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      It's nice to see the facelifted W212 E63 AMG already modified and on the drag strip. Renntech tuned this E63 AMG 4Matic which is the standard non-S version. If one intends to tune keeping the change versus the S model makes a lot more sense especially considering the performance with just an ECU tune. So what did it run? 11.18 at 126.4 miles per hour. The launch was hardly dramatic as the car just hooked up and went.


      Renntech was able to run an 11.09@129 tune only in the pre-facelift rear wheel drive model. What does this mean? Well, the 4Matic is adding some weight and sucking some trap speed. However, it does not need drag rubber to repeat this performance. So the 4Matic essentially is making hooking up easier and more consistent at the expense of some trap speed.

      Enjoy the video below.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Renntech tune only 2014 W212 E63 AMG 4Matic 1/4 mile run started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 87 Comments
      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        So, I was right.
        There is no S8 with "just a tune" running 130mph.
        You make me laugh quoting 100 octane numbers for a LUXURY car. Even with rocket fuel, a S8 isn't running 130mph.

        I guess it's lost on you that you can make more power with less octane with larger cubes.
        Why do you think we stroke and bore boosted engines?

        I also find it interesting that those quoted ET's are pretty low for the MPH and no where near what I've seen other cars with APR tunes run at the track.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        So, I was right.
        There is no S8 with "just a tune" running 130mph.
        Look I'm just going by what APR posted. I don't know if it was downpipes or not but the car isn't giving up anything.

        The S8 is heavier so take the lighter RS7 to compare to the E-Class.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        You make me laugh quoting 100 octane numbers for a LUXURY car. Even with rocket fuel, a S8 isn't running 130mph.
        So APR is a bunch of liars?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        I guess it's lost on you that you can make more power with less octane with larger cubes.
        Why do you think we stroke and bore boosted engines?
        It isn't lost on me. When I'm racing I run race gas though. Unless guys with M157's just run pump gas at the track?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        I also find it interesting that those quoted ET's are pretty low for the MPH and no where near what I've seen other cars with APR tunes run at the track.
        What other APR cars with this motor?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Here you go, into the 10's at over 130. So why exactly are you creating such a fuss? The M177 might even be better than the Audi motor in a lighter car with a dual clutch. What trouble is it going to have with the M157 really? Those cubes are needed more for moving the porky cars it is in.

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      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        So, again, I'm right. No S8 is remotely near 130mph on "just a tune" as you incorrectly posted.
        And, don't try to troll me with making it look like I'm starting beef with APR.
        My issue was that YOU are obviously posting incorrect information.

        The runs I have seen from mutliple S6 and S7's with APR tunes are in the mid 11's/teens with the same engine in a LIGHTER car.

        I'm not knocking APR, I'm just pointing out what I've seen and how this compares.
        Frankly, unless the C63 weighs SIGNIFICANTLY less than the S6, I will be probably pick up a S6 an run a APS tune for a daily beater.
        Obviously not 100 octane.
        If you not making the power you want on 93 octane, you need more displacement..
        Race gas is for race cars. Not LUXURY sedans.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        So, again, I'm right. No S8 is remotely near 130mph on "just a tune" as you incorrectly posted.
        It's not remotely near running what ~126-127? WTF? Not remotely near?

        We don't even know if that was tune only or not. APR didn't specify. What we do know is the car is running 130 and mid 10's.

        Seriously, give credit already. It isn't giving up anything. The RS7 will be even faster as its lighter. What will you say then?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        The runs I have seen from mutliple S6 and S7's with APS tunes are in the mid 11's/teens with the same engine in a LIGHTER car.
        It isn't the same engine. The turbos are different and the S8 makes much more power. Just as the RS7 engine isn't the same as the S7 engine. Yes, same block, but everything else is changed.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        Race gas is for race cars. Not LUXURY sedans.
        Race gas is for racing. When I race a forced induction car, I run race gas. All these motors are pulling timing on pump so its not even wise IMO to push hard on pump gas.
      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        I like the S6 for a daily driver and would run a APR tune, but it's limited by the tiney displacement.
        The S7 and S8 are overweight.
        The S8 and RS7 gives up the DCT for a slushbox= No thank you.

        I told ya before, I don't blindly believe Audi when they claim they manufacture two totally different versions of those engines, no matter what they say. Maybe different turbos, but no way to be sure until you tear down an engine.

