• AMS Alpha 9 package Porsche 997.1 Turbo Dynojet results on 93 octane, Shell URT, and MS109 plus 60-130 run

      Below you will find a set of dyno results for an AMS Performance Alpha 9 equipped manual Porsche 997.1 Turbo. AMS rates the Alpha 9 package at 900 horsepower at the crank. The package includes upgraded turbochargers with billet wheels, upgraded intercoolers, carbon fiber intakes, large diameter y-pipe, and tuning for various octane fuels including pump gas. This particular car also has an upgraded clutch to handle the increased torque.



      Here is the baseline for the car on a Dynojet with 93 octane pump. The car has an unnamed tune and a Miltek exhaust. The result is a peak of 461 wheel horsepower:



      Now here is the Alpha 9 package on 93 octane pump gas. A peak of 694 wheel horsepower was achieved:



      On Shell URT Advanced and MS109 both hit the same 763 wheel horsepower peak so just over 300 wheel horsepower more than the baseline:



      How about the 60-130 time? A blistering 5.97 seconds on 93 octane pump gas. The AMS Alpha 9 package proves it packs a serious punch:

      This article was originally published in forum thread: AMS Alpha 9 package Porsche 997.1 Turbo Dynojet results on 93 octane, Shell URT, and MS109 plus 60-130 run started by Sticky View original post
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      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
        A few things:

        You're mixing up 996 and 997 Turbos in your comments (as was the case in that 6speed thread, too, making it confusing).
        AMS uses EPL for 996 Turbo tuning.
        AMS (AFAIK) does their 997 Turbo tuning in-house.
        AMS offers a K16 billet-wheel turbo upgrade for 996 Turbos.
        AMS offers an Alpha 9 A28-based package for 997 Turbos.
        K16's and A28's are not even remotely similar turbochargers, in terms of technology or output potential.
        Minor think but AMS did admit that EPL is tuning all their Porsche stuff because they've got all the necessary tuning equipment. And there definitely is a clear miscommunication between everyone what turbos are being used (the thread is on their 997 package in 996 section).


        And even you acknowledged that the claims they're advertising are different then their own data supports:
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        Me too im waiting for AMS to show a dyno graph over 600 whp to 700whp on these turbos............ LOL

        Go to AMS' website and the product page for these turbos. In the description section, click the "images" tab. The dyno graphs are there. Dynojet.

        Edit: no 700whp graphs, to my knowledge. 550 whp on pump, 600 whp on race.

        Tony, here's a dyno with HP & TQ (with the Billet K16s)
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        c32AMG-DTM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Minor think but AMS did admit that EPL is tuning all their Porsche stuff because they've got all the necessary tuning equipment. And there definitely is a clear miscommunication between everyone what turbos are being used (the thread is on their 997 package in 996 section).


        And even you acknowledged that the claims they're advertising are different then their own data supports:

        Tony, here's a dyno with HP & TQ (with the Billet K16s)
        http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...ateline1-1.jpg
        You are still mixing up 996TT and 997TT. This thread is about 997TT, and AMS' Alpha 9 package.

        The 996TT discussion was about AMS' modified K16 Billet - wheel turbos, and what can be expected of them. AMS claimed 800 crank max, and showed a 670 rwhp graph to back it up. They explained that was race gas, all supporting mods, and 1.7 bar boost - so obviously the ragged edge of the upper range for what's theoretically possible. They also claimed 550 rwhp on pump or 600 rwhp on race gas without as many supporting mods.
      1. c32AMG-DTM's Avatar
        c32AMG-DTM -
        And, I am 99% sure that EPL tunes for AMS' 996TT offerings, but that they (AMS) tune their 997TT packages in house.
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        The alpha 9 package with upgraded clutch etc is $22k which seems okay given the dramatic increase in whp etc but is it really that "safe" on otherwise stock internals.....

        Also, anyone know what the typical installation costs ???
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
        The alpha 9 package with upgraded clutch etc is $22k which seems okay given the dramatic increase in whp etc but is it really that "safe" on otherwise stock internals.....

