• Fftec Motorsports N54 twin scroll top mount turbo manifold kit, $4950 - Too pricey?

      The N54 inline-6 turbo upgrade era is really now blossoming from stock housing options to a variety of aftermarket manifold and turbo solutions. Fftech originally worked on a bottom mount turbo manifold but it seems they have abandoned that setup in favor of a top mount turbo manifold now. This 'kit' includes everything you need to install an aftermarket turbo setup at $4950 but does not include an upgraded turbo making for a pricey manifold option.

      Fftec deserves whatever the market is willing to pay and there are not exactly a plethora of top mount off the shelf manifold options in the N54 world at this time. Will it sell? Absolutely.

      Why a top mount? Speculation by BimmerBoost members is that the bottom mount manifold required too much modification to the frame of the vehicle to fit. As a reminder, BimmerBoost vendors do have working bottom mount solutions for those not interested in a top mount for whatever reason (sleeper, heat in the engine bay, etc.).

      Picture and pricing info below.




      Included in this Kit:

      FFTEC Twin Scroll Top Mount Exhaust Manifold
      FFTEC Top Mount Downpipe
      FFTEC Lower Intercooler Pipe
      FFTEC CNC Coolant Pipe
      FFTEC Oil Feed and Drain Lines
      FFTEC Swirl Pot
      FFTEC Boost Control Solenoid
      FFTEC Valve Cover Heat Shield
      This article was originally published in forum thread: FFTEC Top mount twin scroll kit started by bmw335iguy View original post
      Comments 265 Comments
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mycoupe Click here to enlarge
        well, I'm gonna make 1500 whp out of mine as soon as it's possible. So, then what are you gonna do? I can play the unsubstantiated claim game too.
        Unlike you my posts are based in reality. You're dreaming about HP you'll never have. That's the difference.
      1. mycoupe's Avatar
        mycoupe -
        My post has as much fact in it as yours until you put out a dyno graph showing otherwise.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Unlike you my posts are based in reality. You're dreaming about HP you'll never have. That's the difference.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mycoupe Click here to enlarge
        My post has as much fact in it as yours until you put out a dyno graph showing otherwise.
        Have you taken a look at my graph or do you just spend all your time on this forum sending me pm's begging for rep points?
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Isn't the E9X record held by an SC M3 on stock internals running quicker times with less power? Food for thought.
        Fastest Stock Motor E9x 1/4 Mile Times:
        E92 M3 -- 1SickM 10.65 @ 131.79 MPH with an ESS-625 / DCT
        **Fastest E92 M3 6MT -- @prodigymb 11.94 @ 118.66 MPH ESS-600
        E92 335 -- Shiv 10.82 @ 131.99 MPH FFTEC ST (Unsure Turbo Size) / 6MT (Pre-Twin Scroll)

        Fastest Stock Motor E9x 60-130 Times:
        E92 M3 -- IFFY, here's why:

        • Fastest on M3P: Madsex343 6.16 ESS-600 / DCT -- This is faster than Drew's ESS-725 DCT & Izzy's ESS-726 6MT
        • Fastest that sounds legit on M3P: Mikewads 6.78 ESS-600 / DCT

        ​**Fastest E92 M3 6MT -- Izzy 7.52 ESS-600 / 6MT

        E92 335 -- Captain Insano 6.28 Vishnu ST (Twin Scroll 6466) / 6MT

        SO depends what record you're talking about, and it honestly isn't that impressive that a DCT'd M3 (with Launch Control) beat a 6MT 335. But when you put a 3rd pedal in both cars, the M3 is over a second slower in both the 1/4 mile and 60-130 times
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Obviously since we haven't seen a YSI on the stock internals, only built motors, that should probably tell you since you know it's Gintani I'm referring to that it's a T-Trim
        I would've expected the normal Vortech V3 Si

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Just sit there at 420 whp and watch what others are doing. Easy to type, isn't it?
        AND you call me a hater? Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        It isn't that impressive that car with whp in the 5XX range with a supercharger on a motor naturally aspirated from the factory has a quicker 1/4 mile time than one with a claimed 7XX and upgraded turbos? Lol wut?

        And the highest horsepower examples haven't even hit the track yet? What do you is going to happen? They will get slower?

        Damn are you going to look stupid but that is part of the fun.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        I would've expected the normal Vortech V3 Si


        AND you call me a hater? Click here to enlarge
        Guess you aren't familiar with how the kits differed in blower sizing back in the day but that's ok as I am.

