay fkin it up you have to put it into Sport+ mode select the gear you want to start in and let the car shift itself its basically instant. I understand how the paddle delay messes it up but if you feel it in sport + or as a passenger with a good timed shift its fast as $#&* !

        Yes now the trans is tuned as well the hardware improvement of the valve body being upgraded to put more pressure, faster on the clutches. VERY FAST shifts i also got the renntech 82mm throttle bodies on it so it pulls hard up top. This weather messed everything up but we will meet up soon no doubt & you can try it out for yourself to truly feel it !

        I agree if AMG gets the weight relatively close to the M3 and figures out the paddle delay then i think your going to have much more bolt on potential with the AMG and with the way theyve been building chassis/suspension lately just as good of a car to run through the canyons. Call me crazy but im leaning towards keeping my car the way it is N/A to hold onto for a while as its a dying breed and possibly picking up a C7 Z06 ... its currently #1 on my list but I have about another year until that decision is made we shall see
        Yea id love to see how your car shifts tuned and modded from the pass seat, and yes the feeling of shifting speed probably was ruined by the delay.
        Hopefully this weather gets better man and we can get this meeting happening!

        I think for now im gonna hold onto the M5, tune should be coming soon, and long tube headers by the end of the year. Slowly modding and doing my research. Going from 2 335i's for past 6 years on the turbo life. NA/top end power with no heat soak and tuning issues is too much fun now!
        OO C7 is always on the list! badass car!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
        BS. Clear advertising for BMW. I have personally seen what the E63 does to an M6 here in Qatar and it is absolutely the opposite. Pathetic video
        You're wrong.

        How is it a pathetic video? What is an E63 supposed to do versus the M5/M6? The M5/M6 is underrated and has a dual clutch. What happened in the video is what should happen.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        Maybe someone that doesn't want to spend another $22,000 over the E63.
        Then there is the M5 for that.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Then there is the M5 for that.
        More proof how ridiculously overpriced the M6GC is.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        More proof how ridiculously overpriced the M6GC is.
        Luxury toys aren't cheap.