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    • Honoring a fellow car enthusiast and a reminder how quickly it can all end- Paul Walker killed in a wreck

      Those who visit this site know who Paul Walker is and have likely seen the Fast and the Furious movies. The 40 year old Walker died in a tragic accident when the Carrera GT he was the passenger in lost control and slammed into a tree at a high rate of speed. The car caught fire and as the pictures show below there was not much left of the car or those inside. Paul is survived by his 15 year old daughter Meadow.


      This website is for performance automotive enthusiasts and does not make attempts to delve into celebrity and TMZ fueled culture but this is different. Yes, Paul Walker was an actor in a well known series of automotive movies that we often make fun of here. Not because we don't like them but actually because we like to them to such a level as enthusiasts we understand how Hollywood fudges with the reality of the automotive world for the purpose of entertainment.

      The thing is, Paul Walker was not just some guy playing a guy into cars. He was a true automotive enthusiast with a passion for the topic. He had a slew of modified cars one of which was a supercharged BMW E92 M3 built for track duty by the same company working on my car. I saw his vehicle many times when I would go check the status of my own M3 and I always in the back of mind thought I would run into him at some point down the line. This was not some random rich celebrity isolated in a bubble but there was a very real world automotive enthusiasm to him that at least for me had tangible aspects.

      Speaking of his M3 he raced it as part of the AE Performance team and one of those team members was the driver of the Carrera GT. Getting lost in the tragedy is that two people lost their lives here. Roger Rodas was the driver and obviously we do not know exactly what happened other than he clearly lost control of the vehicle. The Carrera GT is considered a high level drivers car and it definitely can bite you if you push further than you should. No matter how good of a driver you are (or think you are) this accident reminds us it can happen to anyone.

      This network wishes to pay its respects to both men and to their families who obviously are grieving. We consider ourselves car guys and so we honor our fallen fellow enthusiasts and hope another article like this never needs to be written. Those reading need to remember there are very real consequences to actions in high powered cars. Those consequences are often elevated when on public streets.

      Mr. Walker, you were participating in a charity event and participated in several humanitarian aid efforts. You used your fame and fortune to help others which is what made you different. Being an avid car enthusiast and contributing to the automotive community was just a cherry on top. You have had a greater impact on worldwide car culture than any of us can ever hope to even approach.

      You will be missed.







      This article was originally published in forum thread: RIP Paul Walker started by xShadows View original post
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      1. litxus's Avatar
        litxus -
        Yeah, she can keep jumping the hoops and live in fear for a time until is all forgotten, but I don't see her doing it for too long. She can act tough, and say stupid / sarcastic comments, but what kind of life is living in hiding all the time. Not sure if it is just me, but in my observation a lot of people in this generation act like they are untouchable.
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        chrisisnapping -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by litxus Click here to enlarge
        Yeah, she can keep jumping the hoops and live in fear for a time until is all forgotten, but I don't see her doing it for too long. She can act tough, and say stupid / sarcastic comments, but what kind of life is living in hiding all the time. Not sure if it is just me, but in my observation a lot of people in this generation act like they are untouchable.
        $#@!'ll die down in a few weeks

        without googling, who can even remember the name of the girl who did the Halloween costume of a marathon runner at the Boston bombing? What state did she live in? all i remember were the pictures of her naked and that she got fired from her job.

        It's the hivemind mentality of being Anonymous on the Internet, everyone jumps the hatewagon for a week, then gets bored and moves onto their next target.

        not saying what she did is right, it was $#@!ing horrible.