        Also, anyone know what the typical installation costs ???
        If you want a "bolt on" kit, go with the Protomotive kit (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Protomotive-...item3a5051f08d) same price and from a much more established + reputable Porsche tuner.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
        The alpha 9 package with upgraded clutch etc is $22k which seems okay given the dramatic increase in whp etc but is it really that "safe" on otherwise stock internals.....

        Also, anyone know what the typical installation costs ???
        No idea on the installation cost as that will vary. @ALPHA Performance should able to share how many labor hours it is typically to install the package.

        Guessing you are looking at this for your 997?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        If you want a "bolt on" kit, go with the Protomotive kit (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Protomotive-...item3a5051f08d) same price and from a much more established + reputable Porsche tuner.
        What are you basing this on? What exactly about AMS makes you feel that are not as reputable or established?

        Protomotive is ok but you're overrating them.
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No idea on the installation cost as that will vary. @ALPHA Performance should able to share how many labor hours it is typically to install the package.

        Guessing you are looking at this for your 997?

        I am looking at options......

        It would be interesting once Cobb tuning is used more for the 997.1 etc if we get performance data like we do with the various levels of stage upgrade on the N54 BMW's

        eg... Cobb dynos clearly show

        01-21-2014 11:42 am 425 hp 468 ft/lb Baseline - Stock - Sport Mode[Details]
        01-21-2014 11:42 am 471 hp 506 ft/lb Stage 1 OTS - Sport Mode[Details]
        01-21-2014 11:42 am 511 hp 537 ft/lb Stage 2 OTS - Sport Mode[Details]

        as per this dyno http://www.cobbtuning.com/Dyno-Database-s/70119.htm



      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
        I am looking at options......

        It would be interesting once Cobb tuning is used more for the 997.1 etc if we get performance data like we do with the various levels of stage upgrade on the N54 BMW's

        eg... Cobb dynos clearly show

        01-21-2014 11:42 am 425 hp 468 ft/lb Baseline - Stock - Sport Mode[Details]
        01-21-2014 11:42 am 471 hp 506 ft/lb Stage 1 OTS - Sport Mode[Details]
        01-21-2014 11:42 am 511 hp 537 ft/lb Stage 2 OTS - Sport Mode[Details]

        as per this dyno http://www.cobbtuning.com/Dyno-Database-s/70119.htm


        What data are you looking for? 1/4 times and dyno numbers exist.
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        So for $2500 plus an exhaust at a few $k we can add 90 whp to a 997.1 without going to a "package"

        Then I assume by adding the E85 or a flex fuel upgrade with larger injectors we should hit somewhere near the Cobb result that BBi got or say 600 whp... call that stage 3 with stock internals and turbos etc
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        You should talk to Cobb's Porsche guy. @COBB Tuning
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        What data are you looking for? 1/4 times and dyno numbers exist.

        I am basically saying some of the packages seem to have enormous mark up (without installation costs) and I may be able to get to some of those levels safely with all upgrades using existing "products"

        I have reviewed many of the "dynos" and some of the "package sellers" are clearly misleading.... one claims a 2.7s or 2.8s 0 to 60 mph time without explaining that the car that did it had other internal mods and was driven by a racing car driver known to be the fastest "shifter in the west".............. another claims 3s 0 to 60 mph with no VBox or other verification etc..

        Anyway, I am going to see what "packages" the local guys like Vinny Ten etc recommend

        The aplha 9 package "sounds the best" but are they really getting 900 crank hp on that engine with stock rods, bearings etc etc.....
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You should talk to Cobb's Porsche guy. @COBB Tuning
        Yeah will do once I am out of the NY ice age
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
        I am basically saying some of the packages seem to have enormous mark up (without installation costs) and I may be able to get to some of those levels safely with all upgrades using existing "products"

        I have reviewed many of the "dynos" and some of the "package sellers" are clearly misleading.... one claims a 2.7s or 2.8s 0 to 60 mph time without explaining that the car that did it had other internal mods and was driven by a racing car driver known to be the fastest "shifter in the west".............. another claims 3s 0 to 60 mph with no VBox or other verification etc..