        Race gas in a luxury sedan is stupid to me.
        If you can afford a $100k+ sedan, you should be able to afford a dedicated race car that weighs 1000+lbs less.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        I like the S6 for a daily driver and would run a APR tune, but it's limited by the tiney displacement.
        The S7 and S8 are overweight.
        Why is the S6 not overweight but the S7 is? The S6 and S7 are the same basic thing. The S8 is larger and heavier than both.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        The S8 and RS7 gives up the DCT for a slushbox= No thank you.
        But... the M157's you all love are mated to slushboxes. The M177 will be mated to a DCT.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        I told ya before, I don't blindly believe Audi when they claim they manufacture two totally different versions of those engines, no matter what they say. Maybe different turbos, but no way to be sure until you tear down an engine.
        The turbos and manifolds are different as evidenced by the tuning figures. The internals may or may not be shared. It would require a teardown as audi has not stated.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        Race gas in a luxury sedan is stupid to me.
        If you can afford a $100k+ sedan, you should be able to afford a dedicated race car that weighs 1000+lbs less.
        Or maybe because you have a turbo motor you might want to crank the boost?

        Look, the point ultimately is the 4.0 liter motor can perform and perform well.
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        MCT is not a slush box ! Click here to enlarge It is very direct as its using the clutch to put power down and not a torque converter i understand the trans behind it is planetary like a slushbox but the way it responds to pedal input and shifts at WOT is like a very fast single clutch without the harshness. It basically in between a SMG and DCT in character

        Also im not sure whats so hard to understand about what your saying. The 4.0 in the audi is putting up very similar numbers power wise and it should be more impressive since its doing it to all 4 wheels with the added parasitic loss. Well see what the m157 does when they totally figure out tuning the AWD system

        The only advantage i see the m157 have is midrange torque and even that is not by alot I mean if you already have 630 wtq(audi) theres nothing to be jealous about 680 wtq(Merc) especially when you are making similar top end power which is most important. I understand what hes saying about all being equal displacement will make more power but lets be real it wont be equal. They are moving towards efficiency more and more but at the same time want more power so they will work on everything else to make it better heads,cams,manifolds,turbo designs, etc etc I mean theres a reason the M177 is going into the new AMG flagship model the new AMG GT. If they wanted the M157 in it they wouldve done it
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        @Sticky
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        Also im not sure whats so hard to understand about what your saying. The 4.0 in the audi is putting up very similar numbers power wise and it should be more impressive since its doing it to all 4 wheels with the added parasitic loss. Well see what the m157 does when they totally figure out tuning the AWD system
        This is exactly what I'm saying. So a 4.0 isn't the end of the world like he is making it seem. With a higher redline, top mount turbos, and DCT, it may even turn out better.
      1. Roll racer's Avatar
        Roll racer -
        So the E63 picked up about 7 mph in the quarter from just the tune ?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Roll racer Click here to enlarge
        So the E63 picked up about 7 mph in the quarter from just the tune ?
        The M157 gets quite a bit from a tune.
      1. Roll racer's Avatar
        Roll racer -
        No doubt it does. Some incredible gains. But I also do believe the awd saps the car of some power,,,
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Roll racer Click here to enlarge
        No doubt it does. Some incredible gains. But I also do believe the awd saps the car of some power,,,
        It definitely does. Also adds weight.
      1. 2012 s63tt's Avatar
        2012 s63tt -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onisyndicate Click here to enlarge
        was race gas used in the original video?
        yes race gas was used 50/50 100 oct and 93 oct mix.
      1. 2012 s63tt's Avatar
        2012 s63tt -
        the second video by talon97, that by the way makes the best videos and props to him....
        i ran lite weight rims that help me trap faster speed.i did not use launch control since 60' is slower than just brake boost.but car has a lot of torque management that slows car every shift.
        i ran my 2012 s63 11.6 with renntech tune only.car weight with driver 4650 lb.
      1. 2012 s63tt's Avatar
        2012 s63tt -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Benz was crazy fast! He wanted 10s in it, but wanted 9s I in his turbo s more so he focused on that.
        CANT WAIT FOR NEXT SEASON OF D.O.R GETTING READY.HOPE FOR 1/2 MILE SHOOT OUT.Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 2012 s63tt Click here to enlarge
        CANT WAIT FOR NEXT SEASON OF D.O.R GETTING READY.HOPE FOR 1/2 MILE SHOOT OUT.Click here to enlarge
        Yeah. Less than half mile for roll racing is kind of meh.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
        Agreed. Click here to enlarge
        So does every EDUCATED car guy out there.Click here to enlarge

        Some people either don't understand the fundamentals of combustion engines, or are simple trolls.
        Here's some education for you. That 4.0 is pretty weak eh? http://www.audiboost.com/content.php...eels-tune-only
      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Here's some education for you. That 4.0 is pretty weak eh? http://www.audiboost.com/content.php...eels-tune-only

        Yes. Any educated car guy knows that when all things are equal, a larger displacement engine will ALWAYS make more power, with more torque, and be able to do it with less octane.
        All these posts of yours attempting to refute my point are futile and really make you look uneducated.
        But, it's your site. So, have at it.