        The $#@! people will do for some ad impressions. Would love to see the traffic report for the past week against the previous 5 months of that site.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
        Must have already happened: http://nationalreport.net/fans-fast-...le-goes-viral/

        [/FONT][/COLOR]“I woke up in the middle of the night and there were a dozen guys in my parking lot just pounding my car to smithereens”, Adora reported from an undisclosed location. “I hastily packed a few essentials and phoned the police. The men managed to disperse before the police arrived so I had them take me to a relatives house where I have been ever since. I don’t imagine I will be returning to my home anytime in the near future. In fact, I am currently making arrangements to relocate to a different city until all these ridiculous cretins calm down. I mean, they didn’t even care about this guy until he died. Really, it’s just ridiculous. My car is completely destroyed because people have the poor taste to worship some of the worst movies ever made. I mean, whatever.”

        [/FONT][/COLOR]We asked Adora what she planned to do about her car. “I have already obtained a new vehicle. In fact, those schmucks sort of did me a favor since I have insurance that will replace my car in the event something like this happens. I got a newer nicer model now, very luxurious”, She giggles, “I would love to invite them to burn down my house as well. I have been considering getting an updated condo for some time.”
        This either shows how much she doesn't get it, or how insane she is for thinking that's what this is about. It has nothing to do with the quality of the movies he was in - it has to do with the simple fact that you don't (or shouldn't) take something serious and make a mockery out of it for fun/ad revenue/etc... She is a hypocrite like many of the people of that hipster-generation; she is making fun of his "non-fame", yet is using it to make fame for herself. I don't understand people like this - and never will. These are the types of people that argue why a car should be able to go above the speed limit if it's illegal to do so. It's sad - they haven't lived, and pick and choose their opinions and what they stand for without having any experience or firsthand knowledge.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by litxus Click here to enlarge
        Yeah, she can keep jumping the hoops and live in fear for a time until is all forgotten, but I don't see her doing it for too long. She can act tough, and say stupid / sarcastic comments, but what kind of life is living in hiding all the time. Not sure if it is just me, but in my observation a lot of people in this generation act like they are untouchable.
        She is already living in fear not returning to her home. Let her continue her charade.
      1. whoosh's Avatar
        whoosh -
        Chris Harris has weighed in on the Paul Walker incident, and more specifically, the backlash against the Carerra GT and supercars in general.

        http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=29008

        I am sitting on an Air Europa 737-800, en route to Valencia where later I will be driving the Porsche 918 Spyder. I know, I'm a week late to it, but such is life.It is a sad and unfortunate coincidence that Porsche should both be launching the effective successor to the Carrera GT in the very week that this gorgeous car has become the focus of anti-speed rhetoric in the aftermath of Paul Walker's tragic death, and also that he was killed in a suburb called Valencia.
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        Reactionary commentators have blamed CGT
        I try not to become too enraged when newspapers leap on isolated motoring incidents and reach alarming, uninformed conclusions - their editorial output is so vast stories are forgotten very quickly and therefore have little lasting traction - no pun intended.But during this most recent bout of hand-wringing and misinformation regarding the safety of the Carrera GT I was surprised to see some of my colleagues joining the naysayers; people in my line of work suggesting that the modern hypercar should indeed be banned.

        At first I read and ignored some of these comments on Twitter and other fora because I'm probably not going to present myself as the most impartial defender of fast cars being driven fast. But the wider debate was then steered towards the specialist media 'glorifying' the type of driving that had, apparently, caused the sad death of a film star.

        So it was really only a matter of time before I was dragged into the debate. And remember, some of these people are motoring journalists. But as some of you know, I find it hard to avoid an obvious scrap.
        The initial suggestion from one colleague - I'll stop short of calling it an accusation - was that in driving cars the way I do, that is to say in a manner many owners of such vehicles cannot replicate safely themselves, I am encouraging those drivers to do the same on public roads.

