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    • Fftec Motorsports N54 twin scroll top mount turbo manifold kit, $4950 - Too pricey?

      The N54 inline-6 turbo upgrade era is really now blossoming from stock housing options to a variety of aftermarket manifold and turbo solutions. Fftech originally worked on a bottom mount turbo manifold but it seems they have abandoned that setup in favor of a top mount turbo manifold now. This 'kit' includes everything you need to install an aftermarket turbo setup at $4950 but does not include an upgraded turbo making for a pricey manifold option.

      Fftec deserves whatever the market is willing to pay and there are not exactly a plethora of top mount off the shelf manifold options in the N54 world at this time. Will it sell? Absolutely.

      Why a top mount? Speculation by BimmerBoost members is that the bottom mount manifold required too much modification to the frame of the vehicle to fit. As a reminder, BimmerBoost vendors do have working bottom mount solutions for those not interested in a top mount for whatever reason (sleeper, heat in the engine bay, etc.).

      Picture and pricing info below.




      Included in this Kit:

      FFTEC Twin Scroll Top Mount Exhaust Manifold
      FFTEC Top Mount Downpipe
      FFTEC Lower Intercooler Pipe
      FFTEC CNC Coolant Pipe
      FFTEC Oil Feed and Drain Lines
      FFTEC Swirl Pot
      FFTEC Boost Control Solenoid
      FFTEC Valve Cover Heat Shield
      This article was originally published in forum thread: FFTEC Top mount twin scroll kit started by bmw335iguy View original post
      Comments 265 Comments
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
        LOL. me either. I"m supposed to be working. haha. oh nevermind, i have some free time with this gov't shutdown. oh wait, i need to be doing some logging on the EVO. $#@!. i never get to relax either haha
        I just put together an awesome Mercedes article.

        Anyway, time to workout, then eat lunch, then work on gmboost, chevyboost, buickboost, etc.
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        E46 M3 - the Maximum PSI Stage 2 with E85 or MS109 is around 700 whp yes at about $15,000 installed..... amirite ?
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I just put together an awesome Mercedes article.

        Anyway, time to workout, then eat lunch, then work on gmboost, chevyboost, buickboost, etc.

        Chevy boost must be fun with that new workout by HPE (?) for the C7, 1000 whp upgrade will be so sick
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        yes, i think that would be a good route for the e46 700hp kit. is that it for supporting mods needed? i'm certainly no e46 expert. are you volunteering to work on the e46 list? lol

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
        E46 M3 - the Maximum PSI Stage 2 with E85 or MS109 is around 700 whp yes at about $15,000 installed..... amirite ?
      1. chrisisnapping's Avatar
        chrisisnapping -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
        I'm doing a custom twin scroll setup top mount @Terry@BMS. 6766 is what I'm looking at or a gtx42. Idk if you're familiar with DEEDS Performance, but they're helping me up with the kit. Top mount t4 TS with 4" exhaust all the way through. Looking maybe to make a production kit for only hardware around 3k. So Terry I'll need your help with tuning cause JB4 is the only way to go...
        does your 3k figure include a turbo? I see no way you're doing manifold, wastegate, turbo, intake plumbing, downpipe and cold side intercooler piping for 3k.

        then again, i operate in the world of sky high prices for mods.. thanks Obam..i mean APR.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        even if you went with a cheap turbo like precision, a big precision JB with a big EWG would be $1750 alone.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by chrisisnapping Click here to enlarge
        does your 3k figure include a turbo? I see no way you're doing manifold, wastegate, turbo, intake plumbing, downpipe and cold side intercooler piping for 3k.

        then again, i operate in the world of sky high prices for mods.. thanks Obam..i mean APR.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        you start talking about BW, FP or GTX and you're talking $2k just for turbo
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
        yes, i think that would be a good route for the e46 700hp kit. is that it for supporting mods needed? i'm certainly no e46 expert. are you volunteering to work on the e46 list? lol

        I am learning (quickly) as I go along but if you want I'll give it a whirl..... I have some costing from AA, VAC, Max PSI but you need to understand I may miss many things like bearing upgrades etc... will see if I can do a spreadsheet over the next few days
      1. Torgus's Avatar
        Torgus -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
        Well, while I somewhat agree, VTT has also posted 726HP numbers. I guess the question is which one is cheaper and which one do we want to use? We could use the VTT ST3 with the Cobb tune and aquamist meth kit. that would prob be much more popular on this site LOL. either way is fine as both have 700HP dyno sheets.
        VTT 8k for the kit, $450 for JB4, $175 for BBFlash, $450 intercooler, $550 aqua mist, $500 Tony HPFP upgrade, $200 walbro lpfp upgrade, am I missing anything?

        I think both kits will end up being about the same cost give or take.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        i say we go retail prices to keep more variables out of the equation. pretty sure that aquamist kit is much more than $550 new. other than that the VTT ST3 is pretty complete. i think that's all

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
        VTT 8k for the kit, $450 for JB4, $175 for BBFlash, $450 intercooler, $550 aqua mist, $500 Tony HPFP upgrade, $200 walbro lpfp upgrade, am I missing anything?

