• Eurocharged W204 C63 AMG before and after dynograph versus MHP tune - +31 wheel horsepower

      It's fairly rare to get a before and after dyno of the same car with two different tunes on most platforms let alone the M156 AMG V8. Fortunately Eurocharged has the fortitude to stand behind their tunes and offered up this comparison between an MHP ECU tune and a Eurocharged tune on the same W204 C63 AMG. The result? The MHP baseline put down 434 wheel horsepower and 404 wheel pound-feet of torque compared to Eurocharged's 465 wheel horsepower and 432 wheel pound-feet of torque.

      That is a difference of 31 horsepower and 28 pound-feet of torque at the wheels. What you see here is the difference between a canned one size fits all tuned that is resold and a tuner that is capable of taking an individual approach per car and its modifications.

      Now whomever the tuner is for MHP this time (and there have been a few) likely could approach similar gains with a custom dyno tune but those are more expensive as they take more time. What MHP is doing is essentially acting as a middle-man reselling a canned tune. Why pay more for less? With Eurocharged on the M156/C63 AMG you can pay less for more. The proof is below.

      The car also gained 3/10's in the 1/4 mile and 3 miles per hour of trap speed which those familiar with drag racing rules of thumb will see correlate with the dyno gains in the graph. The timeslip is also included below the graph.



      This article was originally published in forum thread: Eurocharged Tuned C63 gains 3mph and .3 in the quarter over previous MHP tune! started by Jake@Eurocharged.com View original post
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      1. Fast Lane's Avatar
        Fast Lane -
        So much misinforation in this thread, that I have to say something....Oh boy, where do I start??First of all, was this particular car that had the "MHP" ECU tune, actually tuned for headers? Isnt it possible that the owner of the C63 had a base ECU tune with the stock exhuast and then added longtubes without re-tuning the ECU?Sorry, but gaining 30rwhp from custom tuning is not going to happen!. Your best gains might be between 15-20hp.Second, and i'm actually surprised as to why has nobody asked this question, but why did the MHP customer decide to switch tunes and go with EC?? what made him sacrifice his existing tune and be sure to gain that extra whp??Third, What the hell is with the A/F ratio? MY GOD, the previous tune stayed constant @ 15 then went down to 13While the EuroC tune is now constant @ 14 and drops just below 12. BOTH UNSAFE!...Now can someone explain to me how is it that the previous tune making less whp while the fuel was leaner?...I smell race gas tuning :-)Now I want to be clear that I have no love for MHP/Andy, but I can sense so much BS in this thread that I have to say something about it. We all know who does the tuning for MHP. They are Weistec. Weistec own all the tuning records through MHP and thier own supercharged M156's. That includes NA, Nitrous, and Superchargerd applications. Eurocharged you want to impress us? try beating those records or at least try to get close in the M156 game, because officialy you are way behind.I think it was clasless to start this thread trying to advertise your tune and knocking down another company/tuner. @Sticky, you should be careful what articles you post!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Fast Lane Click here to enlarge
        First of all, was this particular car that had the "MHP" ECU tune, actually tuned for headers? Isnt it possible that the owner of the C63 had a base ECU tune with the stock exhuast and then added longtubes without re-tuning the ECU?
        First of all learn how to use a spacebar and secondly it was mentioned this is a the danger of a one size fits all tune as Eurocharged is more capable in the respect of tuning for mods.

        Regardless, MHP only resells others people's stuff and they are done as far as I'm concerned.

        I'm well aware of who has tuned for MHP and we have no way of knowing what tuner had their hand with this tune as Andy has been passed around like a drunk sorority girl that everyone has already had their turn with.
      1. Fast Lane's Avatar
        Fast Lane -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        First of all learn how to use a spacebar and secondly it was mentioned this is a the danger of a one size fits all tune as Eurocharged is more capable in the respect of tuning for mods. Regardless, MHP only resells others people's stuff and they are done as far as I'm concerned. I'm well aware of who has tuned for MHP and we have no way of knowing what tuner had their hand with this tune as Andy has been passed around like a drunk sorority girl that everyone has already had their turn with.
        Let me be clear again...They WILL NOT gain 30rwhp on an already tuned car by simply custom tuning it on the dyno!and again I raise the question, how is it that the previous tune made less whp while runing leaner fuel?.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Fast Lane Click here to enlarge
        Let me be clear again...


        They WILL NOT gain 30rwhp on an already tuned car by simply custom tuning it on the dyno!

        and again I raise the question, how is it that the previous tune made less whp while runing leaner fuel?
        You're not a tuner and the gains are well within reason based on what I've seen from the platform AND backed up by a timeslip.

        So while your on your knees defense of the world's biggest douchebag in Mercedes tuning is admirable I'd advise you to just appreciate that there are honest tuners out there capable of doing their own work.
      1. Fast Lane's Avatar
        Fast Lane -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You're not a tuner and the gains are well within reason based on what I've seen from the platform AND backed up by a timeslip.So while your on your knees defense of the world's biggest douchebag in Mercedes tuning is admirable I'd advise you to just appreciate that there are honest tuners out there capable of doing their own work.
        please don't turn this the other way around. I stated clearly I have no love for MHP/Andy. Just needing some technical answers. This thread was clearly started to bash another tuner/company.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Fast Lane Click here to enlarge
        please don't turn this the other way around. I stated clearly I have no love for MHP/Andy. Just needing some technical answers. This thread was clearly started to bash another tuner/company
        This thread was started with a timeslip and then a dyno was posted, that's it. If someone wanted to bash MHP/Andy there is plenty out there that can used in this respect.