        This is of course nonsense. Whether I like it or not, I am in the entertainment business. I can tell you how something drives, I'd like to think I always do so, but my product has to justify itself through volume, and sideways equals more eyeballs. Owners of a Ferrari F12 do not look at me driving it at imbecilic angles - on a circuit I hasten to add - and think 'I can do that on the A420'. They just don't.
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        'Neither of these cars is dangerous' says Harris
        I also like throwing stuff sideways. Silly, I know.If an owner does lose control of their car, they do so because they have either exceeded their own abilities, those of the car or, more likely these days, the limits of its electronic safety systems. It is not possible to connect a video of a hypercar going sideways to a crash on the public road. People who choose to own and drive very fast cars do so because they want to experience them. It is human nature to explore the potential capabilities of anything - witness the joyful sensation of exploring the ductile properties of a borrowed BIC biro moments before it snaps in your hand - and fast cars are no exception.

        So people will crash these cars regardless of whether I'm celebrating (the Mail would say glorifying) their performance potential.

        Because people will always crash cars. And that can be said of all types, regardless of their power outputs.

        I don't have the statistics to support the opinion, but I'm very sure that supercars are not more likely to be crashed through operator error than moderately fast cars, or crap cars driven by young people, or rather nice cars being driven by old people. In fact experience tells me that people tend to be slower in this type of car because they are so much more intimidating than your normal fast machine.
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        Does showing this incite have a go heroes?
        Give an experienced driver a new RS4 or a Pagani Huayra, and he'll be miles faster in the Audi dog-carrier. But if he fires the Audi in the shrubbery, it won't find a spot in the Mail or wreckedexotics.com. Confidence, or more specifically over-confidence, is what causes people to crash stuff. I don't know who it was that suggested fitting a large driver-facing spike to the steering wheel of every car, and removing the seat belt, but he or she had a point in the context of slowing drivers. Hypercars intimidate the driver, this makes people drive them more slowly, or makes them experience their performance, and attempt to demonstrate it in a different way, but we'll come back to that in a minute.The next Twitter accusation was aimed at Porsche, because a well-known legal case in the US found against Porsche in another fatal crash, leading to some people labelling the Carrera GT 'dangerous'. This is so facile a statement I'm not going to bother defending it, save agreeing that out of the box that car can be pretty tricky. But then it has 600hp and is two wheel drive, so what do people expect?

        The Twitter debate then tackled the notion of 'too much'. Again, I'm not well placed to judge how much is too much because I don't feel I have the right to decide for other people. I know how much is too much for me, but that's a personal opinion, and the subject is too nuanced because a motor car only delivers the percentage of its performance that the driver's foot demands of it.

        My stock reply to anyone who wants to see power outputs kerbed is to ask them to stop and extrapolate that type of legislation into other areas of life: tobacco, alcohol, sex - pretty much everything that separates us from the beasts and makes us smile would be open to restrictive legislation. I don't want to live in that world. As for controlling the drivers' right foot, the only way to guarantee no driver ever oversteps the mark is to stop all humans from driving, a concept which makes me feel rather queasy.
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        Daily Mail hysteria only adds to mystique
        A Carrera GT is a far safer car than a Ferrari Testarossa, despite having over 200hp more. I'd wager that the increase in power over the past decade is more than matched by the improvement in electronic safety systems, brakes and tyre technology.Next stop for the social media jury was that old chestnut 'less is more'. I enjoy this one because I have personal experience of it. I've never crashed a Carrera GT, but when one colleague wistfully remembered the first Lotus Elise in the context of a purer driving experience that seems to have been lost in the race for outright numbers (an opinion I have much sympathy with), he also used it in the context of safety. As in, with 118hp, everything happens at lower speed. Well, I crashed my S1 Elise at a reasonable lick and, as for active safety, it remains the most treacherous handling car I've driven on wet roads. Next to it a CGT is a tabby cat.