        Anyway, I am going to see what "packages" the local guys like Vinny Ten etc recommend

        The aplha 9 package "sounds the best" but are they really getting 900 crank hp on that engine with stock rods, bearings etc etc.....
        Don't go by quoted acceleration figures as those vary by conditions and so forth. I would pay attention to what the products are, what the pricing is, and the horsepower figures.

        If it was me I would pick out my own exhaust, my own tune, own intercooler, and so forth. Some people like to buy a package with everything included and not mess around with the details.
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Don't go by quoted acceleration figures as those vary by conditions and so forth. I would pay attention to what the products are, what the pricing is, and the horsepower figures.

        If it was me I would pick out my own exhaust, my own tune, own intercooler, and so forth. Some people like to buy a package with everything included and not mess around with the details.

        yeah I hear you and am going your way...
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        What are you basing this on? What exactly about AMS makes you feel that are not as reputable or established?

        Protomotive is ok but you're overrating them.
        That at this time, AMS is still new to this platform (just like Switzer) and there are several more established, more proven Porsche tuners, specifically Protomotive (who's done a 3.8L, 1100+ WHP 997 Turbo & embarrassed a Switzer R911). Other vendors I'd consider would be BBi, USP Motorsports & Champion Motorsports. OR you can just "build your own kit" like a lot of Porsche owners do, by upgrading your Intercoolers, Y-Pipe, Fueling, Exhaust & Turbos (which can be bolted onto the OEM headers) and a highly reduced rate then buying any vendors' "Power Package".


        If I had a GTR, then yes AMS comes to mind immediately. Just like if I had a Lambo, UGR would probably be getting a phone call.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        If AMS is reputable in the GTR world I don't see how they suddenly become an unreputable company when dealing with Porsche. You can't use that word in relation to experience as it is an unfair generalization especially when you admit they come to mind on certain other platforms.

        Protomotive does good work but they are also relatively small. Each car they take on is sort of its own project. They don't even have anything really listed on their website you have to contact them for info.

        It really boils down to budget and personal preference. USP Motorsports also made its name in the Audi/VW scene more than Porsche. You seem to be basing your opinion on their recent GT2 1/4 mile runs and what you have read on the forums.

        BBi seems to do good stuff as well although I haven't been able to contact anyone there which makes me wonder.

        Any of these tuners are capable.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        BBi seems to do good stuff as well although I haven't been able to contact anyone there which makes me wonder.

        Any of these tuners are capable.
        Using your logic any tuner, regardless of platform (GM, Ford, BMW, Nissan, Porsche, etc), should be more than capable of tuning any car.

        BBi doesn't seem to bother with forums (stopped in 2012) or heavy marketing. I know they just revamped their website, but IMO going off their Instagram & Facebook pages are the best way to keep "updated" with their shops activity.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Using your logic any tuner, regardless of platform (GM, Ford, BMW, Nissan, Porsche, etc), should be more than capable of tuning any car.
        No as my logic was whether a tuner is reputable does not change if they are newer to a platform if they have already established they are. I thought I was quite clear on that.

        Additionally my statement was any of the tuners mentioned, specifically, are good Porsche tuning choices. Why you include anyone as a whole based on that or infer that was the logic I do not know.
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        That at this time, AMS is still new to this platform (just like Switzer) and there are several more established, more proven Porsche tuners, specifically Protomotive (who's done a 3.8L, 1100+ WHP 997 Turbo & embarrassed a Switzer R911). Other vendors I'd consider would be BBi, USP Motorsports & Champion Motorsports. OR you can just "build your own kit" like a lot of Porsche owners do, by upgrading your Intercoolers, Y-Pipe, Fueling, Exhaust & Turbos (which can be bolted onto the OEM headers) and a highly reduced rate then buying any vendors' "Power Package".


        If I had a GTR, then yes AMS comes to mind immediately. Just like if I had a Lambo, UGR would probably be getting a phone call.

        Thx Benzy... I will check out Protomotive as well..... I think coming from a BMW background where the data is highly transparent as to vendors (1000's of posts on this forum) means I just need to research more for the Porker