        I think both kits will end up being about the same cost give or take.
      1. mycoupe's Avatar
        mycoupe -
        I paid ~$8k for my vff900 kit, $900 for ic, ~$1k for cp, bov and meth kit, ~$450 for fuel pump upgrade and ~$750 for process piggy. That's all that is needed for 700+who. So, ~$11,100 for necessary moss to MAKE 700whp. Then add the 40-45k the car was new, and I am still lower than the cost of a new e9x M3.
      1. mycoupe's Avatar
        mycoupe -
        Oh, and just over $1700 for exhaust. Still less than stock M3 new.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        this is true but then the M3 crowd will say that your handling sucks and your suspension needs to be upgraded for it to be compared with an M3. Then we add that to the list and show that a fully modded 335i with 700HP and proper suspension still costs $XXX less than a similarly modded M3.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mycoupe Click here to enlarge
        I paid ~$8k for my vff900 kit, $900 for ic, ~$1k for cp, bov and meth kit, ~$450 for fuel pump upgrade and ~$750 for process piggy. That's all that is needed for 700+who. So, ~$11,100 for necessary moss to MAKE 700whp. Then add the 40-45k the car was new, and I am still lower than the cost of a new e9x M3.
      1. Ak335i's Avatar
        Ak335i -
        Lol
      1. Torgus's Avatar
        Torgus -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ak335i Click here to enlarge
        Lol
        Just because yours was 1/3 the cost it doesn't count! It isn't available for retail sale Click here to enlarge
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Are we including redoing bearings, chassis, subframe support, exhaust, headers yada yada yada for the HUMUNGOUS power
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        E46 BMW M3 (2005 model) expected cost to SAFELY support and get to 700 whp

        Supercharger route - Active Autowerke with some upgrades

        Exhaust and headers - $3500 installed
        Stage 2 supercharger kit - $13,500 installed to get to 600 crank hp
        HKS GTS8550 Supercharger
        Active Autowerke New Gen. 7 Intake Manifold w/ Dual By Pass Valve
        Active Autowerke RAM AIR intake through foglight
        Active Autowerke air filter heat shield
        Large Stage 2 Front Mount Air to Air Intercooler
        Turbo like speed with linear power delivery
        Active Autowerke Methanol Injection System
        Large Fuel Injectors
        Upgraded Fuel System with LARGER fuel Lines for increase flow rate, CNC machined Fuel Rail, Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator with liquid filled gauge, HI-Volume Walbro inline fuel pump, etc.
        Supercharger Oil Cooler
        Colder Heat Range Iridium Spark Plugs
        High Performance AA Spec Green Filter
        Active Autowerke High Performance Software
        Software cable included for DIY remote software uploading
        All Mounting Hardware, plumbing, hoses and clamps
        Increases to 750-780 crank hp (700whp) at 15-17 psi, pulleys, redo bearings, performance thermostat, upgrade clutch approx $3000 - $5000

        Missing a few things but we are looking at $20,000 minimum retail approx
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by chrisisnapping Click here to enlarge
        does your 3k figure include a turbo? I see no way you're doing manifold, wastegate, turbo, intake plumbing, downpipe and cold side intercooler piping for 3k.

        then again, i operate in the world of sky high prices for mods.. thanks Obam..i mean APR.

        No turbo, hardware only. It will be the same thing pretty much as the FFTEC it wont come with wastegates or turbo. It will be manifold, downpipe and intercooler plumbing. Intake will be filter on turbo cause it's a top mount. Honestly not too many things that's hard here. We already know where to do the 02 sensor placement, he just needs my car now to do all of it.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        you need to change that sig Click here to enlarge

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
        No turbo, hardware only. It will be the same thing pretty much as the FFTEC it wont come with wastegates or turbo. It will be manifold, downpipe and intercooler plumbing. Intake will be filter on turbo cause it's a top mount. Honestly not too many things that's hard here. We already know where to do the 02 sensor placement, he just needs my car now to do all of it.
      1. Torgus's Avatar
        Torgus -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
        E46 BMW M3 (2005 model) expected cost to SAFELY support and get to 700 whp

        Supercharger route - Active Autowerke with some upgrades

        Exhaust and headers - $3500 installed
        Stage 2 supercharger kit - $13,500 installed to get to 600 crank hp
        HKS GTS8550 Supercharger
        Active Autowerke New Gen. 7 Intake Manifold w/ Dual By Pass Valve
        Active Autowerke RAM AIR intake through foglight
        Active Autowerke air filter heat shield
        Large Stage 2 Front Mount Air to Air Intercooler
        Turbo like speed with linear power delivery
        Active Autowerke Methanol Injection System
        Large Fuel Injectors
        Upgraded Fuel System with LARGER fuel Lines for increase flow rate, CNC machined Fuel Rail, Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator with liquid filled gauge, HI-Volume Walbro inline fuel pump, etc.
        Supercharger Oil Cooler
        Colder Heat Range Iridium Spark Plugs
        High Performance AA Spec Green Filter
        Active Autowerke High Performance Software
        Software cable included for DIY remote software uploading
        All Mounting Hardware, plumbing, hoses and clamps
        Increases to 750-780 crank hp (700whp) at 15-17 psi, pulleys, redo bearings, performance thermostat, upgrade clutch approx $3000 - $5000

        Missing a few things but we are looking at $20,000 minimum retail approx

        We are purely talking engine mods to hit 700whp. Just pretend the stock clutch and wheels can hold the power. The costs of clutches and tires are going to be about the same for the different cars unless I am mistaken. No built engine costs unless the stock grenades at 700whp even then lets show the power adders cost and then the built engine cost.