        If I don't see any need to castrate hypercars or make them extinct, but I do see one worrying trend. Namely the show-off shunt. Strangely, it comes to pass because of the intimidation factor mentioned earlier; many owners and drivers of these things are scared of properly extending them at decent speeds, so end up in populated areas, attempting to entertain pedestrians. Quite often it ends in tears. It is also completely anti-social and the best way of fostering a hatred of fast cars among the wider population.
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        How fast is too fast? Ask him in a couple of days
        Modern cars are GPS equipped and have clever ECUs. Why can't they be restricted in urban areas - not totally neutered, but allowed to deliver just enough drama to satisfy the owner, but not enough to cause a shunt?So where does that leave the 918? I'm not sure. What I can say is that I am less excited about driving a 900hp carbon hypercar from Porsche than I was about having a go in the GT3 earlier this year. That might say more about me than the wider car industry. It might inadvertently suggest that I do have an opinion on the question of what actually is 'enough'.
        Hopefully it'll make a decent introductory thought for the first drive report in the next few days.

        Chris
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Backlash against the Carrera GT is unwarranted but I haven't really read any. That's probably because I read about cars where people know about cars.
      1. whoosh's Avatar
        whoosh -
        Yep, you have to view CNN, USA Today or other lame-stream media outlets to get any of the knee-jerk nonsense about the CGT.
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        BlackJetE90OC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Backlash against the Carrera GT is unwarranted but I haven't really read any. That's probably because I read about cars where people know about cars.
        I agree it is unwarranted.

        But I do remember Jay Leno almost killing himself in a Carrera GT doing high speed runs at Talladega.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Jay Leno isn't much of a driver IMO.
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        AlexQuattro -
        When Top Gear did a review of the Carrera GT, they do mention this car is a handful to drive. Even the Stig struggled on the power lap, spinning many times.

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        Sticky -
        The car isn't easy but it also isn't constantly trying to kill you.
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        Nemesis07r -
        The feminist Adora Bull has more ego than brains. Any decent human being would not be able to write let alone publish the hate and disgust she had posted. Like sticky said, she deserves every bit of it, and I hope that it follows her for the rest of her life. She shows no resentment, remorse, or regret for her ignorant and arrogant actions. Do I wish physical harm to come to her or her family? No. But I sure hope that she learns humility, morals, and etiquette from her careless actions. I hope she can never get a decent career in any line of work and have to live the rest of her life dodging exposure. She has made her bed and I hope she rots in it.
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nemesis07r Click here to enlarge
        The feminist Adora Bull has more ego than brains. Any decent human being would not be able to write let alone publish the hate and disgust she had posted. Like sticky said, she deserves every bit of it, and I hope that it follows her for the rest of her life. She shows no resentment, remorse, or regret for her ignorant and arrogant actions. Do I wish physical harm to come to her or her family? No. But I sure hope that she learns humility, morals, and etiquette from her careless actions. I hope she can never get a decent career in any line of work and have to live the rest of her life dodging exposure. She has made her bed and I hope she rots in it.
        The fact that website says she still has a home there tells me they care more about the traffic than what she said. It's trolling being promoted but she deserves the consequences.

        I'm all for her having the right to say what she wants. I'm also all for her thinking before she speaks as just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. If someone takes offense and pops her in the mouth for it I'd probably buy that person a beer. Hey, I'm free to express myself too.
      1. Nemesis07r's Avatar
        Nemesis07r -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The fact that website says she still has a home there tells me they care more about the traffic than what she said.

        If someone takes offense and pops her in the mouth for it I'd probably buy that person a beer. Hey, I'm free to express myself too.
        I'm completely with you on both regards. Besides if the $#@!s can find out where she lives and what car she drives, I'm sure they can find out that info on her friends and family. She obviously didn't think this through nor did she look long term in regards to her actions and words.

        Paul up walker has done so much more for charities and strangers than that Adora bull$#@! could even think of. She is too busy being a pompous, self-absorbed, feministic twat to do anything humane but to spout hate and ignorance.
      1. Nemesis07r's Avatar
        Nemesis07r -
        Paul walker** minus the up. Dunno how that got in there hah
      1. DFM's Avatar
        DFM -
        That article was manufactured purely for higher view counts for the site. The ad revenue they will get from the hits on that page....

        Profit hunting can make people do some pretty dumb $#@!.