        Regardless, we have a slip, we have a dyno, and we have a standup company not hiding behind "here's another tune by anonymous" but flat out naming it. If they had anything to hide they wouldn't do that so I commend them.

        Great results for a great price. The Mercedes tuning is better with Eurocharged. It's better without MHP.
      1. Fast Lane's Avatar
        Fast Lane -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You're not a tuner.
        i don't need to be.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Fast Lane Click here to enlarge
        i don't need to be.
        To act like an authority on M156 tuning, I disagree.
      1. Fast Lane's Avatar
        Fast Lane -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        To act like an authority on M156 tuning, I disagree.
        where exactly is the authority ??
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Fast Lane Click here to enlarge
        where exactly is the authority ??
        I think Eurocharged would qualify. As would any of the other Mercedes tuners here.

        I see no issues here except for people isolated from the situation who do not do this professionally, tune or writing about said tuning, thinking they know better.
      1. Fast Lane's Avatar
        Fast Lane -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I think Eurocharged would qualify. As would any of the other Mercedes tuners here.

        I see no issues here except for people isolated from the situation who do not do this professionally, tune or writing about said tuning, thinking they know better.
        I understand your position against Andy, and I feel the same way. The issue here however is different
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Fast Lane Click here to enlarge
        I understand your position against Andy, and I feel the same way. The issue here however is different
        Then why not simply ask Eurocharged before making accusations? @Jake@Eurocharged.com is right here. He isn't banned from most Mercedes forums and hasn't been run out of the industry.

        Any questions you have he will answer as he always does.
      1. Jake@Eurocharged.com's Avatar
        Jake@Eurocharged.com -
        The car was not tuned for race gas. We custom tuned the car when he came to our open house event at the new DC location. I cannot comment on his previous software as we didn't pull it and look at it, nor do I know what exactly was done previous to him bringing the car in.

        As far as making more power, yes this is definitely possible. We ourselves are and have picked up close to 20-25whp over our V3 tune that we had released a year or two ago. As a company we are always working to better our product. If you look at the 63 tuning market you will see the same thing with the other tuners, numbers have improved since the origination of the files. (always do as we get more access to different maps etc)

        As far as us not being a "player in the market" I would like to disagree. We have tuned well over 400 63's (over 7000 customers total) and were the first tuner to bring the handheld tuning device to market as we worked closely with dimsport on the protocols.

        Weistec is a very strong tuner, but remember that they weren't always doing his tuning. It is extremely possible and perhaps probable that the car in question was tuned well over a year ago and is just now taking advantage of the changes in technology.

        I would also like to say that we are doing things no one else in the market is doing, on both the 63 and 55 platforms. A quick search will show you that when other tuners were having issues with some of the fastest mb's in the game, we were able to make better power in a matter of hours.

        You will also notice that I did in fact state that there HAS to be some DA/Tire/weather related help in that time difference.

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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        It was mentioned in the article that a custom dyno tune tailored to the car will obviously make more power than a canned tune from who knows what tuner and when...
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jake@Eurocharged.com Click here to enlarge
        The car was not tuned for race gas. We custom tuned the car when he came to our open house event at the new DC location. I cannot comment on his previous software as we didn't pull it and look at it, nor do I know what exactly was done previous to him bringing the car in.

        As far as making more power, yes this is definitely possible. We ourselves are and have picked up close to 20-25whp over our V3 tune that we had released a year or two ago. As a company we are always working to better our product. If you look at the 63 tuning market you will see the same thing with the other tuners, numbers have improved since the origination of the files. (always do as we get more access to different maps etc)

        As far as us not being a "player in the market" I would like to disagree. We have tuned well over 400 63's (over 7000 customers total) and were the first tuner to bring the handheld tuning device to market as we worked closely with dimsport on the protocols.

        Weistec is a very strong tuner, but remember that they weren't always doing his tuning. It is extremely possible and perhaps probable that the car in question was tuned well over a year ago and is just now taking advantage of the changes in technology.

        I would also like to say that we are doing things no one else in the market is doing, on both the 63 and 55 platforms. A quick search will show you that when other tuners were having issues with some of the fastest mb's in the game, we were able to make better power in a matter of hours.

        You will also notice that I did in fact state that there HAS to be some DA/Tire/weather related help in that time difference.

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        +63. everybody knows what services you bring to the table. Anybody who follows Mercedes & AMG tuning know how well you guys re-caliberate ECUs.

        I for one believe the gains. I have seen my brother's NA SLS gain 34rwhp on a custom dyno tune. Therefore, it isnt impossible!

        Andy the loser, Dont be surprised if the ECU was tuned somewhere in a cheap garbage warehouse and wasnt actually sent to Weistec.


        If it were me Id proudly choose Eurocharged over MHP all Day without any regrets