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    • The E71 X6M is getting a facelift for the 2015 model year - To get 600 horsepower S63TU V8?

      BMW is clearly testing a facelift for the current E71 X6M as the spyphotos below show. Minor cosmetic changes to the front and rear lights as well as fascias will take place. Additionally, with the new F15 X5 a new X5M is on the way. The outgoing X5M and current X6M use the S63 V8 instead of the S63TU that the F10 M5 and F12/F13 M6 have under the hood. Will the new X5M and the X6M facelift get the updated and more powerful version of the S63 V8?

      Rumors abound that the updates will not just be cosmetic. It makes sense for the F15 X5M to get more power than the outgoing model and for the X6M to share this drivetrain or else the facelift amounts to nothing more than cosmetics which will not entice buyers as much as a more powerful motor. With an increase to 22 psi (from 17 psi) as well as VALVETRONIC it is conceivable that horsepower in the ~600 range is achievable but this seems to be optimistic.

      What is more likely since power is going to all four wheels through an automatic transmission in the X6M is that the facelift will match or slightly exceed the F10 M5 and F12/F13 M6 horsepower rating considering the already high 22 psi of boost for the S63TU and also offer an optional power kit to raise output further. Why would BMW give up more HP for free when they are already charging for the bump in the M5 and M6?

      We will have to wait and see what happens but keeping the S63 V8 in production simply for the X5M and X6M when all other M V8 models have moved to the S63TU does not make much sense.
















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      1. onisyndicate's Avatar
        onisyndicate -
        meh don't like it!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Well you don't even know what it is yet other than it's an X6M.
      1. onisyndicate's Avatar
        onisyndicate -
        X5M > X6M
      1. emil's Avatar
        emil -
        There are a few things that don’t make sense here, if BMW follows the same pattern as they did with the E70 X5 the 2016 X6 should be all new, not a facelift of the E71 X6 which they did on model year 2013.There is no point on a having a face lifted car that will only last one year. I can’t imagine why BMW would stick an updated engine to a car that is in the final phase of its production. That being said, the F15 X5 M should have an 600+ HP engine, and I do hope they go with the DCT box instead of the E70 X5 M 6 speed or a “Sport” version of the 8 speed the F15 X5 currently has. According to all Chinese websites (type X5M on Google news and you’ll see what I’m talking about) the F15 X5 M will have a double clutch gearbox, I don’t know where these guys gets there info because I have searched in the web to see who else is saying something of the DCT n the F15 X5 M and nobody does.
      1. spool twice's Avatar
        spool twice -
        The proportions of the hood line and rear fenders are of the new x5, it looks like a complete redesign to me vs. A facelift
      1. deemo319's Avatar
        deemo319 -
        Facelift? The E71X6 is not getting a facelift, it is going out of production. There is a new X6 coming online for production. 2014 is the last year for the E71.

        BMW was shocked by the success of the X6. They planned 80, 000 units of the E71 over a seven year production run. Other manufacturers watched and waited to see how the matket reacted.

        BMW surpassed 150, 000 units last year. Now Mercedes-Benz, VWs Audi have X6 competitors in development. The pictures are of its replacement, F16 chassis. The E71 had its LCI in 2011.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by emil Click here to enlarge
        There are a few things that don’t make sense here, if BMW follows the same pattern as they did with the E70 X5 the 2016 X6 should be all new, not a facelift of the E71 X6 which they did on model year 2013.There is no point on a having a face lifted car that will only last one year. I can’t imagine why BMW would stick an updated engine to a car that is in the final phase of its production. That being said, the F15 X5 M should have an 600+ HP engine, and I do hope they go with the DCT box instead of the E70 X5 M 6 speed or a “Sport” version of the 8 speed the F15 X5 currently has. According to all Chinese websites (type X5M on Google news and you’ll see what I’m talking about) the F15 X5 M will have a double clutch gearbox, I don’t know where these guys gets there info because I have searched in the web to see who else is saying something of the DCT n the F15 X5 M and nobody does.
        Repped simply because it was your first post, not because it's a good post.

        It makes complete sense than the X6 is getting a facelift considering it debuted well after the E70 X5. So, BMW will get more money out of the platform since it looks 'fresher' than the X5 did and a new X6 will come in a couple years after the debut of the X5 just as it did previously.

        One year? The next generation X6 isn't even testing yet.

        How is the F15 X5M going to get to 600+? The S63TU is already squeezed pretty hard over the S63 and unlike the M5/M6 the power is routed through an automatic to all four wheels so it will never have the same power going to the wheels due to higher drivetrain losses.

        An automatic is better for towing as these are still heavy SUV's that are supposed to offer utility. I don't know if a DCT is the best idea for these cars but it definitely will offer higher performance.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by deemo319 Click here to enlarge
        Facelift? The E71X6 is not getting a facelift, it is going out of production. There is a new X6 coming online for production. 2014 is the last year for the E71.

        BMW was shocked by the success of the X6. They planned 80, 000 units of the E71 over a seven year production run. Other manufacturers watched and waited to see how the matket reacted.