        Yes you're the hater asking me for times with nothing of merit to show on your own (where are your slips again?) while I'm pushing a platform and you sit there at a level of hp on yours that high school girls in SoCal are running. It's easy to type like I said. It's also easy to neg rep every comment I make about being patient and positive rep anyone negative to me when you aren't doing anything even remotely difficult or interesting. Just keep reading.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It isn't that impressive that car with whp in the 5XX range with a supercharger on a motor naturally aspirated from the factory has a quicker 1/4 mile time than one with a claimed 7XX and upgraded turbos?
        The E9x M3 WR Holder dyno'd at 577 WHP while Shiv's WR Single Turbo setup was mid-600 WHP. For a car that has an additional 2,000 usable RPMs and a DCT, it's def not impressive that there was a less than .2 second difference in the ET and essentially the same ET, even with the ~70 WHP difference in power.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        The E9x M3 WR Holder dyno'd at 577 WHP while Shiv's WR Single Turbo setup was mid-600 WHP. For a car that has an additional 2,000 usable RPMs and a DCT, it's def not impressive that there was a less than .2 second difference in the ET and essentially the same ET (the N54 was faster, but we'll dismiss that)
        577 in an m3 equals record cool beans. What will another few hundred hp do? Yeah 10.6 with a low boost bolt on blower and quicker than anything turbocharged e9xs have done with more power is lame as hell. Can't make this stuff up.
      1. VargasTurboTech's Avatar
        VargasTurboTech -
        Here we go again, M3 vs 335 debate in every thread. WHO CARES. I thought this thread was about turbo kits for the 335? Not going back and forth about the merits of which platform certain people prefer?
      1. mycoupe's Avatar
        mycoupe -
        Arguing with Sticky is like trying to argue with a woman. No amount of logic, reason or factual data could ever prove to him that a "lesser" car is a better value to get to a certain power level. I've already proven that you can build a 335 with 35whp less than his car and more torque that will handle better, for less than his car cost bone stock.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        The E9x M3 WR Holder dyno'd at 577 WHP while Shiv's WR Single Turbo setup was mid-600 WHP. For a car that has an additional 2,000 usable RPMs and a DCT, it's def not impressive that there was a less than .2 second difference in the ET and essentially the same ET (the N54 was faster, but we'll dismiss that)
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Yes you're the hater asking me for times with nothing of merit to show on your own (where are your slips again?)
        You don't see me bragging about how fast my car is and $#@!ting on every other forum member. My car is a DD, and no I've never been to the track cause I've never had the time/interest -- Atco is the closest & it's ~2 hours away in 1 direction. I'd like to attend DOR and get some times, but we'll see what happens.


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It's also easy to neg rep every comment I make about being patient and positive rep anyone negative to me when you aren't doing anything even remotely difficult or interesting. Just keep reading.
        I thought you were a member & not a moderator on this forum..... And wouldn't only a moderator have access to knowing who I positive repped & who I negged?? Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        You can't brag about your car because it is weak. Nobody expects you to as it would be embarrassing. If that was my whp I'd only list it in my sig on a forum nobody here read.

        Holy $#@! I must be the administrator. Stunning revelation. It's just amusing to me to see your pattern of rep that blatantly shows how bitter and angry you are. Maybe appreciate people doing what you can't? Kind of boring if we all just called it quits at grocery getter levels right?

        Now either buy this manifold and do something interesting to where you can brag or STFU. Hit a strip. Do something for gods sake instead of whining about those who have and are.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mycoupe Click here to enlarge
        Arguing with Sticky is like trying to argue with a woman. No amount of logic, reason or factual data could ever prove to him that a "lesser" car is a better value to get to a certain power level. I've already proven that you can build a 335 with 35whp less than his car and more torque that will handle better, for less than his car cost bone stock.
        So talking about this aftermarket manifold and its pricing is somehow the same as tuning a factory turbo car to beat stock m3's? And you're telling me about logic or facts? What's the topic here again?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
        Here we go again, M3 vs 335 debate in every thread. WHO CARES. I thought this thread was about turbo kits for the 335? Not going back and forth about the merits of which platform certain people prefer?
        This is as natural as salmon swimming upstream. I'm honestly just sitting in my tub enjoying this. Y so serious?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Hugs, kisses, and rep for everyone.
      1. Sered's Avatar
        Sered -
        All this whining makes me want to dump this platform and switch to an M3 or M6. Ugh.
      1. mycoupe's Avatar
        mycoupe -
        The topic that was brought up in this thread...what is the cost to get a 335 e46 m and e9x m to 700 +Whp. So far, the 335 is the least expensive by a good margin.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        So talking about this aftermarket manifold and its pricing is somehow the same as tuning a factory turbo car to beat stock m3's? And you're telling me about logic or facts? What's the topic here again?
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mycoupe Click here to enlarge
        The topic that was brought up in this thread...what is the cost to get a 335 e46 m and e9x m to 700 +Whp. So far, the 335 is the least expensive by a good margin.
        EHhhhhh..... the 335 & E46 M3 are close with each other (so long as both are 6MTs), and you can nitpick back and forth, but the E9x M3 is still the most expensive to mod vs. the performance achieved. A 335 is going to need LOTS of non-engine mods (Coilovers/LSD/Brakes), but the ideal turbo E46 M3 kit would involve a standalone like the ProEFI and an E85 fuel system.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mycoupe Click here to enlarge
        The topic that was brought up in this thread...what is the cost to get a 335 e46 m and e9x m to 700 +Whp. So far, the 335 is the least expensive by a good margin.
        Yes we can all make a list of what it costs to get what where.

        Now do you want to do it reliably?

        Ok, 700 whp is going to make the most sense with the E46 M3. Why? Well, you have an iron block. Additionally, you aren't going to face the fueling issues of the N54. 700 whp with E85 on the N54? Can you do that? Nope. What happens when you need more fuel down low? You're stuck.

        The E46 M3 is figured out and has more headroom.

        This is all part of a process. It will come along. This is a step forward. But oh let's all get cranky when costs start adding up and suddenly, gosh, it isn't a value platform and it isn't even ready for 7XX showtime yet. It will come but keep your pants on.

        Additionally, from your earlier comment, I'm way closer to 1500 hp than you will ever be.

        If you want to tally up costs and parts for each platform to get to 700+ go ahead. But none of them are going to look like a value once you're done. If you want that, go domestic.