        BMW surpassed 150, 000 units last year. Now Mercedes-Benz, VWs Audi have X6 competitors in development. The pictures are of its replacement, F16 chassis. The E71 had its LCI in 2011.
        Your source is what? That clearly is a facelift to the E71. It is not an F16, it is the E71. There would be no need to disguise the lights and fascias if it was an E71 body on a new chassis now would there?
      1. OverDrive's Avatar
        OverDrive -
        Come on Sticky, you should know better. Do you see any resemblance between the upright kidney grilles of this car compared to the E71? BMW wouldn't change the entire hood and the angle of the grilles just for a face lift. And you can tell from the dash line in you look at the interior that there is a HUD. The E70/1 don't have HUD, the F15 X5 does which means that this is the F16 X6.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by OverDrive Click here to enlarge
        Come on Sticky, you should know better. Do you see any resemblance between the upright kidney grilles of this car compared to the E71? BMW wouldn't change the entire hood and the angle of the grilles just for a face lift. And you can tell from the dash line in you look at the interior that there is a HUD. The E70/1 don't have HUD, the F15 X5 does which means that this is the F16 X6.
        All reports are that this is the E71 and that is what the source of the photos quotes. Could this be the F16? Maybe. But if it is, it's not exactly much of a difference now is it?

        The E71 clearly has more life in it than the E70. One way or another the X6 is getting a revamp. When new reports surface on the F16 I'll be sure to report them myself.
      1. OverDrive's Avatar
        OverDrive -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        All reports are that this is the E71 and that is what the source of the photos quotes. Could this be the F16? Maybe. But if it is, it's not exactly much of a difference now is it?

        The E71 clearly has more life in it than the E70. One way or another the X6 is getting a revamp. When new reports surface on the F16 I'll be sure to report them myself.
        I just googled "F16 X6" and there are lots of sources with pictures showing this same exact car in Series and M trims as well as side-by-side shots with the F15 X5/X5M.
        From these pictures there is just too many similarities between this car and the F15 to prove that it in fact is the next-gen X6.
        I guess by a report you mean an auto magazine getting confirmation from BMW through an interview of some sort?
      1. emil's Avatar
        emil -
        E70 X5 went from MY 2007 to MY 2013, that being said the E71 X6 should go from MY 2009 to MY 2015.
        When are you saying that he next X6 will bow?
        Porsche Cayenne Turbo S and ML63 AMG are tow beasts that the F15 X5 M has to beat!! Having owned a X5 M and having raced several times against Cayenne Turbo’s and Turbo S I can tell you that the next X5 M needs more power, less weight and/or a DCT box. The Cayenne Turbo S is still much lighter that the F15 X5 5.0 4,883 lbs vs. 51xx lbs so if they will have the same output as the M5 560-575 HP that won’t get the job done.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by OverDrive Click here to enlarge
        I just googled "F16 X6" and there are lots of sources with pictures showing this same exact car in Series and M trims as well as side-by-side shots with the F15 X5/X5M.
        From these pictures there is just too many similarities between this car and the F15 to prove that it in fact is the next-gen X6.
        I guess by a report you mean an auto magazine getting confirmation from BMW through an interview of some sort?
        That or more detailed spyphotos. I don't think there is any 100% definitive way to say what it is right now since there are E71 and F16 articles based on the same photos. The source for this particular set says E71. Others say F16.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by emil Click here to enlarge
        E70 X5 went from MY 2007 to MY 2013, that being said the E71 X6 should go from MY 2009 to MY 2015.
        So it should end late next year. With the new X5M getting what should be an updated drivetrain will the X6 or will they produce two sets of motors?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by emil Click here to enlarge
        Having owned a X5 M and having raced several times against Cayenne Turbo’s and Turbo S I can tell you that the next X5 M needs more power, less weight and/or a DCT box.
        The X5M never gave up anything to the Cayenne Turbo in acceleration though?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by emil Click here to enlarge
        The Cayenne Turbo S is still much lighter that the F15 X5 5.0 4,883 lbs vs. 51xx lbs so if they will have the same output as the M5 560-575 HP that won’t get the job done.
        The new X5 is slightly lighter than the outgoing model.
      1. emil's Avatar
        emil -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        So it should end late next year. With the new X5 M getting what should be an updated drivetrain will the X6 or will they produce two sets of motors?

        Yes, they would have different engines, it would be only for a year. Let's say that having two different is not an option for BMW, they can easily have the 2015 X6 M with the same engine as the F15 X5 M and they don't need to do second facelift to the X6, they would only do a engine swap.



        The X5M never gave up anything to the Cayenne Turbo in acceleration though?
        The cayenne turbo faster that the X5 M with out lunch control. the Cayenne Turbo S is quicker and faster with or with out lunch control. dont forget that the Cayenne is up for a facelift on MY 2015 and its very likely that they bump up the power on the Cayenne's



        The new X5 is slightly lighter than the outgoing model.
        Slightly doesn't work, drastic weight loss works.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by emil Click here to enlarge
        Slightly doesn't work, drastic weight loss works.
        Well I'm not in charge over at BMW or it would be drastic.